The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[XACE-K]

Anyone mind explaining to me why DK is high tier and Toon Link is top of medium? I've been gone from the brawl scene (melee and ssb64 ftw) and I just don't get how DK got so high and Toon Link got pretty low >_>

I'm guessing because Toon Link has trouble getting KOs and DK got buffed from Melee.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

bowser isn't in brawl

 

[Deleted member]

Sonic is bottom tier?

Tiers R 4 Queers!

Also, I find it ironic that the Captain is also bottom tier. I guess it's safe to say that it's Rick Wheeler.

 

[Collective of Bears]

bowser isn't in brawl

Seriously, though, Gimpy, have you abandoned Bowser?

 

[Mmac]

This is gonna have such a negative effect on the lower characters meta-games lol.
Why bring out a list just as characters are developing?
They shouldn't, but people will see this as 'omg solid gold truth!' and so will ignore lower characters and bandwagon to 'better' characters, slowing down the lower characters metagame because people won't use them, creating an unneccessary bigger gap between the two groups.
So yeah, kudos to you guys ruining the prospects of these 'worse characters' at an early stage.
It's far too early to bring out a list.

What he said.

Not only that, but you make it sound like Yoshi is a ****ing joke in Singles Tournament Play.

Even Matchup against MetaKnight, 0% Kills against Snake/Falco, Early Development of WaveDashing, and he still ends up 6th worst.

I'll be in the Car -_ -

 

[BoTastic!]

Chillun's was more accurate -_- Brawl isn't as balanced as these groups show it.

 

[Collective of Bears]

What he said.

I disagree. Even though it might be a bit soon for a Tier List, I think that gap effect will still happen regardless of when the list is released.

 

[~rh]

Paunch! ;_;

 

[Kinzer]

Wow some of the placements really caught me off gaurd.

I will bring Ike glory!

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

Middle
Bowser
Luigi
Ike
Shiek

Low
Lucas
Pokemon Trainer

*Grumble*
My main is Lucas and I secondary Ivysaur...-_-

It won't stop me from playing them, just wasn't expecting Lucas to be this low...

On the other hand though...

Top
ROB

High
Diddy
Pikachu
Kirby
Pit

All the others I enjoy playing are up top. I've got a even spread with my characters. Maybe I will actually start looking for some tournaments again.

 

[M3D]

Sonic is bottom tier?

Actually no. Sonic is LOW tier. There is no bottom tier yet.

 

[Stroupes]

Yes! Granny is above Falcon. This is a day of victory
But, if only PT were higher. D:

Also. Yoshi above Jiggly?
Saywhaaa?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

m3d there is a typo in number 2 ;P

 

[Kanzaki]

Mario's so low =[

 

[ColinJF]

It looks like this tier list will enable me to use my high tier character in low tier tournaments... talk about unfair for the other entrants. By the way Ness is so much better than Lucas... it isn't even close. Placing them side by side (and Lucas above Ness) suggests an unfamiliarity with both characters.

That's not the real reason I'm posting though. If you recall the "Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussion" thread, this was said:

In the SBR the most active thread was entitled "Brawl Tiers". Yes, we're discussing tiers already. Does that mean a tier list is coming out soon? Absolutely not. Wait a year before asking when it will come out.

Did you guys change your mind on that or is this thread meant as some sort of social experiment?

 

[F3ma Ch33f]

Wow the tier list came out faster than I expected o.0

 

[Yukiwarashi]

D=

Don't worry PT and TL....one day you guys will make it into Middle and High! X(

 

[Meleeruler]

This was fun. Let's do it again.

 

[Fletch]

It looks like this tier list will enable me to use my high tier character in low tier tournaments... talk about unfair for the other entrants. By the way Ness is so much better than Lucas... it isn't even close.

If this is so true, then prove it by your play and results.

 

[Shadow Light Master]

Oh God there's so many n00bs at GameFAQs getting all pissy. It's good to know the Smash Back Room decided to release the tier list early. However, I have to ask about some things. Toon Link is mostly Middle because there's not a lot of tourney data with him, right? The only real problems I see with him is that he has a hard time finishing sometimes and his spacing isn't as good as Marth's.

What exactly is the formula for calculating the tier list anyway?

Once again, thanks SBR for releasing the tier list early.

 

[Snail]

Olimar that low? :/

Guess I don't really mind, but yeah. Didn't expect it...
In fact, I disagree with most of the list, but whatever. It'll probably change anyway...

 

[Retro Gaming]

Pokemon Trainer is that high?

 

[Wölf]

DDD Top Tier, nice.

I didn't main him because of that, honest. The first week or so that Brawl was out I fell in love with him

 

[zrky]

WOW, I really like it Im not gonna complain about yoshi, because the poor guy seems to get that from allot of people but I do agree with every character in the way they are placed.

 

[XACE-K]

This was fun. Let's do it again.

What he said. Do the opposite of this tier list and let's see the reactions.

 

[-Jumpman-]

If this is so true, then prove it by your play and results.

It doesn't mean he is good. He was talking about Ness. And the lack of interest in Ness by a lot of players causes the bad results.

 

[Stroupes]

Pokemon Trainer is that high?

No. He's that low.

 

[JTB]

It's a shame that TL is lower than I expected, but its not surprising. TL players are rare to come across, so you don't really see them placing at tournaments.

More the reason for me to use him more

 

[Shadow Light Master]

Woah, fast thread. Let me repost my question. >.>

Oh God there's so many n00bs at GameFAQs getting all pissy. It's good to know the Smash Back Room decided to release the tier list early. However, I have to ask about some things. Toon Link is mostly Middle because there's not a lot of tourney data with him, right? The only real problems I see with him is that he has a hard time finishing sometimes and his spacing isn't as good as Marth's.

What exactly is the formula for calculating the tier list anyway?

Once again, thanks SBR for releasing the tier list early.

 

[kr3wman]

Oh God there's so many n00bs at GameFAQs getting all pissy. It's good to know the Smash Back Room decided to release the tier list early. However, I have to ask about some things. Toon Link is mostly Middle because there's not a lot of tourney data with him, right? The only real problems I see with him is that he has a hard time finishing sometimes and his spacing isn't as good as Marth's.

What exactly is the formula for calculating the tier list anyway?

Once again, thanks SBR for releasing the tier list early.

I would guess something like this

 

[Collective of Bears]

No. He's that low.

No, he's a Pokemon Trainer.

Seriously, though, I really don't like that they lumped them all into one character. Ivysaur for Top Tier.

 

[zrky]

No. He's that low.

I agree with the that low

 

[Shadow Light Master]

I would guess something like this

Is that really it? So all he really needs is more tourney results? >_> I'm guessing if he's used more, my prediction is he will move up to High Tier with Pika.

EDIT: Why aren't people using Toon Link? He's such a mofo.

 

[Serris]

I think they grouped PT as one character because of the fatigue system. Makes it basically impossible to main just ONE of the Pokeys.

I'm disappointed at Samus's placement on that list. I was hoping for low-middle.

 

[ColinJF]

If this is so true, then prove it by your play and results.

I'm a big fan of evidence in general, but your request is pretty silly. Brawl tournaments are so infrequent here that even if I get Ness points for Ankoku's list (and I have gotten him points) they will be removed (because of the two month cut off) before there is even another tournament. In fact there isn't even another Brawl tournament in sight and the last one was nearly two months ago, heh.

Also, the particular claim you quoted was about low tier tournaments, and there haven't been any of those yet, since there hasn't been a generally accepted tier list. That being said I do play to win, so having a high tier character in a low tier tournament is not something I will pass up the chance to exploit if there is another Brawl tournament around here.

Also, as the first post says, this isn't based only on tournament results. I could write a lengthy explanation justifying my comment from a theoretical point of view, but I don't think anybody is too interested, and it's in my interests to have an advantage in low tier tournaments anyway.

As I said above, placing Ness and Lucas side by side (and Lucas above Ness) suggests a lack of familiarity with both characters. It would be like placing Mario and Luigi side by side with Mario above Luigi.

 

[cutter]

WHOA I didn't notice this went up. I was reading about how Sensei's Diving Top just got banned in the extended format for MTG -_-

Very good first draft guys. I think in the future MK will get his own tier and I can see the bottom tier forming already.

I would like to know why DDD is above G&W though.

 

[ShadowDragonG]

...Kirby. <3
That's all.

 

[Chaco]

Hopefully I can continue to evolve Yoshi's meta games with my discoveries and push Yoshi up higher on that list.

 

[Stroupes]

Wow, they're having a fit over at GameFAQs. XDD
It's almost sad. I think I even saw one who said that Yoshi was low on THIS list because his "wavedash was bad" ?
> >;
I hope I read wrong.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Dedede > G&W?
Lies.

Bowser was interesting though.