Actually the game only forces you to have 2 players choose a character. You never have to change it to stock or turn items off, not even choose a stage you can just hit start and go random.
No not specifically choosing is making a decision, it's accepting the default option when you choose not to change the default settings on a game.
This part actually supports some of the ban MK argument.
Not at all, MK is not a competitive standard, he requires a specific ban, therefore the criteria is far more stringent.
praxis the problem is you are winning 2nd place in a ****ty region with no good players
same with overswarm
we could send one of 30 players from our region to yours and they would beat your god awful metaknight and win your god awful tournaments
Lack of an independent measure, you say that they're not good players because they come from a region with no good players.
But if they themselves are good players then their region has good players which allows other players to be good, etc.
Without actually fighting them, you can't be sure that they're not good players, because your measure depends on pre-existing good players. So... without acknowledge good players, nobody can be in a region with good players, therefore cannot be good themselves. Because this requires a good player before there can be any other good players, there can never be any good players...
Yeah, doesn't work.
Anyway, you don't need outside acknowledged good players to be good. Though this rarely happens, a small group of friends dedicated to playing to win can become top-leveled players without ever attending a tournament, it's just more difficult (the internet helps though).
i just want to tell ppl who dont know, what ARENT the reasons items were banned.
go to SRK, from what i know the majority of them defended item play to the death.
they said, "hey if its random, than you just have to get good enough to deal with things that much faster."
and "If you are in control of the stage to begin with, you deserve to get those powerups anyway. And if you are good enough as a player, you can counteract and avoid the powerups that your opponent gets."
items are NOT auto win, yes they give random advantages, but the items have been proven to distribute themselves evenly to both players, giving them the exact same chances of getting those items..
as a matter of fact the game was suspected to have a self evening system that is made to help the losing player which just makes teh game that much even, and in that case item play is AN EVEN BETTER display of skill because if the game is subconsciously helping your opponent. and if you can defeat your opponent under those circumstances, there should be absolutely no debate on who the better player is.
man up get better and start playing with items. if you are skilled enough and have enough stage control, items play should be the ultimate test of skill
if you can play with metaknight, you can play with items.
you cant have your cake an eat it too.
pick one or the other
Items are a better DISPLAY of skill, but that's not what we're looking for. We're looking for the more skilled player to win as often as possible, and items run counter to that.
Granted, amortized (basically over the REALLY long term, think lim x->infinity tests), they DO even out, but we're not concerned about amortized games. We're concerned about each individual game.
Basically, if it take more skill to win consistently in one standard then in another, then pick then pick the one that requires less. We're looking for any skill difference to shine as much as possible.
I personally think the #1 reason we do not use high/low gravity and that kind of stuff is defninitely...
We're just too lazy. Or perhaps the right word is practical?
There are hundreds of possibilities, of which our current system is only one of them. There's a VERY GREAT chance our current settings do not create the best atmosphere that is possible with Brawl. However, who's going to look through the hundred or so special combinations of special rules? Add in damage ratio, and it becomes thousands, add in custom stages and we're looking at billions.
If you'd prefer to go through all of them, be our guest. Except to gain an accurate survey, we need a commitee to look at this and then have them vote. If the SWF actively tried even the special brawl possiblities, the sheer time it would take is detrimental, and much of the current progress would be lost.
But alas, I have gone off-topic and no one was even really arguing this.
Anyway, does anyone know how to stop a negative positive feedback loop?
wait a minute, how can something be both positive and...
That is of course a valid point, but they might be worth looking into. Not every single one of course, but ones that look like they might accomplish specific things that are useful to us.
Furthermore, inherent difficulties with the entire class make it easy to disqualify the entire class (items of any sort for example).
