The SBR official stance on Metaknight.

[Scipion121212]

yep but the people thinking, "man its not THAT bad, yay" are wrong as soon as MK learns matchup. Get *****.

 

[zeldspazz]

Are people really still discussing this MK ban issue? Its over cant we let it rest in peace?

 

[smashkng]

Yeah probably cause Sheik's KO moves sucks and her amazing DACUS is so hard to master. She isn't one of the best and she has high learning curve.

 

[Scipion121212]

Yes, they are, because many people feel MK still should be banned..

 

['V']

I thought the thread was supposed to be closed a long time ago...

Edit: I must be the only one who didn't find Sheik's or Link's DACUS's hard to learn.

 

[choknater]

yep but the people thinking, "man its not THAT bad, yay" are wrong as soon as MK learns matchup. Get *****.

how do you know? you dont play sheik lol

even if he learns, i bet it probably wont be that bad

old mocha, yeah haha, it took a little while but now i get it pretty consistnetly

 

[MetalMusicMan]

In fact, there's really only a few characters that really get "*****" by Meta Knight. The more the metagame advances and people not just whine about the masked puffball, the more matchups go from "omg we lose so much D:" to "Oh, cool, it's not THAT bad, actually".
Characters with sluggish metagame, though, do indeed get ***** by Meta Knight, one of the characters with the most advanced metagame in Brawl.

This. Couldn't agree more.

 

[phi1ny3]

Link DACUS iirc isn't too hard. Sheik on the other hand...

 

[Dark 3nergy]

her DACUS is fun to perform, hard to use it on command. I find performing other characters DACUS' actually helps with the strict timing on hers

 

[choknater]

haha even sheik mains have trouble getting it consistently

i do it around 50% of the time now in matches. whiffing and doing a dsmash/dash attack really isn't that bad, cuz the spacing i use for dacus usually won't get me punished anyway.

 

[Johnknight1]

In fact, there's really only a few characters that really get "*****" by Meta Knight. The more the metagame advances and people not just whine about the masked puffball, the more matchups go from "omg we lose so much D:" to "Oh, cool, it's not THAT bad, actually".
Characters with sluggish metagame, though, do indeed get ***** by Meta Knight, one of the characters with the most advanced metagame in Brawl.

^ It's still fun to make Meta Knight jokes though!

But in all honesty, I agree with the SBR. While I'm neither pro or anti-Meta Knight banning, I think the best route is to leave it to region-specific areas. If one region is having minimal Meta Knight problems, leave him unbanned. If one region is having some Meta Knight troubles, then maybe try banning him at a few tournies to see how things turn out. If one region is having Meta Knight dominate without any competition, ban him (so you're meta game with other characters will advance).

Really, I think the issue comes down to how advanced each characters meta games are advancing, & Meta Knight is clearly above & beyond the most advanced in terms of overall meta game. Once other characters get their deserved meta game advancings, they'll be real competitors. Heck-maybe Captain Falcon will be top tier some day!

Spoiler

NOT!

I guess we can still count on the SBR to do the right thing. At least that's one group we can count on... >_>

 

[Commander_Beef]

Heck-maybe Captain Falcon will be top tier some day!

(Disregarding the spoiler.)
Ah... so now you can make jokes about Captain Falcon too eh? Gosh...

 

[Xerit]

Yeah its all about metagame!

All i have to do is advance D3's metagame and that will give me ungimpable recovery and a frame advantage on the entire cast.

Oh wait...

 

[Dastrn]

There was never any reason to ban MK, who as a whole isn't nearly as good a character as Fox is in Melee.

Get ***** whiny brawlscrubs.

You're dumb. Fox didn't ever win big tournaments. Metaknight wins almost every single one.
You should have at least compared him to Marth, who actually won in Melee.

 

[Spelt]

mango seems to be taking all of the big tournament wins.

 

[smashkng]

In really high level play, Falcon will always be a low tier character. He's the 2nd worst character in the game. He doesn't have advantage against anyone.

 

[Mota]

Yeah its all about metagame!

All i have to do is advance D3's metagame and that will give me ungimpable recovery and a frame advantage on the entire cast.

Oh wait...

Lol so true, metagame won't change MKs laggless, frame whatnot attacks.

 

[NatP]

How about everyone starts talking on banning DDD's standing infinite? It absolutely kills 2 characters (DK and Bowser) and makes a matchup harder than it should be (Samus, Mario and Luigi) It's like the DK DDD matchup isn't already annoying enough with the normal cg. >_>

 

[cutter]

How about everyone starts talking on banning DDD's standing infinite? It absolutely kills 2 characters (DK and Bowser) and makes a matchup harder than it should be (Samus, Mario and Luigi) It's like the DK DDD matchup isn't already annoying enough with the normal cg. >_>

Because there is no good reason to warrant a ban on DDD's standing/smallstep infinites.

It doesn't break the game, and it doesn't devolve the game into "Play DDD or lose."

****, with that mentality, we might as well ban Melee Sheik's Dthrow chaingrabs because they do the exact same thing as DDD's infinites, except on MORE characters than DDD can ever hope to shut down.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Metaknight wins almost every single one.

Not true.

 

[-Jumpman-]

You're dumb. Fox didn't ever win big tournaments. Metaknight wins almost every single one.
You should have at least compared him to Marth, who actually won in Melee.

You're in the SBR and have access to results...

 

[Melomaniacal]

This just in: Fox has the best match up against MK.

 

[Blatt Blvd]

marth, fox, shiek, falco and now jiggs (somewhat) all had their time on top in melee(each usually dominating for anywhere from 6 months to 2 1/2 years).

MK is no different, less than 2 years in to brawls life(and he hasn't even won all major tourneys).

 

[ShadowLink84]

The primary reason Fox doesn't win is simply cause he is extremely difficult to master. Literally impossible to use him at his fll potential. Marth though. Though Marth's are rather...few now.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

marth, fox, shiek, falco and now jiggs (somewhat) all had their time on top in melee(each usually dominating for anywhere from 6 months to 2 1/2 years).

MK is no different, less than 2 years in to brawls life(and he hasn't even won all major tourneys).

No, MKs been pretty solid on winning most big tournaments since at least Fall last year, when Snake wasnt the most troubling thing anymore.

 

[phi1ny3]

This just in: Fox has the best match up against MK.

lolol I remember that war.

 

[Blatt Blvd]

snake just won the biggest brawl tourney.

and marth is harder to play than fox in melee.

spacing tips is alot harder at high level play than drill shinning 1/3 of the playable characters.

 

['V']

Melee Fox would **** Meta Knight.

 

[demonictoonlink]

^
lol too true.
Actually...Melee fox would suffer hit stun...or give hitstun...I don't remember

 

[choknater]

knowing which hitstun to use is IMO the barrier between solving any melee character vs brawl character debates lol

 

[Melomaniacal]

If there was no hitstun at all... I think MK would win xD

 

[AlphaZealot]

SNES Results (out of 141 entrants)
1st: ADHD (Diddy Kong)
2nd: Ally (Snake)
3rd: M2K (MK)
4th: Lain (Ice Climbers, King Dedede)
5th: Anther (Pikachu)
5th: Atomsk (King Dedede, Luigi)
7th: Pikapika (Pikachu)
7th: Reflex (Pokemon Trainer)

Clearly the SBR made the wrong decision...

 

[Kewkky]

SNES Results (out of 141 entrants)
1st: ADHD (Diddy Kong)
2nd: Ally (Snake)
3rd: M2K (MK)
4th: Lain (Ice Climbers, King Dedede)
5th: Anther (Pikachu)
5th: Atomsk (King Dedede, Luigi)
7th: Pikapika (Pikachu)
7th: Reflex (Pokemon Trainer)

Clearly the SBR made the wrong decision...

If MK was banned, Ganondorf would be in the top 8, since he will be viable afterwards. Obviously the SBR made the wrong decision!

Oh and... Close the thread before people come in and start saying that it's just 1 example, or that M2K had some hidden johns, or w/e.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic_acid]

If MK was banned, Ganondorf would be in the top 8, since he will be viable afterwards. Obviously the SBR made the wrong decision!

Oh and... Close the thread before people come in and start saying that it's just 1 example, or that M2K had some hidden johns, or w/e.

Watch people start idiotically saying that M2K sandbagged.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Watch people start idiotically saying that M2K sandbagged.

they already have actually

 

[choknater]

man, good stuff reflex, and pikapika coming out of the abyss and ******, good stuff. i really like those results

the presence of pikachus forcing atomsk to counter pick was cool

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'm a little late on this, but I just got back from Australia 2 days ago, so bear with me.

I'm confused as to why this is the last poll/vote, when the game has been out less than a year and a half. Could an SBR member (preferably a leader, someone like Hylian or Panda) please explain this? I apologize if this has already been answered.

 

[Red Arremer]

SamuraiPanda is not a leader of the SBR.

 

[choknater]

Hylian said it in the first post...

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

@Spadefox: Well OK then.

That's not really important.

@Chok: Where? I just re-read it 3 times.