da K.I.D.
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just like playing any character besides MK (and snake to a lesser degree) in a tourney setting
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The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)
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ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
In theory Sonic can SideB through everything.
Again I said in theory not in actuality.
not true. MK does NOT have 80/20 against everyone.
he mostly has 60:40 which is very winnable.
I know you already know this but i'm gonna say it anyway:I like to win.
Hopefully.
Sometimes you have to loose alot before you can win. Sometimes you have to lose a whole freaking lot before you win.
MK Metagame is simpler and more developed than the rest of the cast, so go help the rest of the cast catchup, but no instead the community would rather just play MK and win Now. Instant gratification runs rampant i guess.
just remember we get out of this game what we put into it and if we ban something just because we have to put some time into figuring it out. we'll soon ban more characters than we wanted, not all of them, but far more than just MK
rofl. This can be misinterpreted <_<
FBM
Smash Apprentice
Not even true. See Azen.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
I can't believe OS is saying this...
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Azen is one person and he is a person whose skill allows him to beat the odds.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
snake actually has it worse then some characters. like 70% of MK's matchups are 60/40. 4 of the mare neutral, and 30% of them (lowtierlol) are like 80/20. i think ganon is 90:10 lol. but then again its ganon
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
People assume 80/20low tier character getting boned.
This is not always true.
There are many cases in which a character is 80/20 even thought hey are high tier.
Again its not 80/20 caxuse the character is low tier.
Its 80/20 because that character takes advantage of the other characters weaknesses very well.
Much like Baiken vs Potemkin.
This is not always true.
There are many cases in which a character is 80/20 even thought hey are high tier.
Again its not 80/20 caxuse the character is low tier.
Its 80/20 because that character takes advantage of the other characters weaknesses very well.
Much like Baiken vs Potemkin.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
example please
oh and also...
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197931
new AT discovered. freakin wario can CG MK up to 190%. wtf? not sure if this works but...
QFT There are high tier characters who have 20:80 match-up's...like DK or Wolf
brinboy789
Smash Champion
top tier i meant not high. NO top tier has 20:80 matchup
Overswarm
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believe it, sister.
The Real Inferno
Smash Hero
I was asked recently about my opinions as a TO on the banning of Metaknight. To be honest, I don't -want- to ban him. It feels ******** if I had to do so. On the otherhand, I seriously don't like what he does to this game. He's just...bad for Brawl. We have an overcentralized metagame where some of us non-Meta Mainers have to spend all of our time devoting to finding ways to pick at MK's weaknesses, only to then discover that Meta has a counter to that counter after the first time you surprise him with it, putting you right back at square one. Honestly, sometimes I stop and realize there are matchups in the game I don't even get to practice because if I let off on Metaknight, I'll get sloppy with him. Matches against mainers of the character are that intense.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
WARIO can CG MK. how screwed up is that
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Dk says hi to melee fox. >_>
granted its not considered a true hard counter but DK can really **** Fox. Badly.
The Real Inferno
Smash Hero
you do realize that the "vs Metaknight" matchup is the most well known matchup of just about every character main out there? Why? Because it's so common, every has to know it. Fleshing out the rest of the other characters metagames will not help them beat metaknight. It will just help them beat other characters they won't be as likely to see as Metaknight.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
The Wario CG is not all that you think it is, I've been practicing it, and its really hard, about as hard or maybe harder then infiniting wolf as D3 using a button instead of a Cstick. And I'm not sure if it works either, I've had a few MK's get out of it already.
So UNTIL its true, don't make accusations defending MK, as it could very well be false.
So UNTIL its true, don't make accusations defending MK, as it could very well be false.
I think we are still waiting to confirm this. Haven't heard from Reflex or anyone else, and I can't test it personally cause I don't have a competent testing partner.
That's not 100% confirmed
fallenangemon0
Smash Journeyman
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
Recently I set up a Brawl tournament that had free housing, food/drinks, and a beautiful venue that could easily host 200+ people. I decided that this time around I would ban Metaknight. No one came.
Overswarm
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Never heard about it.
Geist
Smash Master
well with that logic you might as well continue with saying as soon as meta is banned people will auto-bandwagon to snake, and then he'll get banned. Vicious circle ensues.
Even if he 60:40s everyone, that doesn't mean everyone will automatically pursue him. I've seen alot of people drop MK because he's overused already. Many will stay with him, but alot of people play other characters for other reasons. At that margin, skill still comes largely into place, and people will play other characters.
fallenangemon0
Smash Journeyman
I came.
... but seriously, you should have advertised better. A tourney of that magnitude = pure win.
Being the most well known doesn't mean its executed to the highest level.
and i mean fleshing out their matchup with MK
unless you think that we know all we'll ever know and are as good as we'll ever get. ever.
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
lol, I was just kidding. I was sooo not expecting that post to be taken seriously.
As for my thoughts on banning Metaknight, yeah, I think he should be. A character that excels in every aspect of the game and has no bad matchups is the exact reason why you would ban a character.
I'm going to go check how similar my thoughts are to the other posters in this thread.
As for my thoughts on banning Metaknight, yeah, I think he should be. A character that excels in every aspect of the game and has no bad matchups is the exact reason why you would ban a character.
I'm going to go check how similar my thoughts are to the other posters in this thread.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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I agree with this statement
I'm am unaware of what the situation was back in Melee when Sheik was considered god of the game (until all those discoveries). I've joined in late and I apologise for my lack of knowledge but was Sheik ever considered ban worthy in the Melee period?
I don't attend tourneys. I might as well admit it now even if I do get flamed. But looking at things from my point of view, what does banning MK achieve? So we get rid of a character who is considered superior to pretty much all other characters but surely this is avoiding the issue of the MK problem. I understand the whole 'it's like a virus' problem but ignoring it and simply banning him could potentially result in
A) Another character rises up and then is questionable of a ban (mentioned before)
B) If he's banned, is there any point in trying to find ways to counter him?
Regarding B), would the ban be permanant? Are bans permanant in the majority of competetive fighting games?
Pick Zelda in the Character Select Screen, and hold A until the match starts. 7:3 counter
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
I don't think banning Metaknight would result in other characters getting banned at all. The next "best" character (Snake) has bad matchups. Metaknight doesn't.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
seeing how long its taking for him to actually GET banned...
yes it would be permanent.
yes it would be permanent.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
lmao, I would hate to be a metaknight main if I had to do that lol. Great idea
choknater
Smash Obsessed
top tier matchups were almost all nearly even in melee, don't be silly. sheik's advantage was slight
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Its 65:35 or 6:4.
She is not a hard counter.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
between fox, falco shiek and marth at the highest playable levels in melee, there is no match that is more than 45-55 in anybodys favor. its played at such a high level that you would have to call marth/shiek 47-53 in shieks favor
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Why thank you, excuse me while I go seal clubbing.
With the changed Metagame, he won't be the next best character, Marth, with no counters, will be.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Kicking puppies is better.
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