ArcPoint
Smash Lord
"Play MK or lose" That implies no chance of winning with any other character than Metaknight. I don't think it's possible for MK to 100:0 the whole cast even in the future...
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It is, but I'm just curious.Isn't this the question Yuna has been answering all this time?
he's been throwing pot shots in her direction for pages upon pages, yeah.Wait, Yuna brought Sarah Palin into this thread?
How is it faulty when the rules set forth made it a valid answer? You can't stipulate one single rule, then add to it and state that the answer I gave in between the two events was faulty when it wasn't at the time that I submitted itso you're going to willingly and knowingly put out a faulty answer?
I think he's gettting there but is not there yet. Regardless, it's too early, IMO.not necessarily. i believe mk is ban material, but i think we should give the metagame more time. i feel very uneasy about the whole thing, but as it stands, he falls within my definitions of what should be banned.
Sarah Palin is a public figure, a "celebrity". The rules do not prohibit us from "ad homineming" celebrities who aren't here to defend themselves. Besides, I didn't ad hominem her (I think, did I call her names or call her stupid? I don't think so). I tied some users' behaviors to hers when they corresponded.doesn't matter. i never even called you a name or anything, i just said you have a "displeasing personality." that said, you've attacked sarah palin multiple times in this thread. while she's not here and i'm DEFINITELY not a supporter of her, that pretty handily relinquishes you of your right to complain about flaming. imo, anyway.
I believe I mentioned her... twice?he's been throwing pot shots in her direction for pages upon pages, yeah.
also:
This is where the elaboration "No character, or at least very, very few of them, stand a reasonable chance of beating X-character" comes in."Play MK or lose" That implies no chance of winning with any other character than Metaknight. I don't think it's possible for MK to 100:0 the whole cast even in the future...
Because it's too early and/or they have yet to actually prove that he's ban-worthy? Trying to =/= Actually managing to.On the other side, if there is indeed a flocking to MK with the sole purpose of proving that he's ban-worthy, then why wait?
O... K...On the other side, I've always despised Meta Knight (even before Brawl), and nothing would please me more than to see him banned.
Popularity...That, and it'd make a fresh change, considering all the MKs that I had to weave through at a tournament I played at last month...
I saw Republicanesque, McCainesque and Palinesque behavior in this thread and called it as I saw it.I'm a little surprised Palin's here, I thought Palin was a topic he used specifically in political PMs with me, I didn't realize he brought her up elsewhere with frequency.
Anyway - I don't think MK should be banned outright because, well he is fun to play. But OS is correct, MK is always the best choice in double blinds. Kinda defeats the purpose of a "double blind," and may destroy an entire system of tournament, if everyone is "playing to win."
and i rebutted it. response?How is it faulty when the rules set forth made it a valid answer? You can't stipulate one single rule, then add to it and state that the answer I gave in between the two events was faulty when it wasn't at the time that I submitted it
you definitely mentioned her more than twice. don't ask me to prove it.Sarah Palin is a public figure, a "celebrity". The rules do not prohibit us from "ad homineming" celebrities who aren't here to defend themselves. Besides, I didn't ad hominem her (I think, did I call her names or call her stupid? I don't think so). I tied some users' behaviors to hers when they corresponded.
I believe I mentioned her... twice?
Sorry, it was more rhetorical, rather than me actually asking. I've been keeping up with the thread, so I know why.Because it's too early and/or they have yet to actually prove that he's ban-worthy? Trying to =/= Actually managing to.
Don't worry, I'm not going to let my hate ever blind my judgment...or am I? >O... K...
They can play MK all they want, and win all the money in the world...Popularity...
I lol'd.I saw Republicanesque, McCainesque and Palinesque behavior in this thread and called it as I saw it.
This was the first time I did it, though.
Puffball64;5506718 On the other side said:aboit 80-85% of MK mainers are tierwhores.
For the record - High tiers are fun.aboit 80-85% of MK mainers are tierwhores.
i know, i've literally skipped entire consecutive pagesMan these multi-quote walls are making me laugh. The more the quotes the less I want to read them.
i didnt go on smashboards for a day and a half and this thread advanced 50 pages.i know, i've literally skipped entire consecutive pages
Believe it, sister.I can't believe OS actually said something like that.
------------MK weaknesses are that he is light, has no projectile, vulnerable after using all of his b moves, weak attacks in general, slow aerial movement. MK's range matches of marths.
2 things:lol like, shtornado keep on pressing b and weave in and out of opponent to cause massive amounts of pain? maybe but if you keep on doing it it will become predictable. i rarely use the tornado anyways
Let's add Tornado to that list then. Tornado as an optional part of MK's gameplay, rather than being a more 'required' move to use.Side-B is probably the most vulnerable, but like you said, it's rarely used. It's like bringing up how to punish Ike's F-smash. Down-B is slightly vulnerable, but again, it's rarely used, and if you don't attack, you have less lag out of it.
yes, but this new character will not overshadow the other characters stat-wise like mk has done. He has a much bigger gap between the other characters than the next character in line.If you ban MK the chances are another character will rise to the top, then what? Lets ban that character also?
the problem is, it DOES have to do with gameplay. well not mine, but apparently most of the MK mainers out there. apparently them spam tornado like theres no tomorrow, or at least use it alot, which is one major petition for the MK banoriginal post:
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2 things:
- I used the 'weaving in and out' [at a low height] example to address your statement about how his specials are vulnerable during their fall, or something like that. Tornado doesn't necessarily have to be for damage. Disruption, pressure, it's all there. Oh, and if it hits, you can just use it to launch people up for a juggle.
- You said you rarely use the tornado anyway. I've also played/watched some MK's that also rarely use tornado. They did pretty well. Hm.
I guess tornado isn't even that necessary of a "staple" in MK's game.
Let's add Tornado to that list then. Tornado as an optional part of MK's gameplay, rather than being a more 'required' move to use.
So... your statement about the specials' falls being vulnerable now has less weight going for it. Side-B is "rarely used", so its falling state is not very often presented to take advantage of in the first place. Down-B is generally "rarely used", and it's usually aimed towards the ground anyway, so fall-state is irrelevant. And since Tornado is a move that MK can apparently live without, I guess it's a situation that's easily circumvented if the player doesn't use it much anyway.
Why bring up weaknesses that aren't apparent in actual gameplay?
snake. hes 300 points above every char in tourneys cept for MK. his slow moves suck and his fast moves = brokenIf you ban MK the chances are another character will rise to the top, then what? Lets ban that character also?
Didn't you read the thread before posting?If you ban MK the chances are another character will rise to the top, then what? Lets ban that character also?
So the people saying MK is beatable believe that DK would be a soft counter for him right? How is it that the best DK gets beat by a decent guy who has used MK for 2 weeks.Inui played MK for only 2 weeks and beat Bum (Probably the best DK there is)... there is your learning curve for MK.
Being easy to use is irrelevant. It only adds to his popularity.Inui played MK for only 2 weeks and beat Bum (Probably the best DK there is)... there is your learning curve for MK.
That's what I did!! =DBeing easy to use is irrelevant. It only adds to his popularity.
Lord forbid somebody practice the match-up.
I don't think thats what Ussi was getting at. Sure MK is easy to learn but if the best DK gets beat by a guy who has used MK for 2 weeks then the match up isn't very neutral.Being easy to use is irrelevant. It only adds to his popularity.
Lord forbid somebody practice the match-up.
Did Yuna hijack your account? LMFAOBeing easy to use is irrelevant. It only adds to his popularity.
Lord forbid somebody practice the match-up.
So can we conclude some reasons as to why MK should be banned instead of arguing over semantics and diction?
1-Matchup Analysis
2-MK domination tournament placings. Leading to MK dittos and MK placing top of the top in tournament placings.
Well, you see...So the people saying MK is beatable believe that DK would be a soft counter for him right? How is it that the best DK gets beat by a decent guy who has used MK for 2 weeks.
source: http://smashboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=5467253ddd bowser DK can never escape [the tornado], [...]
So basicly what your saying is if the MK goes all out he has no neutral match ups. Lets just tell people to hold back from winning 1000$ then.Someone did report that when Inui tried to fight those better players in a "non-cheap" way, he'd usually get beaten until he'd spam the tornado, to which there seemed to be no defense against. "He would use it as carelessly as an approach, often spamming it 7 to 8 times in a row~"