yes, but this new character will not overshadow the other characters stat-wise like mk has done. He has a much bigger gap between the other characters than the next character in line.
The only thing is that the only reason he's eclipsing the others so much is because he's popular. Match-up wise, he should be losing more (as in, he has several match-ups where it's close to even, thus, several match-ups where he doesn't just waltz in and win hands down). But a lot of the good players are just going MK for the easiest path.
Which means that there are tons of good MK players out there. And since they're good, they place well, thus eclipsing everyone else.
Inui played MK for only 2 weeks and beat Bum (Probably the best DK there is)... there is your learning curve for MK.
Lurning curves are irrelevant when speaking about bans.
So the people saying MK is beatable believe that DK would be a soft counter for him right? How is it that the best DK gets beat by a decent guy who has used MK for 2 weeks.
1) Not a soft counter.
2) It's just one set between two people? But since it helps
your case, I guess it
proves that DK gets destroyed by MK and MK is broken.
Also MK being beatable is kind of an iffy excuse to not ban him. If he had a 90-10 match up against everyone in the cast he would still be beatable.
"...reasonable chance..."
Azen got his lucario 2 stocked twice in hobo 11 in the loosers final he goes MK and wins with out a problem.
According to whom? From what I hear
from people who were actually there, he got Lee down to
his last stock both times (the 2nd time at high percentages).
Not to mention that Azen said that Lee was the
only MK against whom he did better as MK than as Lucario.
I don't think thats what Ussi was getting at. Sure MK is easy to learn but if the best DK gets beat by a guy who has used MK for 2 weeks then the match up isn't very neutral.
God forbid DK players
practice the match-up and eventually they are both playing at the
highest possible level. Just because X character is easier to pick up does not mean he's too good if given enough time, both characters will hit the highest possible level where they're theoretically
even.
This is this and that is that. "Easier to pick up and learn initially" =/= "Not an even matchup".
And God forbid that Bum was just having a bad day, a bad set or just playing badly. According to eyewitnesses, Inui was spamming the Tornado in stupid ways and he still beat Bum and NinjaLink so I call shennanigans, unless Inui invented some random new Tonardo techs that make it sooooo much better and safer.
So can we conclude some reasons as to why MK should be banned instead of arguing over semantics and diction?
1-Matchup Analysis
2-MK domination tournament placings. Leading to MK dittos and MK placing top of the top in tournament placings.
I've been telling people to do this since page 15 or something.
We want to avoid the metagame devolving into one character, right? If that's the case, then we should ban any character whose worst non-mirror matchups is better than 50:50 in his favor (in this instance, MK). In game theory terminology, if a character is the strictly dominant choice in every metagame, then that character should be banned.
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike. Yun posseses
zero bad matchups. His
worst matchup is a
55:45 in his favour against Chun-Li. Is he banned?
No.
If people play to win, the metagame will collapse into that one character alone (and I get the feeling that people who don't play to win are to be considered stupid and should be ignored for the purposes of these arguments?).
Funny, Yun and Xianghua (Soul Calibur) disagree. Then there's a bunch of other characters throughout history who suffer zero disadvantageous matchups but who nonetheless didn't randomly dominate and get banned.
Popularity counts for a lot. If people would just
try to devise ways to combat Meta Knight instead of whining about him being banned, maybe we'd see more people winning. But people are lazy. Either they pick Meta Knight for the easiest path (easiest path =/= must be banned) or they want him banned to not have to deal with him.
Devising a standard that catches only Meat Knight is not enough. It must also prove that no character stands a
reasonable chance of winning against him. Otherwise, it's banning him for just being really, really good without being able to prove that he's "too good".
We've dealt with that already?
"You are not original!"
Someone did report that when Inui tried to fight those better players in a "non-cheap" way, he'd usually get beaten until he'd spam the tornado, to which there seemed to be no defense against. "He would use it as carelessly as an approach, often spamming it 7 to 8 times in a row~"
So, yes, maybe DK is just really, really bad against the Mach Tornado. Or maybe Bum is just really, really bad against it. Here's a question: Why aren't more really, really good players losing due to Mach Tornado spam?
So are so many of them dealing with it just fine?
Soft counter is just wishful thinking. Even the greatest dk gets ***** by a single move.
DK being a "soft counter" is an outdated belief. Anyone still believing it needs to read up on the current metagame.
A ban on Meta Knight should be contingent on two questions and the answers to them:
1.) Does Meta Knight have any match-ups that are not advantageous to him?
2.) Can his non-advantageous match-ups reliably stand a chance against him?
No, it should only be contingent on the 2nd question. The 1st does not necessarily make him "too good".
If Meta Knight was at a clear advantage against everyone else, I'd say that he should be banned.
But he's not. Two characters may not be a lot, but it's something standing between him and complete domination.
But people are lazy and want the easiest path, so they flock to Meta or other Tops (like, say, Snake). They want to have to learn some new characters to counterpick Meta Knight because that'd require, you know,
work.
This makes the faulty assumption that MK's tornado is part of what really makes him broken.
It's not.
Tell that to the people whining about how Inui managed to beat Bum and NinjaLink by literally spamming it to bits. Obviously that
proves it (and MK) is broken.