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[Shroob]

Yeah, and we'd still only have two turtles if they focused on remaking every single veteran.

Smash fans realize why "everyone is here" is a rarity in fighting games challenge

Smash is still able to strike a happy medium when there are cuts though. Like, I'm not deluded enough to think that the next Smash will top Ultimate roster-size unless Sakurai pulls off some insane magic, but most fighting games tend to go up in roster count over time.

NASB2's roster is....almost the exact same size as 1's, with the caveat of half the original cast being gone.

 

[Noipoi]

I understand cuts just fine, and I can make my peace with them. It’s just the specific characters who were cut baffle me.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean I get why characters were cut, but I think what people have an issue with are the characters that got in instead. Like this is Nick ALL STAR Brawl, and a lot of the cut characters are what I define as Nickelodeon All Star line up, especially when some pillars of Nicks early days are straight up vaporized like CatDog

But characters like the other two Turtles and Lincoln??? Not a character like Lucy?

That's what I'm not getting at.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I mean I get why characters were cut, but I think what people have an issue with are the characters that got in instead. Like this is Nick ALL STAR Brawl, and a lot of the cut characters are what I define as Nickelodeon All Star line up, especially when some pillars of Nicks early days are straight up vaporized like CatDog

At the same time, you could say that Squidward, Plankton, Jimmy Neutron, and the Beavers also belong in a game with that name, and if we couldn't get them because they were focused on remaking everyone, there would still be complaints about those characters being missing. It's a double edged sword.

 

[TheMightyP]

Spoiler: Nick nick nick nick-nick nick nick, Nickelodeon

Shame Sandy was cut because this would have been a perfect super

 

[Wario Bros.]

I will probably quit my job by the end of this year.

I'm feeling like that it might be enough for me.

 

[Shroob]

At the same time, you could say that Squidward, Plankton, Jimmy Neutron, and the Beavers also belong in a game with that name, and if we couldn't get them because they were focused on remaking everyone, there would still be complaints about those characters being missing. It's a double edged sword.

Nasb1 has what, 25 characters?

With the cuts, that makes it 14. I don't remember how many newcomers were leaked but you're getting a sequel to a game with barely any increase.


Just like nasb1, gameplay isn't gonna save this game. People like platform fighters due to the selection of scrimblos. I appreciate them making the game less jank, but I fear this game's gonna be DoA.

 

[TheMightyP]

At the same time, you could say that Squidward, Plankton, Jimmy Neutron, and the Beavers also belong in a game with that name, and if we couldn't get them because they were focused on remaking everyone, there would still be complaints about those characters being missing. It's a double edged sword.

Fair but looking at the leaked roster, I see 4 characters that really shouldn't be top priotity over who got cut, and tbh I would have kept Sandy over Squidward and Toph over Azula

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nasb1 has what, 25 characters?

With the cuts, that makes it 14. I don't remember how many newcomers were leaked but you're getting a sequel to a game with barely any increase.


Just like nasb1, gameplay isn't gonna save this game. People like platform fighters due to the selection of scrimblos. I appreciate them making the game less jank, but I fear this game's gonna be DoA.

Well it can either be dead because it still didn't add Jimmy, or dead because no playable Hugh. Pick your poison.

 

[Shroob]

Well it can either be dead because it still didn't add Jimmy, or dead because no playable Hugh. Pick your poison.

Nasb1 didn't die because of no Jimmy. It died because it launched in a horrible state that caused the player count to drop off a cliff. I watched the declining player numbers fall, and it was double digits only a couple of months after release, which, yikes.

 

[TheMightyP]

Nasb1 didn't die because of no Jimmy. It died because it launched in a horrible state that caused the player count to drop off a cliff. I watched the declining player numbers fall, and it was double digits only a couple of months after release, which, yikes.

Also $50 on launch for a shovelware tier game.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nasb1 didn't die because of no Jimmy. It died because it launched in a horrible state that caused the player count to drop off a cliff. I watched the declining player numbers fall, and it was double digits only a couple of months after release, which, yikes.

I was kind of joking when I said that anyway. I was really trying to say if they didn't cut anyone, the base game would only have 1 newcomer at best, like I've been trying to say.

NASB1+DLC=25 characters
Leaked NASB2 roster=26 characters

 

[cashregister9]

All of these emails, acquisitions and teraflops and the Xbox still has no games

 

[TheMightyP]

All of these emails, acquisitions and teraflops and the Xbox still has no games

Wrong, it has The Game

 

[Guynamednelson]

I was kind of joking when I said that anyway. I was really trying to say if they didn't cut anyone, the base game would only have 1 newcomer at best, like I've been trying to say.

NASB1+DLC=25 characters
Leaked NASB2 roster=26 characters

Alternatively, they could've not scrapped all their work from NASB1 and keep the gameplay virtually identical thus making it easier to bring back veterans without sacrificing newcomers...but then there would still be complaints about the game looking janky and Aang still not showcasing the other elements.

 

[Knight Dude]

Spider-Man 2 and Mario Wonder come out on the same day. When I found that out, I had to cook this up right quick.

Their games release the same day. #SpiderMan2PS5 #SUPERMARIOWONDER pic.twitter.com/vUxmuqXq0X

— KnightLineArt (2/5 COMMS OPEN) (@KnightLineArt) September 19, 2023

Still got a little bit more new art for this week as well. But I'm working on expanding my TeePublic store more in October, so I'm busy working on that!

 

[Batkelley]

When you think about it, isn't this whole situation with NASB kind of similar to what some people are asking for in terms of a Smash reboot?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Spider-Man 2 and Mario Wonder come out on the same day. When I found that out, I had to cook this up right quick.

Their games release the same day. #SpiderMan2PS5 #SUPERMARIOWONDER pic.twitter.com/vUxmuqXq0X

— KnightLineArt (2/5 COMMS OPEN) (@KnightLineArt) September 19, 2023

Still got a little bit more new art for this week as well. But I'm working on expanding my TeePublic store more in October, so I'm busy working on that!

Something tells me that's gonna be the new DOOM/Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

 

[Shroob]

Alternatively, they could've not scrapped all their work from NASB1 and keep the gameplay virtually identical thus making it easier to bring back veterans without sacrificing newcomers...but then there would still be complaints about the game looking janky and Aang still not showcasing the other elements.

I don't mind that they changed the battle system.

The issue is always going to be the cut choices. Again, what they did to tmnt is nonsensical.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't mind that they changed the battle system.

The issue is always going to be the cut choices. Again, what they did to tmnt is nonsensical.

And Lincoln. I don't really care for the show (The Loudcest keeps me away from it) but being Nick's second biggest cash cow after Spongebob and being the protag. It feels like if Link was cut out of Smash. Why keep Lucy but cut Lincoln? It would had made more sense if it was the other way around.

 

[CannonStreak]

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they really want Nintendo badly

Boy, by the looks of it, Microsoft must be desperate to buy Nintendo.

Have they brought a Japanese game company before?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ha, ha, ha, ha as if the Japanese government would ever allow that to happen.

Like Godzilla. Nintendo is a crucial cultural part of media for Japan.

 

[TheMightyP]

Scrapping all work done priorhand on a budget sequel is a terrible idea. Heck, throwing out all work in general for making a sequel from the ground up is a terrible idea, unless you know you have the budget to do that.

 

[CannonStreak]

Ha, ha, ha, ha as if the Japanese government would ever allow that to happen.

Like Godzilla. Nintendo is a crucial cultural media of Japan.

Not to mention, but correct me if I am wrong, I don’t think American work culture and Japanese work culture would go well together if you know what I mean. The philosophies of Nintendo and Microsoft are probably not well compatible, too.

 

[SneakyLink]

Boy, by the looks of it, Microsoft must be desperate to buy Nintendo.

Have they brought a Japanese game company before?

Does Tango Gameworks count? It is technically under the Bethesda umbrella…

Also, no way Nintendo will allow themselves to be bought. Remember they laughed hard at Microsoft the first time around.

 

[Shroob]

Piranha Plant is funny.

The juxtaposition of a random enemy no one gives a second thought to being in the same game as some of the biggest gaming icons is funny.

It's not a joke everyone will find funny, but a little wacky never hurts.

Never go full wacky though. No one is happy with full wacky.

 

[TheMightyP]

When you think about it, isn't this whole situation with NASB kind of similar to what some people are asking for in terms of a Smash reboot?

Yes, and it the cuts are gonna suck as well. However, what makes Smash different is that though they did cuts twice, they have a solid basis with the core characters, where you can understand some characters were low priority. Here, the cuts don't make sense given that plenty of them are very popular Nickelodeon stars, as opposed to a B-Tier Fire Emblem character or a C-Tier Nintendo Villian.

 

[Shroob]

Yes, and it the cuts are gonna suck as well. However, what makes Smash different is that though they did cuts twice, they have a solid basis with the core characters, where you can understand some characters were low priority. Here, the cuts don't make sense given that plenty of them are very popular Nickelodeon stars, as opposed to a B-Tier Fire Emblem character or a C-Tier Nintendo Villian.

Honestly, Smash's cuts have always made sense when you think about it.

Melee to Brawl? All the clones and Mewtwo who was an unfortunate victim of time restraints. We even know that he, Roy, and Dr.Mario were being worked on to come back.

Brawl to Smash 4? Icies due to technical limitations of the 3DS and Snake due to Konami being in a bad spot. Lucas was cut out to put in as DLC, and Wolf was a super last minute addition to Brawl.

These all make sense. Even Mewtwo's Brawl cut makes sense when you realize they were going to put him in.


Nasb2 cuts make zero sense.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nasb2 cuts make zero sense.

Well yeah but would you rather have only one newcomer? Because that's what you'd get if they remade everyone. Still no Jimmy, still don't have all four Turtles, etc.

 

[Shroob]

Well yeah but would you rather have only one newcomer? Because that's what you'd get if they remade everyone. Still no Jimmy, still don't have all four Turtles, etc.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't have remade the game from the ground up and redone everything.

Nasb is JANK, but all it needed was some polish to make it feel better.


They threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now no one's happy really.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Personally speaking, I wouldn't have remade the game from the ground up and redone everything.

Nasb is JANK, but all it needed was some polish to make it feel better.


They threw the baby out with the bathwater, and now no one's happy really.

In hindsight, that probably would be for the better. I was hoping at best they'd reanimate Danny's face, and remake any duplicate ground/air normals. Even with the lack of water/fire/earthbending I thought Aang was fine for example.

 

[TheMightyP]

Honestly, Smash's cuts have always made sense when you think about it.

Melee to Brawl? All the clones and Mewtwo who was an unfortunate victim of time restraints. We even know that he, Roy, and Dr.Mario were being worked on to come back.

Brawl to Smash 4? Icies due to technical limitations of the 3DS and Snake due to Konami being in a bad spot. Lucas was cut out to put in as DLC, and Wolf was a super last minute addition to Brawl.

These all make sense. Even Mewtwo's Brawl cut makes sense when you realize they were going to put him in.


Nasb2 cuts make zero sense.

Even then the only one that was 100% controversial was Mewtwo simply because, imo, he was the only A-List Nintendo star to get cut throughout the entire series.

Now Nick's issue is that they don't have a solid foundation for a roster. Street Fighter (minus the 3 series) uses SF2's roster for a base, Smash keeps 64's (and at this point, Melee's) roster as a solid starting point. Here, there is none, it's just all over the place on who gets in and who doesn't.

 

[ZephyrZ]

They could have still made some cuts without deleting Catdog, turtles, or heck even Lincoln.. That would still probably mean less newcomers but it's not all or nothing.

I also imagine the new Story Mode might also have effected the roster size.

I still think NASB2 looks like a huge upgrade from the original but if the player base isn't there then I still might not pick it up. But I'm also biased because my most played characters - Reptar and Korra - are both returning.

 

[Noipoi]

Nick Brawl fans when they see the cuts (Catdog will no longer make Diddy Kong look like a joke)

 

[CannonStreak]

Get ready.

They say trouble comes in threes. Tune in tomorrow for a special animated prologue to Sonic Superstars! pic.twitter.com/fF3zTopOkW

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) September 19, 2023

An animated prologue for Sonic Superstars is coming tomorrow.

 

[TheMightyP]

That said, NASB2 seems tio ave the same issue with the first for me, and that's... I don't think any of the characters appeal to me. As for why, from what I seen, they all once again fall under the same archetype as rushdown combo machines aside from Plankton who we all know will be bottom tier. Like I get they want to appeal to Melee fans like HARD, but even then Melee had some diversity in it's playstyle (even if it didn't pan out for some characters).

 

[Guynamednelson]

That said, NASB2 seems tio ave the same issue with the first for me, and that's... I don't think any of the characters appeal to me. As for why, from what I seen, they all once again fall under the same archetype as rushdown combo machines aside from Plankton who we all know will be bottom tier. Like I get they want to appeal to Melee fans like HARD, but even then Melee had some diversity in it's playstyle (even if it didn't pan out for some characters).

The NASB fanbase thinks they've been trying better to diversify the playstyles, actually. Like Raph is truly the only one who feels like a NASB1 character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's a shame that NASB cannot have a break cause 2 looks to be much, MUCH better than the first game in everything other than the cuts, I'm stuck in the same position as last time, wishing for the best though I might not get it this time

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Nintendo fans could see a deer **** in the wood and automatickly think it relates to "switch 2"

 

[Noipoi]

Nintendo fans could see a deer **** in the wood and automatickly think it relates to "switch 2"

A male deer is known as a buck.
Bucks can be a way to refer to dollars.
The Nintendo Switch 2 will most likely retail for 299-399$ dollars.