The official "RATE MY KIRBY" and "HELP WITH A MATCHUP" thread!

[A1lion835]

Does dtilt's hitbox last long enough for us to fc him? I think it might...

 

[fromundaman]

If he does it twice MAYBE... It's not that slow, and I'm pretty sure it has IASA frames (though I could be wrong on that too.).

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

rate/watch/critique please. if you don't like the sound/music/whatever just mute it and listen to something else.
Uploaded in HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rubbsVvbNJM&feature=channel_page kirby-snake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5YxSNX4e8&feature=channel_page kirby - snake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJiLRf-A-M&feature=channel_page kirby - snake 3stockedpwn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2z9r9XoC4U&feature=channel_page kirby - marth

Well, in most of your matches you tended to spam utilt or uair when you were away from Snake, this isn't favorable because its kinda risky(almost everything he has can put an end to that). Kirby should stick to his opponent to make sure that they can't time attacks properly or think any strategies through, the goal is to stay on them to prevent any spam they might try to use against you.

Also, you might want to limit the use of the hammer on the ground(due to the immense lag if it misses) and the f-throw > hammer combo(only use it to mix things up). Make sure that every move counts, you don't want to become predictable with useless spam because that can cause some unfavorable results -_-

 

[fromundaman]

Well, in most of your matches you tended to spam utilt or uair when you were away from Snake, this isn't favorable because its kinda risky(almost everything he has can put an end to that). Kirby should stick to his opponent to make sure that they can't time attacks properly or think any strategies through, the goal is to stay on them to prevent any spam they might try to use against you.

My internet connection isn't good enough to load youtube atm, so I can't critique, but I do want to talk about what you just said.
What you just described was a strategy Sonics use, because they have the speed to do this. We don't. Always sticking to your opponent isn't always the best course. It can work, and when you start a string, keep at it until it stops working/you knock the opponent too far, and you should harass the enemy when they try to recover, but otherwise, I would suggest the opposite. Playing patiently/really gay/air-campy can be much more profitable if your up in % or stocks, and can foce the opponent to do things they don't want to do and/or make mistakes.

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

Playing patiently/really gay/air-campy can be much more profitable if your up in % or stocks, and can force the opponent to do things they don't want to do and/or make mistakes.

All of that is great and all, but he didn't take any of the actions you just said/pointed out! He just spammed utilt and uair in one spot(not going near Snake and wasn't even near him to begin with) and allowed Snake to throw grenades and etc.

 

[Arikie]

Thanks for the tips guys, I'll have better videos next time with many improvements. I especially learned a lot of things yesterday and those videos don't show what I've learned.

 

[jc_off_the_heezay]

Check out my Kirby.
Some matches were better then others.

http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?pid=754146

 

[Percon]

Check out my Kirby.
Some matches were better then others.

http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?pid=754146

Just by watching the first match vs marth...

Less rolling, more running.

More shield canceled grabs.

Downthrow >>> Bthrow against Marth

More back air if you need to keep your distance. Don't go directly above him too much either.

Work on your reaction so you can punish big mistakes with more than a grab.

Learn to do things out of dtilt other than another dtilt. It it doesn't trip them a lot of characters can hit you out of it.

If something doesn't work, don't keep doing it. And the Marth wasn't so hot for not predicting your repeated actions that did work.

You've still got a long way to go, but take all that into consideration - it's a start.

oh, and nice textures

 

[jc_off_the_heezay]

Just by watching the first match vs marth...

Less rolling, more running.

More shield canceled grabs.

Downthrow >>> Bthrow against Marth

More back air if you need to keep your distance. Don't go directly above him too much either.

Work on your reaction so you can punish big mistakes with more than a grab.

Learn to do things out of dtilt other than another dtilt. It it doesn't trip them a lot of characters can hit you out of it.

If something doesn't work, don't keep doing it. And the Marth wasn't so hot for not predicting your repeated actions that did work.

You've still got a long way to go, but take all that into consideration - it's a start.

oh, and nice textures

Thanks dude.
You should of seen the match against Link and other against C.Falcon. XDDD

 

[Shuzaku]

finally i get some vids up =D enjoy! critique!

Fogo(Dedede) vs Shuz(Kirby)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-oZBKcxq0

UTDZac (GW) vs Shuz(Kirby)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVohbIR9J-s

Shuz (Kirby) vs Fogo (Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4WpTkT0BF4
^ pretty old

UTD Zac and Shuz vs Ice and DPhat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9y3CNEokWE

Shuz(Kirby) vs PhoenixAlpha(Lucas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLujvdSnURQ

Shuz(Kirby) vs Bwett(DDD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu3hF9zznz8

Me 3 stocking Le_thien =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgI1LOHsVFs
^pretty embarassing =D

 

[fromundaman]

Shuz I watched those videos and more...

So here's what I have to say:

-Good Kirby!
-Stop rolling so much. Roll>Utilt is getting a little too predictable, as is Dtilt>Fsmash if you do it every time.
-Pummel when you grab. It helps refresh moves, especially when the opponent is at 100% or more. Keep in mind pummel has IASA frames so you can hit more, thus refresh more.
-You try way too hard to get kill moves at times, which leaves you wide open.
-Be careful with your jumps. Too many times you use too many of them offstage to chase and barely make it back.
-More Ftilt?
-Less cutter? (although apparently Bwett didn't want to punish it. His D3 wasn't too great though. His Yoshi's much better.)
-Learn what Kirby can do on each stage and abuse it. There's a lot of extra stuff you could have done on some of those stages (especially PS1), though that Ninja spike was nice.
-Zac's G&W combo was epic. Nothing to do with your Kirby, but it was so epic I had to mention it.
-Be less predictable. Look on the boards/experiment to see what follow ups work well in what situations, and learn to improvise with them so that you aren't always following the same moves up the same way.
-Keep in mind your inhale beats D3's, and that you don't need to go around his inhale: just jump in with your own.
-Learn to tech D3's and G&W's Dthrows.
-Vary your edgeguarding techniques a bit.
-That team match... I don't know what to think of it... You guys did some good things together, but at the same time made some pretty big mistakes that went unpunished (and MK killed himself once... never recover with SL from that far down!).

Still, GJ. Look around and look into what you're missing, and keep reppin the puff!

 

[kr3wman]

hey guys!

hey percon!

I got some new vids of a free tournament at a weekly, so critique away! I also have trouble in the falco matchup tips for that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CbAmp3oyQA vs MK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k2eMQcytW0&feature=related vs Samus (match starts at 7:05)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQ-JYRM9Ug&feature=related vs Falco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgs0va7OoHc&feature=channel vs Olimar (I know, I know, trying to swallow right in the middle of the stage is stupid, but one of my bad habits is completely forgetting about one random move every match with each character, and right in the middle of nowhere I use it just because I wasn't using it. it works with Snake's grenades, but not as much with Kirby. Also, I didn't think about trying to use it offstage to gimp him either. I'm a bad kirby )

 

[*JuriHan*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT5K84oDwt8&feature=channel_page

my first time ever using Kirby against a human opponent.

(I removed the guy from my friend list and quit fighting him after the match btw)

xD

 

[Kewkky]

I got some new vids of a free tournament at a weekly, so critique away! I also have trouble in the falco matchup tips for that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQ-JYRM9Ug&feature=related vs Falco

1) Improve on your spaced aerials. Spacing is CRUCIAL in Brawl, since it means you'll be hitting him when he's trying to hit YOU, and at a safe distance no less.

2) Prediction game (guessing what your opponent will do). If you're at a low %, he's going to try and grab you, so use this knowledge to your advantage. If you're at a high %, he's going to try and KO you, so start shielding/evading more, and play more defensively than normal.

3) Baiting. Get the falco to do things he shouldn't be doing, or things that would end up benefitting you in the end )like using reflector, or trying to grab you). Evading these the moment you think we hill do these will result in you being able to punish with whatever you wish (fsmash for reflector miss, grab/utilts for grab miss). Baiting also works when you want to ledgehop kirbycide (grab the ledge, press down+jump, then suck him in and fall to his doom/spit him out under the stage).

Those are the three I saw the most you needed work on. Mostly mindgames, so the more you play, the better you'll find yourself getting.

I'm a bad kirby

You're not a bad kirby, you just lack the reaction speed! A load more matches and you'll find yourself kicking some serious *** here and there, and your decisions will be swifter AND more precise, meaning you'll be landing almost all of your attacks with just a small amount of risks! So... Keep playing, you WILL get better before you know it!


SNOFY: Watch a couple of kirby vids, Asdioh and Chudat have a LOT of vids in YouTube (I have almost none, so...), some might give you ideas as to how you want your kirby to play like (my kirby is weird, you don't want to play like my present Kirby plays... Not that I suck or anything! )!

 

[kr3wman]

Thanks!

I do have bad reaction speed, but it's mostly lapses of concentration. I only get those in brawl... :/

Blah, I play more kirby instead of just messing around tomorrow then.

 

[Wiwiweb]

My turn !

These were frendlies after a tournament :
Match 1 : vs Dedede
Match 2 : vs Diddy Kong
This one was the last match of a 2on2 tournament's finals. Me and my friend had no teamwork at all. I'd like to have tips on how to improve our teamwork.
Match 3 : with Toon Link, vs Falco and Wolf

I know, the quality sucks because i don't have any real way to record my screen.
Here's the replays so you can see them full quality. Extract directly at the root of the SD card.

Thanks

 

[*JuriHan*]

Sup guys im really trying to learn Kirby. I posted a vid but no one really gave me any suggestions. Here is a more recent clip of me playing Kirby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XXDZGee0es&feature=channel_page

I know my Kirby has lots of room for improvement... lil' help? ;*

 

[thrillagorilla]

Sup guys im really trying to learn Kirby. I posted a vid but no one really gave me any suggestions. Here is a more recent clip of me playing Kirby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XXDZGee0es&feature=channel_page

I know my Kirby has lots of room for improvement... lil' help? ;*

I don't usually answer here, but give me a minute to look at the vid and I'll give you some feedback.

Edit: Ok, now that I've seen it...

The way you posted earlier makes me believe that this was wifi. Sorry if it isn't, but most of what I have to say would be the same regardless.

I love the gimp at the begining! f-stool>f-stool FTW!

Right off the bat, I noticed that you were being really aggressive. This Samus wasn't able to keep up (wifi johns?) but in a non-wifi match against someone that is used to Kirby you wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of style. Learn to pick your spots and punish accordingly, This Samus was full of them, so it is kind of hard to give an example...

Try not to approach with Final Cutter if at all possible. If you are next to the ledge, you can cancel it relatively safely by using the ledge. When the opponent is near it is usually the best option. One power-shield from your opponent can bring you a lot of pain if you don't ledge cancel FC.

1:30 : This is the kind of response I'm talking about when it comes to being too aggressive. You threw out an f-smash when you weren't even near the opponent, and got punished for it. I noticed that you used a good amount of f-smashes. In general, don't use them unless you know you are going to connect. In a lagless world, a missed f-smash screams "HIT ME!!!" and with Kirby's light weight, every percentage counts.

You have some really creative uses for Hammer! Try and keep it unpredictable like that. You already know the rewards if you connect.

2:00: You got lucky here. A good Samus would have likely taken advantage of you going off stage like that, maybe even spiked you for a loss of stock. I like your aggressiveness off stage, but try to be a bit more picky in when you decide to chase someone. If the opponent had been knocked a bit further away for example, you could have come up with a much better result. That kind of reading comes with experience, though, so no sweat.

One more thing... I like your willingness to use nair quite a bit. Its a good aerial with a long lasting hit-box. There were a number of places where bair would have been a much better choice, though. As a matter of fact, I don't remember you using bair at all. Its Kirby's best utility move. Play around with it in practice and see how it works, I think you'll like it.

All in all, not bad for a start! Just remember: more bair, less aggression and be more picky about your spots. GG!

 

[*JuriHan*]

I don't usually answer here, but give me a minute to look at the vid and I'll give you some feedback.

Edit: Ok, now that I've seen it...

The way you posted earlier makes me believe that this was wifi. Sorry if it isn't, but most of what I have to say would be the same regardless.

I love the gimp at the begining! f-stool>f-stool FTW!

Right off the bat, I noticed that you were being really aggressive. This Samus wasn't able to keep up (wifi johns?) but in a non-wifi match against someone that is used to Kirby you wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of style. Learn to pick your spots and punish accordingly, This Samus was full of them, so it is kind of hard to give an example...

Try not to approach with Final Cutter if at all possible. If you are next to the ledge, you can cancel it relatively safely by using the ledge. When the opponent is near it is usually the best option. One power-shield from your opponent can bring you a lot of pain if you don't ledge cancel FC.

1:30 : This is the kind of response I'm talking about when it comes to being too aggressive. You threw out an f-smash when you weren't even near the opponent, and got punished for it. I noticed that you used a good amount of f-smashes. In general, don't use them unless you know you are going to connect. In a lagless world, a missed f-smash screams "HIT ME!!!" and with Kirby's light weight, every percentage counts.

You have some really creative uses for Hammer! Try and keep it unpredictable like that. You already know the rewards if you connect.

2:00: You got lucky here. A good Samus would have likely taken advantage of you going off stage like that, maybe even spiked you for a loss of stock. I like your aggressiveness off stage, but try to be a bit more picky in when you decide to chase someone. If the opponent had been knocked a bit further away for example, you could have come up with a much better result. That kind of reading comes with experience, though, so no sweat.

One more thing... I like your willingness to use nair quite a bit. Its a good aerial with a long lasting hit-box. There were a number of places where bair would have been a much better choice, though. As a matter of fact, I don't remember you using bair at all. Its Kirby's best utility move. Play around with it in practice and see how it works, I think you'll like it.

All in all, not bad for a start! Just remember: more bair, less aggression and be more picky about your spots. GG!

thank you, this helps a lot.

 

[Purple]

I would greatly appreciate the help for rating my kirby :]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6ZkxPl4ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVLNc...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroUZ...eature=channel

 

[Kewkky]

I would greatly appreciate the help for rating my kirby :]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6ZkxPl4ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVLNc...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroUZ...eature=channel

Uhm... I think the same people that answered you in your topic, and in the "Kirby questions and answers thread!", are the ones looking at this post right here. o_o


... including me.

 

[Purple]

Uhm... I think the same people that answered you in your topic, and in the "Kirby questions and answers thread!", are the ones looking at this post right here. o_o


... including me.

i just thought i might as well post it here if my thread got locked XD

 

[fromundaman]

Okay, I'll look at it when I get time.

 

[Allied]

Anyone wanna help me out

Such a hard matchup for me personally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtSGD4f9QNU

Thoughts on the match

How i should improve

What to look out for

go

btw i know i sucided i've done better vs snakeee its just that was the tournament match

 

[Kewkky]

its k, we all kill ourselves every once in a while.

If you want to have an advantage vs ZSS, try not using any type of hammer. Bair comes out faster and is less punishable if you miss, plus throws her offstage setting up for gimps. Remember that she'll be tethering the ledge if you don't edgehog, and she'll use downB if you DO edgehog... So try a few dair>footstools. And if you edgehog and she uses downB and is about to footstool you in order to reach the stage, drop off before she footstools you, then fair her for an easy stagespike while she falls, failing the footstool.

You used utilt in a way you shouldn't in this matchup. I know it reaches in front of you, but grabs help more. Utilt her and follow up with bairs, don't follow up with reverse grabs... Bairs have a very high success rate of hitting compared to grabs, and they're also less punishable.

ZSS's weakness is that she has extremely few options on how to punish shields (her grab isn't known to be a good grab... I find it to be the WORST grab in Brawl, it even glitches and goes through opponents!). If you watch your shield and wait out her compos, she can't do much about it. Just make sure not to predict something when it's obvious something else will happen (if she uses dsmash and you shield, she'll follow up with something, don't drop your shield, or stay still at all).

UpB's aren't good approaches against a character who has the speed of a jaguar. Fail the upB and land on the stage and she'll destroy you. Fail the upB offstage and aim for the ledge, and if the opponent is fast enough, you'll find yourself punished mid-air. Uairs, fairs, bairs and dairs are all the aerial options you should be using... Mostly bairs and uairs.

Don't worry if you don't string too many hits together against her, every % counts. Hit her with any attacks, even if she's going to fly too far to follow up. Sooner or later, she'll have enough % for a killing blow (bair/fsmash/usmash/uthrow).

Can't help you out more than that, since I'm practically the only active ZSS mainer in PR, and also the only active Kirby mainer in PR...

 

[fromundaman]

Can't help you out more than that, since I'm practically the only active ZSS mainer in PR, and also the only active Kirby mainer in PR...

Isn't Dfat1 from PR?

 

[Kewkky]

what the...? Where's the reply I wrote here? ... ::looks for it in every topic before he looks like an even bigger fool::

DFat1 doesn't go to a lot of tourneys. In fact, he barely ever appears at any that I've seen (the PR tourney results almost never have his name in them). Of course, he IS a good kirby player, don't get me wrong! I meant what i said, and in different wording: I'm a more active kirby mainer than him. Never said I'm better, just to clarify! I'd rather not get into problems.

 

[fromundaman]

what the...? Where's the reply I wrote here? ... ::looks for it in every topic before he looks like an even bigger fool::

DFat1 doesn't go to a lot of tourneys. In fact, he barely ever appears at any that I've seen (the PR tourney results almost never have his name in them). Of course, he IS a good kirby player, don't get me wrong! I meant what i said, and in different wording: I'm a more active kirby mainer than him. Never said I'm better, just to clarify! I'd rather not get into problems.

Heh, no worries. I actually thought that A) I was completely wrong, or B) you two didn't know about the other.
Personally, I know next to nothing about PR players, so I can't say much.

 

[Kewkky]

Personally, I know next to nothing about PR players, so I can't say much.

Well, just to clarify: Kirby is Top Tier in PR, says me.

[/ego]

I just had the funniest match vs the only MK mainer in PR, ima see if I can upload it sometime onto Youtube, and onto the "Kirby Video Thread!" to contribute something.

EDIT: Actually, never mind... I just remembered the only camera that I can pass vids to the PC with, can save 30 seconds at a time. The one I usually save vids with, I lost the USB cable.... Sucks for me.

 

[Allied]

its k, we all kill ourselves every once in a while.

If you want to have an advantage vs ZSS, try not using any type of hammer. Bair comes out faster and is less punishable if you miss, plus throws her offstage setting up for gimps. Remember that she'll be tethering the ledge if you don't edgehog, and she'll use downB if you DO edgehog... So try a few dair>footstools. And if you edgehog and she uses downB and is about to footstool you in order to reach the stage, drop off before she footstools you, then fair her for an easy stagespike while she falls, failing the footstool.

You used utilt in a way you shouldn't in this matchup. I know it reaches in front of you, but grabs help more. Utilt her and follow up with bairs, don't follow up with reverse grabs... Bairs have a very high success rate of hitting compared to grabs, and they're also less punishable.

ZSS's weakness is that she has extremely few options on how to punish shields (her grab isn't known to be a good grab... I find it to be the WORST grab in Brawl, it even glitches and goes through opponents!). If you watch your shield and wait out her compos, she can't do much about it. Just make sure not to predict something when it's obvious something else will happen (if she uses dsmash and you shield, she'll follow up with something, don't drop your shield, or stay still at all).

UpB's aren't good approaches against a character who has the speed of a jaguar. Fail the upB and land on the stage and she'll destroy you. Fail the upB offstage and aim for the ledge, and if the opponent is fast enough, you'll find yourself punished mid-air. Uairs, fairs, bairs and dairs are all the aerial options you should be using... Mostly bairs and uairs.

Don't worry if you don't string too many hits together against her, every % counts. Hit her with any attacks, even if she's going to fly too far to follow up. Sooner or later, she'll have enough % for a killing blow (bair/fsmash/usmash/uthrow).

Can't help you out more than that, since I'm practically the only active ZSS mainer in PR, and also the only active Kirby mainer in PR...

thanks

i think next time i face snakeee it will be a little bit different idk
i was doing good vs him in friendlies then they called out our name first round i was like
... really?!

haha XD

but i'll see thanks for the help tho

 

[Y.b.M.]

Looks Like I'll poke My Nose Around In this Thread as well... So Ummmm...What I Miss???

 

[Kewkky]

Looks Like I'll poke My Nose Around In this Thread as well... So Ummmm...What I Miss???

YbM, can you give me a list of your best matches ever uploaded (or at least, the ones you feel are your best matches)? I'm in need of watching kirby vids, and I don't know where to start. Thanks!

 

[Y.b.M.]

YbM, can you give me a list of your best matches ever uploaded (or at least, the ones you feel are your best matches)? I'm in need of watching kirby vids, and I don't know where to start. Thanks!

I don't have any recent Vids...All my other uploads are kinda old...I'll hopefully be Recording something this weekend though...

 

[fromundaman]

Kewkky, I'd just suggest playing against other Kirby mains, especially YbM. Sure Wifi sucks, but hey, it's better than nothing right? (I'll use Kirby next time so maybe you can pick up something from my playstyle and vice versa.)

Nobody really has good recent videos.
Well, I have some recent videos, but they aren't good.... I wish WnB III or C4 had recorded videos of me though. I did so much better than at WnB II...

 

[DFat2]

EDIT: I'm moving it to PM's because this doesn't involve any one else, lol.

Resume: I'm an active player and Kewkky just failed to realize it. I've been since before he was here so that's why he thought he was the most active Kirby mainer here. I had made the same mistake on game faqs calling out a Vet in the Bleach Boards and got completely trolled. That's Why I don't call out or think I'm "More active than anyone" since that incident.

 

[Kewkky]

Fixed the problem. Ignore this post. World has skittle-making rainbows again. :D

 

[DFat1]

I know we fixed but...

PS: Look at our join dates. >_>

I couldn't help myself :D

It's not an illusion, it's a MindFreak!

But yeah, Ignore this post as well.

 

[Kewkky]

I know we fixed but...


I could help myself :D

It's not an illusion, it's a MindFreak!

But yeah, Ignore this post as well.

Fine, you beat me there, lol

Ok this is the last off-topic post I'm gonna make.

 

[DFat1]

Fine, you beat me there, lol

Ok this is the last off-topic post I'm gonna make.

Lol, me too.

Sorry Kirby's but I don't have fast connection so I can't rate your vids so I'm outa here.

 

[fromundaman]

To everyone in this thread who has not recieved feedback:

Either post your videos again and/or come to this chatroom: http://xat.com/TheAirRiders

The reason I mention the chatroom is that I can watch videos from inside it, allowing me to critique you as I watch, which I personally find much easier.