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ok your just calling TOs in texas scrubs then. If the SBR bans MK will they be scrubs?I didn't. I said scrubs in Texas would ban him, because the people banning characters are scrubs, and happen to be in Texas. If you want to extrapolate beyond that, go ahead, but don't blame me.
Not all of them, but some of them, yes. The ones that ban things whenever somebody does well with them, specifically.
If they don't present a much better case for banning him than has been seen so far-- which I don't think is possible right now since tournament results have not been entirely conclusive-- then yes, they would be scrubs. Nobody said the SBR was perfect. In fact, there are lots of silly people back there and I sometimes worry for the future of this community because of it.
why would i.? i was just saying that if he participated this much in this arguement, and doesnt even have the game, it would be rather pointless
No TO bans things because they do well with them. They ban things to have better tournaments and at hobo 11 a lot of people where angry about MK. In order to run successful tournaments you have to please people and make them fun.
Anther frowns upon you.
no you said you would laugh at him. I'm asking because if you laugh at someone for argueing for a game they don't play anymore it seems like you would laugh at someone who talks about tournaments with out going to them recently.
Yeah, and you know who complains a lot when they lose? Scrubs. We saw the same thing when it came to Sheik when her chaingrab was discovered, and Fox when people started shine-spiking. This is not new. You can't give in to every whiny ****, because whiny ****'s will whine no matter what by definition.
What the hell? Even the most recent tournament results, he's nowhere near as dominant as people keep saying. Sure, he wins, but taking up the entire top 10? That's ludicrous. If that happened, then surely he should be banned. If the top 5 of every tournament was also Meta? Then he should be banned. Right now, though? Other characters are competing. Maybe this will change in the future, but until it does, serious talks of banning are in the realm of the scrub, plain and simple.
Hobo 11 wasn't full of 7th graders complaining about CG though. half of the people here where out of state do you think scrubs travel out of state? No one cares when scrubs complain if they did Fox and Sheik would have been banned. This time its more than scrubs though.
Hummmmm....... well, that's an interesting angle. So I guess you're saying that MK should be banned because he's so easy to pick up and bring to a level of play competitive with other characters that require months of hard work and still end in a disadvantageous matchup.
I'm saying that 3 of the top 8 spots being non-MK may indicate that non-MK characters have a reasonable chance of beating MKs at tournaments. If MK is always getting the top 3 spots, that seems a little broken, but less so if it's generally the same three people who are always getting those top three spots
but brinboy..... you are........ so attractive.......
its an entirely different matter. if they actually went to tourneys, that means they play the game. if they dont play it, well, then they dont play it. and if he spends his time argueing on a game that he doesnt even play, then all of his time and posts would rather be pointless. AKA i laff at him because he wasted his time. not as in insult.
umm....why thank you?Hummmmm....... well, that's an interesting angle. So I guess you're saying that MK should be banned because he's so easy to pick up and bring to a level of play competitive with other characters that require months of hard work and still end in a disadvantageous matchup.
It's a tempting line of reasoning, really, given the circumstances.
I think it's wrong to ban a character because he's "too easy".... but maybe there's a limit to this?
I'm saying that 3 of the top 8 spots being non-MK may indicate that non-MK characters have a reasonable chance of beating MKs at tournaments. If MK is always getting the top 3 spots, that seems a little broken, but less so if it's generally the same three people who are always getting those top three spots
In particular, the 3 non-MKs who made it so high up... obviously they should have had to fight a lot of MKs to get there, and they won. So somehow they're able to achieve something that is claimed to be unreasonably hard. Maybe you're right, they're just exceptionally smart so they're playing at a higher level than their competitors. I could become convinced of this, and agree with a ban. But if many different people are able to beat enough MKs to get so high up, while the same old MK mains are consistently at the top.... that could indicate a ban is not necessary. It's quite iffy, and will require solid ban criteria and the SBR's careful discretion.
but brinboy..... you are........ so attractive.......
lol k I dunno why but the way you worded that made me lol
Actually, yes, they do. Traveling doesn't make you immune to scrub-dom.
I think you're confused. Scrubbery is not a state of necessarily being bad at the game, though it often is the case that scrubs are bad. Being a scrub means you try to alter the game as a reaction to losing, basically forcing other people to play in a way where maybe you won't lose so bad.
They did fight a lot of MKS but IMO the top 8 are at a level of there own. Fighting MKs at the level of there own stopped them from going higher. I don't think its always the same 3 MKs as well.Hummmmm....... well, that's an interesting angle. So I guess you're saying that MK should be banned because he's so easy to pick up and bring to a level of play competitive with other characters that require months of hard work and still end in a disadvantageous matchup.
It's a tempting line of reasoning, really, given the circumstances.
I think it's wrong to ban a character because he's "too easy".... but maybe there's a limit to this?
Its not because hes to easy its because hes to strong like you said.
I'm saying that 3 of the top 8 spots being non-MK may indicate that non-MK characters have a reasonable chance of beating MKs at tournaments. If MK is always getting the top 3 spots, that seems a little broken, but less so if it's generally the same three people who are always getting those top three spots
In particular, the 3 non-MKs who made it so high up... obviously they should have had to fight a lot of MKs to get there, and they won. So somehow they're able to achieve something that is claimed to be unreasonably hard. Maybe you're right, they're just exceptionally smart so they're playing at a higher level than their competitors. I could become convinced of this, and agree with a ban. But if many different people are able to beat enough MKs to get so high up, while the same old MK mains are consistently at the top.... that could indicate a ban is not necessary. It's quite iffy, and will require solid ban criteria and the SBR's careful discretion.
Dude, stop double-posting. There's an Edit button on all your posts; instead of double-posting, just add to the bottom of your most recent post.
Good points, that's quite possible. But I'm not sure what to do about them, then. If you're saying we can't reliably look at the top 8 national tournament rankings because these people are anomalous...... but wait, we're only supposed to be considering the highest level of play when considering a ban. If the very best two or three people use MK, and a handful of others achieve just below them with non-MK characters, it's hard to know if they're all playing at the highest level and held back by the characters, or if they're just not quite as good as the top players, but still above everyone else. I mean, suddenly we're trying to draw conclusions about ban-worthiness from the performance of only a handful of people that can soar above all competition regardless of character.
I hadn't put it quite that well, but I think I'll be saying that now >.>Hummmmm....... well, that's an interesting angle. So I guess you're saying that MK should be banned because he's so easy to pick up and bring to a level of play competitive with other characters that require months of hard work and still end in a disadvantageous matchup.
It's a tempting line of reasoning, really, given the circumstances.
I think it's wrong to ban a character because he's "too easy".... but maybe there's a limit to this?
...no screw you man
i keep on double posting because after i post i see another message that i didnt see before >.< i know how to multiquote. duh im using it.
Kind of funny how the conditions you listed before are very close to being met though.
The Multiquote button and the Edit button are different.
And if they are, then consider a ban. But they are not met.
I didnt' say they got there by being butt-hurt, but their position does not mean they're somehow immune to the emotions surrounding defeat. Have you ever seen the ****-talk and johns that goes on among some of these top players? Have you read an argument between regions before? It gets pretty ridiculous.
But I'm not the one calling for the ban, am I? Keep in mind I'm using the "Playing to Win" definition of the scrub, not the one that people use for ****-talk.
You mean you're using the redefined, Sirlin-only meaning rather than the term's actual meaning.
I believe I saw it suggested to just add a few frames of lag after most of his attacks. That seems reasonable to me.
this isn't world of warcraft.
We can still look at the top 8 I'm just telling you why 1 or 2 aren't MKs. If you don't want to look at the top 8 though we can just look at the top 3. they are now all MKs at this point.
Why isn't MK only winning money not a condition though? all of the top 3 have been MKs now. Why isn't 4/5 good enough as well? 100-0 matches should not be the only things that call for bans.
We got a "No Tripping" code. We figured out how to remove tripping from the game. We can mod characters eventually.
We could, but we won't. At least not for tournaments.
Tripping is easy to fix but has other issues that come with using hacked wiis.
it's not such a hard thing to do, imo. tone down mk's recovery and give him more lag, fix snake's f tilt so it's not so broken in every way, adjust chain-grab/grab-release infinites, etc etc etc.
I just don't see TOs going for that
Well i just dont see people doing that is not a valid argument, it is perfectly feasable with little to no input required. Mk without his bmoves suddenly becomes a balanced character without being banned >.> Best solution? To me unless someone can proves zaf's idea wrong, then yes.
Everyone won't be better against MK after reintroducing him. The only result will possibly be that MK mains have to bring their game back up to where it currently was at the time of the ban. A ban on MK should imply the following:
For clarification puffball is espy
The fact remains that a skilled player needed outside knowledge. So people shouldn't complain that MK is "too easy" to win with. The player is still very much a factor in MK's ability to win matches.
Marth could lose to Mewtwo in melee if the Marth player didn't know how to fight Mewtwo.
Why yes, the current tier list.
