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The Old Diddy Social/General/Q&A Thread
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Bellioes
Smash Lord
Drift in one direction while in the air. Then input a B-Reversal in the opposite direction (hit the opposite direction AFTER inputting B). Then cancel the peanut gun immediately with L or R.i still dont get how to do the weird momentum switches with the peanut cancel
Also, in regard to P-1s post on using Over B to momentum cancel, I asked Swordgard and he said that it works. Using B moves only returns VERTICAL momentum that was canceled. So if a B move fights against horizontal momentum, then it will help in surviving bigger hits thought I still prefer jumping cause Im used to it
Player-1
Smash Legend
jumping is still better, but I'm saying it's the best thing to do if you got hit before yo touched the ground after you used your midair jumpDrift in one direction while in the air. Then input a B-Reversal in the opposite direction (hit the opposite direction AFTER inputting B). Then cancel the peanut gun immediately with L or R.
Also, in regard to P-1s post on using Over B to momentum cancel, I asked Swordgard and he said that it works. Using B moves only returns VERTICAL momentum that was canceled. So if a B move fights against horizontal momentum, then it will help in surviving bigger hits thought I still prefer jumping cause Im used to it
ADHD
Smash Hero
I always cp neutrals and PS1.
AlAxe
Smash Journeyman
I would think Delfino would be good with the sections that are have walls, walkoffs, or short horizontal boundaries. Any thoughts on that?
Coyn3Masta
Smash Journeyman
delfino isn't bad imo, i wouldn't cp it unless your comfortable on the stage. Its a pretty good stage though...
i usually just cp neutrals lol, especially sv =)
i usually just cp neutrals lol, especially sv =)
Kaptain Kong
Smash Lord
yeah same here, i just stick with bf, smashville, and fd against most people
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Shhh... keep that as your special secret sir.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
SV, FD (usually only if it's MK), PS1, Castle Siege, Distant Planet.
....I'm weird.
(but honestly Distant Planet, as far as I can tell with the matches I've played on it, is a really good Diddy stage and should be a legal CP anyway, I don't see what's keeping it banned),
....I'm weird.
(but honestly Distant Planet, as far as I can tell with the matches I've played on it, is a really good Diddy stage and should be a legal CP anyway, I don't see what's keeping it banned),
Coyn3Masta
Smash Journeyman
im guessing the caterpillar, the water, and those token things...
Player-1
Smash Legend
Some characters that can plank get bigger advantages, but not all of them. Ex: MK has a batter plank here, but ROBs is a lot worse.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
Distant Planet has walk off...
Walk off =/= legal
Walk off =/= legal
Bellioes
Smash Lord
Thats not true of all stages. Delfino and Castle Siege both have walk off transformations but arent banned.
And isnt Onette a CP stage (Im not up to date on the new tounry rules so I could be wrong)
Also, Im pretty sure Yoshis Island Pipes isnt banned and its just like Distant Planet in that it has a sloped walk off part. Id say its more because of the numerous ledges and the fact that you die when eaten by the monster thingy.
And isnt Onette a CP stage (Im not up to date on the new tounry rules so I could be wrong)
Also, Im pretty sure Yoshis Island Pipes isnt banned and its just like Distant Planet in that it has a sloped walk off part. Id say its more because of the numerous ledges and the fact that you die when eaten by the monster thingy.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
Distant Planet has a sloped walk-off on which camping for chaingrabs and such is not effective. Only real problems are D3 and Yoshi chaingrabs and I'm almost certain Yoshi's didn't work. And AmazingAmarphos tested in the stage discussion that a lot of characters originally being able to be running CGd can't be up the slope.
The rain is NOT A HAZARD. It makes it a little harder to recover, but you can still snap the ledge. It also prevents from being CGd from the slope, although that really isn't a problem anyway.
If you run into the Bulborb (caterpillar) you're just stupid. There is no possible way from the main green platform that you can be attacked or thrown into the thing, unless you DI hoooorrrrriiibbbllllyyyyy. Same thing for if you're getting hit/thrown from the ledge. Basically, that thing shouldn't kill you unless you're just not paying attention.
The bottle caps are why I love this stage and why it should be CP worthy. It's different. The bottle caps aren't imbalanced yet they help a little, like snuffing camping and pseudo-making people approach. When you're controlling 2 bananas and a bottle cap...it's just lol.
The numerous ledges aren't really a problem either. I think, honestly, that people only played on that stage once or twice, and from foggy memory thought it was bad. I've played on that stage multiple times, and the hazards are NOT extreme as you think. IMO it's much better than Norfair or Mansion.
But anyway, I love this stage for Diddy because he already has a good glide toss length, and the bottle caps give you this if you don't feel like pulling out a banana or just want more mobility. Your recovery is pretty versatile on this stage while it can potential screw other people's up (Snake, Marth). The layout of the stage makes bottle cap/bananas can be thrown basically anywhere, depending on your location. The bending leaves on the main platform work well with your short hopped bananas or against tall people, where throwing a banana on the ledge there still makes them trip. This stage works VERY well with Diddy while not so much with other people, like Snake, Marth, etc.
Also, how does MK get a better plank here? Any character can now quasi deal with it (bottle caps). Granted his under-the-stage game and general mobility here isn't always fun, but...
The rain is NOT A HAZARD. It makes it a little harder to recover, but you can still snap the ledge. It also prevents from being CGd from the slope, although that really isn't a problem anyway.
If you run into the Bulborb (caterpillar) you're just stupid. There is no possible way from the main green platform that you can be attacked or thrown into the thing, unless you DI hoooorrrrriiibbbllllyyyyy. Same thing for if you're getting hit/thrown from the ledge. Basically, that thing shouldn't kill you unless you're just not paying attention.
The bottle caps are why I love this stage and why it should be CP worthy. It's different. The bottle caps aren't imbalanced yet they help a little, like snuffing camping and pseudo-making people approach. When you're controlling 2 bananas and a bottle cap...it's just lol.
The numerous ledges aren't really a problem either. I think, honestly, that people only played on that stage once or twice, and from foggy memory thought it was bad. I've played on that stage multiple times, and the hazards are NOT extreme as you think. IMO it's much better than Norfair or Mansion.
But anyway, I love this stage for Diddy because he already has a good glide toss length, and the bottle caps give you this if you don't feel like pulling out a banana or just want more mobility. Your recovery is pretty versatile on this stage while it can potential screw other people's up (Snake, Marth). The layout of the stage makes bottle cap/bananas can be thrown basically anywhere, depending on your location. The bending leaves on the main platform work well with your short hopped bananas or against tall people, where throwing a banana on the ledge there still makes them trip. This stage works VERY well with Diddy while not so much with other people, like Snake, Marth, etc.
Also, how does MK get a better plank here? Any character can now quasi deal with it (bottle caps). Granted his under-the-stage game and general mobility here isn't always fun, but...
Short Hop?!
i can short hop just fine when i chain an aerial in with it, but i CAN NOT for the life of me figure it out when i JUST wanna short hop to grab a banana off a platform. it doesnt work. and ive played smash for too long using Up on the movement stick to switch to the x/y format. anyone know an easy way that they can explain without showing or maybe a youtube video that can show me how to do this?? ive got everything else about diddy on lock except for this... if im consciously thinking about short hopping, i can do it 50% of the time, i need 100. thanks in advance everyone who responds
i can short hop just fine when i chain an aerial in with it, but i CAN NOT for the life of me figure it out when i JUST wanna short hop to grab a banana off a platform. it doesnt work. and ive played smash for too long using Up on the movement stick to switch to the x/y format. anyone know an easy way that they can explain without showing or maybe a youtube video that can show me how to do this?? ive got everything else about diddy on lock except for this... if im consciously thinking about short hopping, i can do it 50% of the time, i need 100. thanks in advance everyone who responds
DUB
Smash Lord
I use to use tap jump for everything. You NEED to switch to X or Y ASAP. The aerial control you gain from having the control stick free to move you is much better. It took my about 2 weeks to relearn it and like a total of 14 hours of smash. Practice it at home, apply it in friendlies, it will come in no time.
This is how I switched so feel free to try it but you don't have to in order to learn X and Y buttons at all.
Play Melee. Jump horizontally with Falcon using tap jump. Now do it again after using X or Y
. If you can short hop in Melee you can definitely do it in Brawl.
Camping just under the green vines on the slope is OP on Distant Planet (so is planking).
Though I've never had a problem with the stage it's a collection of those things which make it banable.
Though I've never had a problem with the stage it's a collection of those things which make it banable.
i stickjump too. To do empty SHs, just hit up and then down asap. Works for SH uair instead of usmash, too. Took me 20 mn to learn lulz
thanks for the reply man, but i think im gonna try what the other guy said. i just dont think i can switch my hands that easilyI use to use tap jump for everything. You NEED to switch to X or Y ASAP. The aerial control you gain from having the control stick free to move you is much better. It took my about 2 weeks to relearn it and like a total of 14 hours of smash. Practice it at home, apply it in friendlies, it will come in no time.
This is how I switched so feel free to try it but you don't have to in order to learn X and Y buttons at all.
Play Melee. Jump horizontally with Falcon using tap jump. Now do it again after using X or Y
thanks bud, ill give it a shot
jlorde34@yahoo.com
Smash Apprentice
Boofy!
Smash Champion
@ above post
sounds cool i guess but its honestly just wishful thinking lol
and i thought delphino and CS were legal because they don't always have walk-off.. unlike distant planet
and yoshi island melee is recommended banned i believe
sounds cool i guess but its honestly just wishful thinking lol
and i thought delphino and CS were legal because they don't always have walk-off.. unlike distant planet
and yoshi island melee is recommended banned i believe
Coyn3Masta
Smash Journeyman
i thought yoshi island melee was banned to being with o.O?
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
im lost....
Boofy!
Smash Champion
lol nvm i guess.. not the place
Bellioes
Smash Lord
EDIT: oops your right. this isnt the stage discussion
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Is there a Diddy Kong Xat/any other chat room?
=)@MePlz
Smash Apprentice
Would there be a point if I made a Diddy guide?
Our current diddy guide needs better pictures.
Our current diddy guide needs better pictures.
darkNES386
Smash Lord
Which characters make it hardest for Diddy to effectively use his bananas?
Boofy!
Smash Champion
falco
10chars
Player-1
Smash Legend
Boofy!
Smash Champion
Falco is definitely up there, you're right though weegee is a tough one too
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
ive been making a guide....i just havent uploaded it yet >.>
Count
Smash Champion
Falco is really hard once you pick up diddy, the more you play the easier that matchup gets in my opinion.
As far as using bananas? Almost certainly luigi.
Hardest matchup overall? Marth.
As far as using bananas? Almost certainly luigi.
Hardest matchup overall? Marth.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
Well now that we've come to the conclusion that luigi is one of Diddy's tougher opponents. How do you get around it? Why excactly is he so hard? I'm assuming Luigi's odd traction has something to do with using bananas well. I never played a good luigi so please enlighten me
Yup. I main both Diddy and Luigi and there's 3 Diddys and 4 Luigis in my crew xP
Fair>luigi (except his bair)
Don't become predictable with it tho, its lag time is long enough to eat a shoryuken.
Your bair is a good bet too.
Do NOT spotdodge. At all. An immobile opponent is what luigis love the most.
If you manage to hit him with a nana, you can't smash him, but if you're near enough you can grab him. Don't forget to pummel and enjoy.
Beware while edgeguarding/being edgeguarded ; his tornado>diddy. Basically if you get hit once by it you're screwed lol
It's good on the floor too, but if there's a banana between you and the luigi he won't attempt it. Floored italianado is shield grabable, btw (just done it 20mn ago lol), and if you have a banana in your hand, you can punish its end lag anyway.
Peanuts are somewhat useless against luigi's broken prios, but it can stop his side B while recovering ; or at least put some pressure on him while edgeguarded. What i often do is to turn around on the ledge and pull out a banana. If he misses his recovery, free KO.
Don't mindlessly throw naners at him, especially because he can do 3 fairs un a SH to max his chances.
if he does a floored fireball at about 2 glide tosses lenght, you can punish him with a side B kick.
Your ftilt outranges him if he's on the floor.
Just like Fox, his approaches are all punishable, but whenever you miss you'll get 60% so keep concentrated and let him approach instead of approaching him.
If he tries to camp with his fireballs to force you to approach, just flee, pull out a banana, and walk back PSing everything he does to you till you can hit him.
Getting the kill is the hardest part imo.
Oh, and our usmash>his nair. Nice to know if he gets predictable with it, but it's not likely to happen cus if a luigi's predictable you will win the match anyway.
I guess that's it, if you still have troubles, ask american luigis which are better than me lol
Fair>luigi (except his bair)
Don't become predictable with it tho, its lag time is long enough to eat a shoryuken.
Your bair is a good bet too.
Do NOT spotdodge. At all. An immobile opponent is what luigis love the most.
If you manage to hit him with a nana, you can't smash him, but if you're near enough you can grab him. Don't forget to pummel and enjoy.
Beware while edgeguarding/being edgeguarded ; his tornado>diddy. Basically if you get hit once by it you're screwed lol
It's good on the floor too, but if there's a banana between you and the luigi he won't attempt it. Floored italianado is shield grabable, btw (just done it 20mn ago lol), and if you have a banana in your hand, you can punish its end lag anyway.
Peanuts are somewhat useless against luigi's broken prios, but it can stop his side B while recovering ; or at least put some pressure on him while edgeguarded. What i often do is to turn around on the ledge and pull out a banana. If he misses his recovery, free KO.
Don't mindlessly throw naners at him, especially because he can do 3 fairs un a SH to max his chances.
if he does a floored fireball at about 2 glide tosses lenght, you can punish him with a side B kick.
Your ftilt outranges him if he's on the floor.
Just like Fox, his approaches are all punishable, but whenever you miss you'll get 60% so keep concentrated and let him approach instead of approaching him.
If he tries to camp with his fireballs to force you to approach, just flee, pull out a banana, and walk back PSing everything he does to you till you can hit him.
Getting the kill is the hardest part imo.
Oh, and our usmash>his nair. Nice to know if he gets predictable with it, but it's not likely to happen cus if a luigi's predictable you will win the match anyway.
I guess that's it, if you still have troubles, ask american luigis which are better than me lol
Kaptain Kong
Smash Lord
idk if the dbr is still gonna follow through with the idea of a "collaborated" guide with a bunch of people
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
So... Would a Diddy Kong Xat room be useful? Makes talking/making matches A LOT easier.
=)@MePlz
Smash Apprentice
When will it be uploaded?
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