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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0
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Kirby doesn't do alright against ICs. No way to approach through desynched Blizzards and a hard time seperating them makes them one of Kirby's hardest match-up's.
Wario, Pika and Marth aren't that bad and I'm still not convinced about MK either. Snake and G&W are extremely hard but Kirby does fine vs Falco and Diddy so it's not like he's screwed against Top tiers..
Kirby does better against Snake, Olimar, Marth and Diddy than G&W does, that's for sure.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Kirby does pretty badly against ZSS, too. 60:40 is being pretty nice, if ZSS camps hard enough Kirby cannot get inside. Pretty good (although old and maybe a little lopsided) example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgnC7X4v4GE
With that said, Kirby can do some pretty amazing damage once he gets inside, but he really shouldn't if ZSS plays the game right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgnC7X4v4GE
With that said, Kirby can do some pretty amazing damage once he gets inside, but he really shouldn't if ZSS plays the game right.
Snail
Smash Lord
Olimar boards have just re-discussed Kirby and agreed on a 60/40 advantage for Olimar. Kirby doing better against Oli than G&W does is madness, G&W is much harder >_>.
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Wario: No. It's not bad. At all. >_>
Game and Watch: Bad matchup.
Marth: Terrible matchup. Kiriby literally can't do anything 90% of the time.
Pikachu: No. It's 55:45 without Pikachu's power. If it gets Thunder Jolt...yeah.
Snake: Bad matchup.
Dedede really isn't as easy as people would seem to think. On paper it seems like that matchup is extremely easy for Kirby to win but it's not. Grab combos, a pretty good KO move, good recovery, etc. However, Dedede just doesn't die. Kirby's only real reliable KO move on Dedede is FSmash and that move is far too easy to see coming. Grab combos from FThrow and DThrow can be DI'd. One of Kirby's best traits is his gimping ability, and you're not going to gimp a Dedede most of the time. Dedede just lives longer, has more range, and has more reliable KO moves from BThrow, DSmash, BAir, UpTilt, etc.
I think ICs are Kirby's worst matchup tied with Marth. You can 0-Death a Kirby with BThrow alone really easily. That's how easy it is to CG him.
Edit: Yeah, Kirby vs. Olimar. I think it was only in Kirby's advantage before very early in the game when Olimar mains didn't know how to get past his bad recovery. But now, it's just terrible to watch Kirby vs. Olimar. It's 60-40 in Olimar's advantage for sure.
Kirby Wario is probably 60:40 Wario. Too easy to run away from him.
Everything else sounds fine. Like I said earlier, the reason I said possibly Pika was because I've not seen many matches like that so I was just taking a guess, although 55:45 for either side sounds plausible.
I didn't think Olimar had the advantage, I actually put it at even because of CP stages, but looking at the starters Olimar looks like he wins most of them.
Everything else sounds fine. Like I said earlier, the reason I said possibly Pika was because I've not seen many matches like that so I was just taking a guess, although 55:45 for either side sounds plausible.
I didn't think Olimar had the advantage, I actually put it at even because of CP stages, but looking at the starters Olimar looks like he wins most of them.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Those accessories look fabulous on your avatar.
smashkng
Smash Lord
Three characters, maybe even four, hurts Marth. Though Marth can do grab release stuff in Meta Knight.
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
Marth can't win tournies.
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
I think Marth's fine where he is in A Tier.marth should be in S tier
BTW, I've just thought of something. Hypothetically, let's suppose that the DK players find a way to escape from D3's infinite (apart from the obvious 'punch the other guy in the face'). Whereabouts do you think he would be on the tier list? Assuming that absolutely nothing else about him has changed; his other strengths and weaknesses remain the same, but he can no longer be infinited.
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
DK got shafted on the tier list, anyway. The infinite should have had little to do with his placement.
He'd...be 2-3 spots higher, I guess.
He'd...be 2-3 spots higher, I guess.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
Well then neither can Dedede or Falco.
gm jack
Smash Lord
Marth gets ***** by MK too much. DDD has had consistently good tournament results, despite having a number of disadvantagous characters. However, MK is probably the most common character to see in tournaments, so it is unlikely a Marth can get far before reaching a couple of good ones.
I hope i can play you one day
so you can camp my kirby with ZSS
and i promise it wont work
edit: and you posted a vid of someone who is camping against someone who is known for turtling himself lol >_>
Neither Fiction, hunger, or I camp... and I'd say we do pretty well for ourselves.
A lot of the best players don't camp anyway, b/c they have the tools to win without doing so (Ally, M2K, Dojo, Zac [except vs DMG], Ninjalink, etc).
C.box
Smash Journeyman
The point wasn't about who had a better recovery, it was about that spacies in general get gimped hard not just wolf. And I know fox can cancel his side b also but go ahead and cancel fox's and then cancel wolf's you will see a huge difference.
I brought it up because against mk and marth once they get inside your camp their zoning basically shuts down most of your options, however with wolf you can actually zone back with his bair and AC fair an some other moves because of their range.
Oh also about people saying marth can't win tournaments
Mikehaze and darc have been winning tournaments using marth soo....?
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
Falco also gets ***** by MK pretty badly.
And don't forget that Marth has had pretty consistant tournament results too.
Lol lern2MikeHAZE.
Umby
Smash Master
Rise and Dancing Blade.
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
According to the MK boards, it's 55-45 in their favour. Hardly a **** matchup....
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
That proly needs to change then... the majority of marth players seem to believe it's atleast 40-60 for them. A lot feel it's worse.
I mean think about it, MK and Marth are built around the same idea: a fast swordsman. MK just has better tools than Marth, and a lot more options. So in this matchup the Marth player has to significantly outthink the MK to beat out his better options.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
That's because the MK's don't plank enough.
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
I was talking about Falco. I probably should have specified that.... As for Marth, I have no idea what the matchup is like, so I can't comment on it.
Marth vs MK probably 6/4. Like, Marth can play really defensive at times, but he REALLY cannot make many mistakes against MK.
MK vs Falco is flat out ******** if MK is allowed to plank. Like honestly it's not even close to fair. Without it I'd actually put MK vs Falco at a lesser 6/4 than Marth, like Falco would seem like a dead solid 6/4 while Marth is borderline 65/35.
MK vs Falco is flat out ******** if MK is allowed to plank. Like honestly it's not even close to fair. Without it I'd actually put MK vs Falco at a lesser 6/4 than Marth, like Falco would seem like a dead solid 6/4 while Marth is borderline 65/35.
Clai
Smash Lord
Brawl isn't fun without Ganon.i dont.
Dear Ganon boards:
STOP PLAYING GANON!
Love,
Kojin
We can use a lot more Ganons and a lot fewer projectile campers.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Really? Falco vs MK for top players has always seemed to me really close to even. Like just as even as Wario vs MK.
That is without planking of course. Falco just gets ***** by it.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
Ya it is pretty even without planking, but with...
He gets ***** too hard by everyone in s tier to be in s tier.marth should be in S tier
he loses to three of them and beats the rest of them
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
yea, but the two guys on the top of the list...
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
It's the official SBR list. Just like I can make a list and call it the official BengalsRZ tier list. There technically is not an official list. The SBR doesn't have the authority to declare anything official.
Morrigan
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This one .
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
The other one isn't a tier list. The other one consists entirely of facts and is a list based on who has the best tournament results.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Its not even at all even if the MK doesnt plank.
Its the same issue as is it is with Marth.
once the Marth/MK gets up close, Falco really has few options.
All he can do is camp.
Its the same issue as is it is with Marth.
once the Marth/MK gets up close, Falco really has few options.
All he can do is camp.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
But Marth does better against Falco's camping than MK.
JayBee
Smash Champion
true. it really suck balls that they made him so bad.
and marth is S tier, either that or im not playing gay enough.
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