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GIMPED 1 (Feb 22 2009): 5th out of 38 http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=222585
Ok, Jash I was one point off. Could have sworn we got 4th though.
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I doubt it. She has so many crippling flaws that her awesome projectile game, her sexy ZAir and her good survability won't help her much. :/
That was the amateur bracket
Yea that's what it was.
Forgive my ignorance, but what are the huge crippling flaws (besides lack of killing ability)? Her roll sucks and her grab is slow as all getup, I guess. At least all of her aerials autocancel.
I do tend to agree. I was really really surprised at Xyro's placing at Hobo 16 (the MK banned tourney; in before "that tourney doesn't matter!!1"). Not that Samus is amazing or anything.
Rhetorical, aren't we?
Not Many Samus players out thieir doing thier thing. It seems cause a character is not like how they use to be in melee, they don't wanna bother, so people just don't pay no mind to them. Like Shiek. In melee, OMG so many damm shieks. Now look at the population of shiek.
What do you mean?Rhetorical, aren't we?
Your question isn't even a question anymore when used in DDD/Samus discussions, people just say "How does Samus far against DDD?" when they want to win, since smallstep CG hurts her so much... And they can stop before 300% to avoid stalling disqualifications (depending on what tourney they're in, of course, or if it's even a tourney at that).
Isn't the DDD Samus infinite similar to the Mario/Luigi one (you can break out by mashing until you get up towards kill percents)? I thought it was only a TRUE infinite on Bowser/DK/DDD?Your question isn't even a question anymore when used in DDD/Samus discussions, people just say "How does Samus far against DDD?" when they want to win, since smallstep CG hurts her so much... And they can stop before 300% to avoid stalling disqualifications (depending on what tourney they're in, of course, or if it's even a tourney at that).
So, rhetorical because no one can beat the real answer: Samus vs DDD = pretty much a bad matchup.
Dont worry, I wasn't offending you in any way, I was agreeing with your post.
Lack of killing ability is pretty huge and a pretty big understatement; her killing ability is so bad that every opponent she fights is as survivable as she is, basically negating one of the best things about her. She's also generally very slow and weak with her projectile game (including the tether attack) not being nearly good enough at keeping people out to make up for how much she suffers once they get in. In general, Samus has a lot of mediocre to bad moves as well, meaning in almost every situation she's more limited than the other character (assuming the other character is a highly tiered character). Her completely terrible roll (worst in the game) certainly does her no favors, but she has a lot more fundamental problems. Really, you can just look at the list of "things that are good about Samus", and it's clear it's a lot shorter than the list for most characters. Also, King Dedede gets extra long chaingrabs on her (though only infinite if you are at high damage or poor at grab breaking); that's just another extra problem she has. For super fun trivia, did you know her pummel whiffs on Bowser? Yeah, really; poor Samus.
I think you should cool it. I never said I was an expert at them or use thse characters like that. I'm talking from my point of view, and if people wanna correct me on it they can. Idc. I'm talking about from what I been through and seen. And Please stop assuming I always play at low level. You don't know who I have played or where I have been. Thank You.
Agreed. And even a grab or two every match won't ruin Wario, he's just there playing pseudo-defensively, racking up damage slowly, waiting out the timer until it's time to make some action, then kill with a normal kill move OR a surprise waft (killing way earlier than any other attack, and WAY more unexpected too). His game is seriously too good to be affected by just a grab release issue.
Well, for me it doesn't make much difference, since I have pretty much exactly the same tone of voice all the time, and thus I have to be extra careful of what I say. And that pays off when it comes to the internet. Of course, people could always just say something like /rant or /sarcasm to get their poitn across.
Marked the wrong things about Bowser with Red.
She's fun and fancy as hell, just don't go in there thinking Samus is an unbeatable, underrated character that you're going to place extremely well with.
I thought people said that Jigglypuff has a decent matchup against Meta Knight.
Just look at the tourney results.
tis bothers me aswell
I am done with tournies remember? and i don't think I would be like Xyro. Peach is my strongest point in this game. But with all the stuff I am just tossing out there with her and some mindgames, this character is freaking fun. I love edgeguarding with her.
She's got a lot stuff she can do if the Metaknight doesn't space well. But if he camps with spaced fairs and uses a lot of upb out of shield, it can really be quite hard to get in on him to do some damage. It's similar to the Wario-MK matchup in that regard, I think.
You said Smashfest, so I was only assuming...
I'm in the same boat as you, I have a buttload of fun using Samus! She's definitely my low tier main, followed by Jigglypuff. I hated her at first seeing as how she got nerfed gruesomely, but i got used to it and now love her here anyways.
That sort of happens when you have a completely metagame defining character.
Actually, Ike's Jab is amazing, but Bowser's Fortress is just that much more amazing.
Same with me and Ganondorf.
That's how it felt with Peach when i first touched her in brawl with her nerfs. But I did not let it bother me. I just worked with what I had and not waste time crying about {each's nerfs like the others did and quit her.
I was using Kirby in Melee as my tertiary, because I refused to abandon him when he was my main in SSB64 (i used him because I like Kirby games. Don't judge me!).
