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[SnakeFighter64]

Right.

But the unsympathetic villains I write? They tend to get killed off in the end, because I'm of the strong belief that reforming them wouldn't work. There's exceptions sure, I've written my fair share of "I want to conquer/destroy the world!" characters, and they usually end on the chopping block.


I'm joining this convo late, so I don't have full context of the discussion at hand, but I'm of the belief that in regards to comic books, we've had what, 90~ years of evidence that reforming comic book baddies has a success rate of like, 2%? I'm not saying that heroes should be killing their baddies, but at the same time, reforming them almost never works either, because at the end of the day, things more or less have to return to the status quo.

OK. But that's where the disconnect comes at the end. You can't bend that ever burning moral code that you should never take a life no matter what because of a trope of writing. That's essentially the same as IRL us advocating for killing all criminals because god is eventually gonna let them out. They have no idea in the world of the story that these villains are gonna keep getting out. Because in universe they have no reason not to. And I suppose it's fine if you limit thinking like that to fictional worlds, I will disagree with you, but it's fine I guess. But the problem comes when people start thinking that's how we should act in the real world. Which is especially problematic when we're placing this behavior in the minds of our heroes, our great and powerful icons who we should all aspire to be like.

Basically, that's my worry. I worry that these kinds of tropes is both A): Problematically indicitive of how the creators would want to see similar situations handled IRL, and B): will start causing people to seriously believe that this behavior is right and just.

And to think this all started with me hating the fact that the Snyder Cut exists.

 

[Shroob]

OK. But that's where the disconnect comes at the end. You can't bend that ever burning moral code that you should never take a life no matter what because of a trope of writing. That's essentially the same as IRL us advocating for killing all criminals because god is eventually gonna let them out. They have no idea in the world of the story that these villains are gonna keep getting out. Because in universe they have no reason not to. And I suppose it's fine if you limit thinking like that to fictional worlds, I will disagree with you, but it's fine I guess. But the problem comes when people start thinking that's how we should act in the real world. Which is especially problematic when we're placing this behavior in the minds of our heroes, our great and powerful icons who we should all aspire to be like.

Basically, that's my worry. I worry that these kinds of tropes is both A): Problematically indicitive of how the creators would want to see similar situations handled IRL, and B): will start causing people to seriously believe that this behavior is right and just.

And to think this all started with me hating the fact that the Snyder Cut exists.

I think you put a LOT of weight on comic books to be honest. No offense Snake, but this is the same kinda mindset soccer moms had that cause the video game panic of the early 2000's that video games caused violence, and like, I'm pretty sure nowadays more kids play stuff like GTA and COD than they do read comic books. That's my opinion though.


And I mean, sure, in universe I get it, but at what point does Batman look at himself and say "Ya know? Maybe... Arkham isn't a good place to send people after all." AT LEAST send them to Blackgate ffs.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

OK. Let's just ignore all of that superhero talk so i can take a victory lap because I GOT THE LAST FLASHBACK TAPE!!!! Finally! It took me two whole days to beat that level in Crash 4 without dying to get it! I'm so hyped and thrilled and relieved!

 

[Shroob]

Speaking of Crash 4....


Apparently first week in Japan, the Switch version sold.... under 2500 copies.


...oof.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Speaking of Crash 4....


Apparently first week in Japan, the Switch version sold.... under 2500 copies.


...oof.

does that count digital sales? Cause Crash has been historically very popular in Japan.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I think you put a LOT of weight on comic books to be honest. No offense Snake, but this is the same kinda mindset soccer moms had that cause the video game panic of the early 2000's that video games caused violence, and like, I'm pretty sure nowadays more kids play stuff like GTA and COD than they do read comic books. That's my opinion though.


And I mean, sure, in universe I get it, but at what point does Batman look at himself and say "Ya know? Maybe... Arkham isn't a good place to send people after all." AT LEAST send them to Blackgate ffs.

hell Batman is living in a world where he’s no longer the richest person in DC...and was actually never the richest cause of Alfred being richer

 

[AndresSSB]

I'm just thinking here, but we use 3rd party/ 1st party to describe video game characters in relation to their companies. What would a 2nd party character be?

 

[Shroob]

does that count digital sales? Cause Crash has been historically very popular in Japan.

Crash honestly has had a really rough revival time in Japan from the looks of things.

N.Sane trilogy barely broke 100k over there, and Crash 4 not being in the last Direct seemingly has had a HUGE impact on its sales. And yes, that's counting digital afaik.

 

[Ben Holt]

So umm... my Link statue arrives Saturday.

I can't decide if my next one should be Luigi, Spyro, or Doom Slayer.

Spoiler: Luigi

Spoiler: Spyro

Spoiler: Doom Slayer

 

[Aurane]

Yeah about that whole, "being adult" thing... still up. Lmao

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm just thinking here, but we use 3rd party/ 1st party to describe video game characters in relation to their companies. What would a 2nd party character be?

A 2nd Party character is a character owned by a company that is owned by Nintendo.
Shulk is owned by Monolith Soft, and Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo, so Shulk is 2nd Party.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

y’all should totally watch Young Rock...totally a polite demand

 

[osby]

I'm just thinking here, but we use 3rd party/ 1st party to describe video game characters in relation to their companies. What would a 2nd party character be?

Characters created by Nintendo subsidiaries, like Intelligent Systems or Monolith Soft.

 

[Zinith]

Technically 2nd party would be us, the buyers. So an even crazier speculation would be which assumingly real life Nintendo fan would get into Smash? Robin Williams anyone?

 

[Ben Holt]

Technically 2nd party would be us, the buyers. So an even crazier speculation would be which assumingly real life Nintendo fan would get into Smash? Robin Williams anyone?

That's incorrect. In conversation, second party is the listener. In literature, second party is the reader.
But a second party studio is a studio owned by the first party. Retro, Monolith Soft, GameFreak, Creatures Inc., etc.
Rare is a second party of Microsoft, but a third party to Nintendo.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Crash honestly has had a really rough revival time in Japan from the looks of things.

N.Sane trilogy barely broke 100k over there, and Crash 4 not being in the last Direct seemingly has had a HUGE impact on its sales. And yes, that's counting digital afaik.

Well that... sucks. I wonder if that will affect his Smash chances.

 

[Shroob]

Well that... sucks. I wonder if that will affect his Smash chances.

No, if Crash is in Smash, they worked out his rights ages ago.

What IS weird is that Nintendo wouldn't give Crash 4 a spot in the last Direct.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

No, if Crash is in Smash, they worked out his rights ages ago.

What IS weird is that Nintendo wouldn't give Crash 4 a spot in the last Direct.

Let's hope so then. I really want him in.

 

[Ben Holt]

Well that... sucks. I wonder if that will affect his Smash chances.

Well, if he's in Fighter's Pass Volume 2, then it was decided well before Crash 4.
Probably just poor marketing. The Crash Trilogy was the first Western video game IP to get popular in Japan, but Sony, a Japanese company, published it. Now it's all Activision.

 

[Shroob]

Anyway gimme a Yakuza rep.


Friend's been streaming Yakuza 7 and I(Already knew I would like it), but I really like this series.

 

[cashregister9]

On the Crash situation, Early financial reports rarely include Digital sales at the start. Big Crash fans already bought it on PS4 and if sales truly dictated what characters got in then Terry probably wouldn't be here. also as Shroob mentioned if Crash got in he would have been negotiated a while ago.

 

[AndresSSB]

On the Crash situation, Early financial reports rarely include Digital sales at the start. Big Crash fans already bought it on PS4 and if sales truly dictated what characters got in then Terry probably wouldn't be here. also as Shroob mentioned if Crash got in he would have been negotiated a while ago.

I thought Terry inclusion was also a slight promo for KOF XV

 

[Noipoi]

Technically 2nd party would be us, the buyers. So an even crazier speculation would be which assumingly real life Nintendo fan would get into Smash? Robin Williams anyone?

If they don’t reveal Guy Fieri in the next direct, FP2 is ****.

 

[Shroob]

If they don’t reveal Guy Fieri in the next direct, FP2 is ****.

"YE. RITE 'ERE ON SUPER SMASH, BASH, AND THRASH BROTHERS."

 

[Ben Holt]

If they don’t reveal Guy Fieri in the next direct, FP2 is ****.

Mii Fighters.

 

[cashregister9]

I thought Terry inclusion was also a slight promo for KOF XV

I highly doubt that

First off the game wouldn't even be announced for another few months after Terry's reveal. And the game hasn't even been confirmed to be getting a Switch release yet. And Terry was negotiated sometime before the first fighter's pass was revealed.

Terry was added because KOF and FF were popular and were iconic. (Also they supported the switch really early on)

Or it was behind the scenes and I'm just wrong

 

[Noipoi]

Mii Fighters.

If the King of Flavortown gets costumed I will cry.

After Obama’s mii brawler I can’t take anymore losses.

 

[Shroob]

I highly doubt that

First off the game wouldn't even be announced for another few months after Terry's reveal. And the game hasn't even been confirmed to be getting a Switch release yet. And Terry was negotiated sometime before the first fighter's pass was revealed.

Terry was added because KOF and FF were popular and were iconic.

Or it was behind the scenes and I'm just wrong

I mean, probably didn't hurt that SNK was one of the early adopters to the Switch and dumped a TON of their titles on the Eshop.

 

[osby]

I mean, probably didn't hurt that SNK was one of the early adopters to the Switch and dumped a TON of their titles on the Eshop.

Having a game on Switch didn't hurt either.

Like, I doubt Nintendo is just throwing darts at Switch releases to decide which characters to add, and "Joker was added to promote P5S" is dumb but I'm going to be surprised if the last two characters don't follow the trend.

 

[Shroob]

Having a game on Switch didn't hurt either.

Like, I doubt Nintendo is just throwing darts at Switch releases to decide which characters to add, and "Joker was added to promote P5S" is dumb but I'm going to be surprised if the last two characters don't follow the trend.

Wait has every character we've gotten except Banjo had a game on Switch?

Well then.

 

[Ben Holt]

Wait has every character we've gotten except Banjo had a game on Switch?

Well then.

Joker didn't until after his inclusion in Smash.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Anyway gimme a Yakuza rep.


Friend's been streaming Yakuza 7 and I(Already knew I would like it), but I really like this series.

If there was a Yakuza rep, it would be a missed opportunity to not have Ichiban repped by Erdrick in a spirit battle.

 

[Shroob]

If there was a Yakuza rep, it would be a missed opportunity to not have Ichiban repped by Erdrick in a spirit battle.

Or just cut the middle man out entirely and have Ichiban BE the rep.

Imagine the trailer of him meeting Erdrick.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Or just cut the middle man out entirely and have Ichiban BE the rep.

Imagine the trailer of him meeting Erdrick.

And have a Kiryu spirit be repped by Incineroar as some obscure Yokai watch reference.

Joker didn't until after his inclusion in Smash.

He had Q2 on 3DS.

 

[osby]

Wait has every character we've gotten except Banjo had a game on Switch?

Well then.

Notably, Banjo and Joker are the only DLC characters that the Ultimate website doesn't directly link to a game. Even Piranha Plant sends you to the Super Mario Bros page and Joker is probably because P5S wasn't out yet when he was released.

So, uh, I think Nintendo might care a little about which characters appeared on their consoles. As crazy as Steve and Joker were, this makes me more skeptical about the chances of characters like 2B or Master Chief.

 

[Ben Holt]

He had Q2 on 3DS.

The question was on Switch, not Nintendo consoles.

 

[Shroob]

Notably, Banjo and Joker are the only DLC characters that the Ultimate website doesn't directly link to a game. Even Piranha Plant sends you to the Super Mario Bros page and Joker is probably because P5S wasn't out yet when he was released.

So, uh, I think Nintendo might care a little about which characters appeared on their consoles. As crazy as Steve and Joker were, this makes me more skeptical about the chances of characters like 2B or Master Chief.

Reminds me that the Ninja Gaiden trilogy is apparently getting 2 releases on Switch in Japan, a censored and uncensored version.

 

[osby]

Reminds me that the Ninja Gaiden trilogy is apparently getting 2 releases on Switch in Japan, a censored and uncensored version.

iirc that's not uncommon for games with high age ratings in Japan but really makes you think.

Either way, Hayabusa would be a catsuit ninja guy with Charizard up throw and make sword haters cry so I'm all for him.

 

[Ben Holt]

Reminds me that the Ninja Gaiden trilogy is apparently getting 2 releases on Switch in Japan, a censored and uncensored version.

I want to publish a story as a video game, and one of my ideas was to physically release an M rated game but an AO patch to patch in the questionable scenes.

 

[Noipoi]

You know who else has a game on switch?

Spoiler: They’re in