Social The Perfect Specimen Of A Man Returns!- A Wario Return Thread

[MrGameguycolor]

What do you think of the knockback on Wario's dash attack? Sends Villager further than the subsequent hits but unsure how far Shovel Knight is supposed to send you.

Back air seems faster too, no?

It's looks fine.
But we don't know the % on that match, so unfortunately we can't judge if it will be good for combos or killing.

 

[MERPIS]

What do you think of the knockback on Wario's dash attack? Sends Villager further than the subsequent hits but unsure how far Shovel Knight is supposed to send you.

Back air seems faster too, no?

I think a lot of moves seen faster because of the style of the game, thus a lot of people saying that other moves, mainly villager's bair and dair, came out faster. His fair has a load more horizontal range now though.

EDIT: I ran it through a frame by frame counter at 60FPS, it comes out on frame 10 so its still the same ol bair, it may have some more range though as wario get noticeably larger when he does it, it also has 20 frames of endlag assuming it doesn't autocan from a SH any more. However dash attack comes out on frame 5(!!) and has an estimated 8-11 frames of endlag, which is ridiculous seeing as how fast and far he moves while using it, and hopefully it has armor too like his fsmash did

 

[Deleted member]

So, for music, I'm obviously expecting 95% WarioWare, but what Wario Land music should make the cut?

And, speaking of WarioWare; this better be in the game!

 

[Sari]

So, for music, I'm obviously expecting 95% WarioWare, but what Wario Land music should make the cut?

And, speaking of WarioWare; this better be in the game!

I'm hoping for a new remix of the classic Wario Land theme. I'd also like to hear the Wario Land 3 credits theme and Wario Land 4's Toy Block Tower on the Gamer stage.

For WarioWare music, Tomorrow Hill would be hilarious on either of the Wario stages. Also if Body Rock isn't in we riot (especially since Gold has a new cleaned rip of it).

 

[MERPIS]

Jesus like my comment and very legitimate work doesn't even exist
Is there NO ONE out there that is actually interested in wario's buffs?

 

[Shmebulock]

I'm hoping for a new remix of the classic Wario Land theme. I'd also like to hear the Wario Land 3 credits theme and Wario Land 4's Toy Block Tower on the Gamer stage.

For WarioWare music, Tomorrow Hill would be hilarious on either of the Wario stages. Also if Body Rock isn't in we riot (especially since Gold has a new cleaned rip of it).

Always maintained that Body Rock should be put on the Wii Fit Studio stage, even with the new series-to-stage rules regarding music.

 

[Bayopuff]

What do you think of the knockback on Wario's dash attack? Sends Villager further than the subsequent hits but unsure how far Shovel Knight is supposed to send you.

Back air seems faster too, no?

We can't study the knockback since we don't know the percentages, I'm unsure about Back air.

 

[Deleted member]

I really wish they would show us more for Wario. I feel like his little video did no justice and we're left with nothing but knowing that the shoulder bash is back. I get he's not the most appealing character but come on. Show us some kind of match.

 

[Deleted member]

I really wish they would show us more for Wario. I feel like his little video did no justice and we're left with nothing but knowing that the shoulder bash is back. I get he's not the most appealing character but come on. Show us some kind of match.

The fact that over half of the roster is in limbo considering the E3 tech demo only has 31 fighters (all third party characters and noteworthy Nintendo characters besides Ridley & Inkling) and we just have short videos detailing the other veterans makes me worried a bit.

Granted, I didn't even bother playing as Wario in Smash 4 because the removal of the Shoulder Bash pissed me off to no end, so I'm hoping they did justice with him this time.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

So, for music, I'm obviously expecting 95% WarioWare, but what Wario Land music should make the cut?

And, speaking of WarioWare; this better be in the game!

none of these are WL music, but Terrormisu, Tomorrow Hill, Drifting Away and Run! Men in Tights.

 

[Deleted member]

none of these are WL music, but Terrormisu, Tomorrow Hill, Drifting Away and Run! Men in Tights.

I honestly don't mind it mostly being Wario Ware music. If anything, I'd be putting in Body Rock, Introducing Wario Deluxe, Tomorrow Hill, and a boss theme from Master of Disguise.

I'd just like at least one new track from those games. Toy Block Tower is just begging for a remix.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I honestly don't mind it mostly being Wario Ware music. If anything, I'd be putting in Body Rock, Introducing Wario Deluxe, Tomorrow Hill, and a boss theme from Master of Disguise.

I'd just like at least one new track from those games. Toy Block Tower is just begging for a remix.

How did I forget about Body Rock and Toy Block Tower?

 

[K.K. Slider]

This is a bit of a throwback but I would love some Wario WORLD songs. I loved that game.

 

[JabbatheHutt]

I'm hoping his soundtrack doesn't get shafted again. GREENHORN FOREST and WREK TRAIN please.

 

[warelander]

I can't help but wonder what Ultimate will do with Wario's alternate colors especially since I really disliked what For did, by mixing the Biker alts together and cutting the Game Boy color scheme.

Just for fun I figured I'd try to make an analysis to try and find an origin for all alts. Nothing where I'd say ''this has to be it!1!'' but just some fun food for thought,

 

[Sari]

I can't help but wonder what Ultimate will do with Wario's alternate colors especially since I really disliked what For did, by mixing the Biker alts together and cutting the Game Boy color scheme.

One of the pics on the official site has Wario in his purple/blue biker alt from SSB4, so they will most likely just reuse his costumes.

I really hope this isn't the case and we somehow get 8 colors for each costume. I miss the chocolate and gameboy colored overalls alts from Brawl so much.

Ridley has a Meta Ridley alt that is not a part of his regular 8 colors, so that does give me a bit of hope though.

 

[G-Guy]

yeah, palette distribution seems to be all over the place in this game. but hey, if everyone is here, maybe that applies for Wario's missing costumes, too...

 

[Spinosaurus]

I'm not holding my breath if Mac got cut down on the demo.

I'm honestly expecting only Ridley to be the one getting special treatment this time, and maybe Mac again.

 

[Thatonehelper]

Dang dudes. What makes you guys like Smash 4 Wario so much?

 

[Deleted member]

Dang dudes. What makes you guys like Smash 4 Wario so much?

Uh, I didn't like Smash 4 Wario at all, why you asking?

 

[Thatonehelper]

ike Smash 4 Wario at all, why you a

The top poll results.

 

[C-G]

Because some don't play PM and everyone else hates Grab Release

 

[AquaTech]

Interesting note about the WarioWare GOLD game... in an opening cutscene, he calls up all his supporting cast characters to ask them a favor. When he calls Ashley, she immediately hangs up on him... maybe too busy being in the new Smash bros game?!?!

 

[Caravan of Noobs]

Interesting note about the WarioWare GOLD game... in an opening cutscene, he calls up all his supporting cast characters to ask them a favor. When he calls Ashley, she immediately hangs up on him... maybe too busy being in the new Smash bros game?!?!

I remember when I had hope. I was an innocent boy two months ago.

 

[Sari]

Nothing Wario related during the Direct, though Princess Shokura from Wario Land 4 is a spirit so I guess the WL series isn't completely forgotten.

 

[C-G]

Nothing Wario related during the Direct, though Princess Shokura from Wario Land 4 is a spirit so I guess the WL series isn't completely forgotten.

They're doing Smash with the entire roster on the Treehouse today (alternating with other games), so we might see gameplay yet. We've already seen GnW, Pichu, Wolf and Young Link in various matches, we may see some WAH

 

[Sari]

They're doing Smash with the entire roster on the Treehouse today (alternating with other games), so we might see gameplay yet. We've already seen GnW, Pichu, Wolf and Young Link in various matches, we may see some WAH

It seems to have ended with no Wario unfortunately.

On the bright side, one of Villager's alts was altered so his skin is more noticeably darker. If we are lucky maybe we can get a new Wario palette.

 

[C-G]

Spain to the rescue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxzxwc4BUXg

Overall notability

-Moves have been sped up across the board. Fsmash and Bair both recover much faster.
-Bike has a longer CD if you just throw it off stage. You don't immediately have access again
-Bite heals you a small amount of health
-Fair and Shoulder Bash both knockback a respectable distance at high percent. I could easily see Fair killing during an edgeguard situation. That is frightening. Dash attack is a legitimate KO move, something Wario is in dire need of
-Nair looks like it can function as an actual Nair again, instead of whatever pathetic excuse of a hitbox it had back in Wii U Nair days when only the hands had hitboxes for the first part.

 

[Sari]

Spain to the rescue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxzxwc4BUXg

Overall notability

-Moves have been sped up across the board. Fsmash and Bair both recover much faster.
-Bike has a longer CD if you just throw it off stage. You don't immediately have access again
-Bite heals you a small amount of health
-Fair and Shoulder Bash both knockback a respectable distance at high percent. I could easily see Fair killing during an edgeguard situation. That is frightening. Dash attack is a legitimate KO move, something Wario is in dire need of
-Nair looks like it can function as an actual Nair again, instead of whatever pathetic excuse of a hitbox it had back in Wii U Nair days when only the hands had hitboxes for the first part.

Aside from the bike cooldown I am loving these changes so far. Glad to hear shoulderbash is good for killing (I'll still miss his old dash attack for messing up recoveries though). Chomp healing off of attacks is amazing. I wonder if you can gain health by eating enemy projectiles like Samus' charge shot.

Has anyone who has played the new build been able to see all of Wario's colors? Are they just the same as SSB4's?

 

[Rakurai]

I noticed that you can now angle Wario's trajectory during the half/fully charged waft, which makes it better for emergency recovery and also easier to avoid SD'ing from a fully charged waft.

 

[Sari]

All of the alternate colors (plus a first look at the official artwork of Wario in his overalls):

https://youtu.be/aDSuAY3qiQg

Sadly Wario just has his SSB4 colors, though they changed the order so they alternate by biker then overalls when selecting them. I guess we will never see chocolate and gameboy Wario ever again.

 

[Shmebulock]

They changed his buttons back to silver on his classic costume.
GOOD.

 

[MERPIS]

Spain to the rescue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxzxwc4BUXg

Overall notability

-Moves have been sped up across the board. Fsmash and Bair both recover much faster.
-Bike has a longer CD if you just throw it off stage. You don't immediately have access again
-Bite heals you a small amount of health
-Fair and Shoulder Bash both knockback a respectable distance at high percent. I could easily see Fair killing during an edgeguard situation. That is frightening. Dash attack is a legitimate KO move, something Wario is in dire need of
-Nair looks like it can function as an actual Nair again, instead of whatever pathetic excuse of a hitbox it had back in Wii U Nair days when only the hands had hitboxes for the first part.

Does this mean he has actually good kill moves this time around?
Do we know if he has any good excuse of a combo game or is he still stuck with whatever the heck it was in smash 4?

 

[Sari]

To those who have had access to the demo, how is Wario's new forward tilt? Is it better or worse than the old one?

 

[C-G]

Someone picked Wario in teams. Thanks goodness.

 

[Sari]

Someone picked Wario in teams. Thanks goodness.

Damn I'm loving the range on up-Smash. Is it me or is jab faster now (4:42 of the third video)? Also lol at his victory animation.

 

[C-G]

Everything is faster. Or at least lags a lot less

The things I noted: Fair beat back a ROB Gyro that was being fired out. Unsure if Gyro was nerfed or Fair was buffed.

I think there's now a better indicator that Wario is a full Waft charge.

 

[WarioJim]

From what I've counted, Wario's F-Smash seems to come out on frame 14-15, and the move's duration is around 54-55 frames total at the earliest I've counted.

 

[aleckermit]

Eating the bike does not heal

 

[C-G]

Eating the bike does not heal

A fair trade off for Chomp healing I would say.

From what I've counted, Wario's F-Smash seems to come out on frame 14-15, and the move's duration is around 54-55 frames total at the earliest I've counted.

For reference, Old Wario Fsmash came out in 18 frames and lasted 66 total

EDIT: Wario seems to have some armor in his 'jump from Bike' animation. I forget, was that there in Smash 4?