The Official Ohio Brawl Power Rankings (11/25/12: NEW RANKINGS UPDATED!)

[KassandraNova]

Wow@the neoh scene. I host smashfests down here and I'll occasionally get maybe 5 people? It's mostly just me, Kel, and Kero playing because judo rarely shows up. @_@

I hope to see some new faces at the next Ohio tournament then! That'd be awesome, let's hope they're willing to go out to some tournaments too. *_* good job Loki!

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

Don't forget Beegs and the rest of the NEOH crew. I only provided the place to play....we set this up as a group : )

 

[Carls493]

Looks like losing to 2 s in a row had more of an aftereffect than I thought...

 

[Ori_bro]

Looks like losing to 2 s in a row had more of an aftereffect than I thought...

You lost to DLA and Judo why should you be mad? Both if them are tremendous players and should be treated as acceptable losses not the polar opposite.

 

[Carls493]

They're pretty great, I agree. I'm also using my losses to them as experience.

 

[MegaRobMan]

Also, Sheik is broken.

 

[Carls493]

Now that I've faced them, the only thing I really need to do from there is plan for something else just in case I fight them again.

Or any Sheik for that matter. Something or someone that will at least give me a better chance at beating them.

 

[MX778]

What?

How the tournaments were counted isn't even clear, but I did make a post about why MX (at the least) should be above both of you and why the ranbats not counting was a bad decision. In any case, I did it in 40 mins:

Since all the Ranbats weren't counted (effectively killing all of Carls well-earned results and a number of MX's as well):

Season Period: 6/25/12 - 11/25/12

MX:

OS Monthly (No solid way to determine who beat who):

Wins: Krystedez, Kel, Hadesblade, Tako, Carls, Xisin(x2), Mister Eric, Xeroxen
Losses: Krystedez, Kel

Rage:

Wins: Beat Everyone in his pool (Kel, Space Thing, Gio, DRDN and KingYoshi)
Losses: Carls, Blue Rogue

Return of the Mack:

Wins: Squid, Sorasin, Sneakytako, Hadesblade, Count
Losses: Count (x2)

Retribution:

Wins: Beat everyone in his pool (except Player-1).
Losses: Croi, Zeton


Carls

OS Monthly (No solid way to determine who beat who): Well, I know he did beat me (MX) in the final pool. Not sure who else aside from that. CARLS WHERE YEW AT

Unclear, but he ended up placing 5th

Rage:

Wins: Beat Everyone in his pool except Sparta Kick I believe, Tech Chase, MX, Thugz
Losses: AlphaZealot, Zinoto

SPAU2:

Wins: Gifts, Zyth, Pzo, Sparta Kick
Losses: Ally, Lain

Retribution:

Wins: I think the only person he lost to in pools was Delta-Cod. Everyone else, I think he won against.
Losses: DLA, Judo

Rolling with the Punches 2:

No results thread, but he beat KB in a $10 MM.


Sneakytako

OS Monthly (No solid way to determine who beat who):

Unclear, but he ended up placing 4th

Rage:

Wins: Beat Everyone in his pool except Ally I believe, Bulletsquall
Losses: Blue Rogue, King Beef

S2D:

Wins: Bubblegum, James, Megarobman
Losses: Ralph Cecil, Masquerain

Retribution:

Wins: Delux (pools)
Losses: Everyone else in his pool

Return of the Mack:

Wins: Sovereign, Braxton
Losses: MX, Hadesblade

Even without the Ranbats, you fall below Carls and MX. Why reasoning can be said to justifiably put you above Carls and MX?

Fixed some of these for ya.

 

[sneakytako]

Lol OK, lets just all forget the Ranbats placed first/won against AZ, that's cool.

All of you guys' data is wrong/in-complete. I'll update more when I feel less tired.

 

[Roller]

@Lokii- tbh, it doesn't really matter how long NEOH had been dormant for, or how recently they've started playing again. Neither of those points dispute my paraphrasing of your post.



Something else that should be noted. The panel is claiming to not be biased; however picking and choosing which tournaments matter and which don't, and even in some cases single matches within otherwise relevant tournaments that don't is both inherently and necessarily biased.

Excluding some results, and keeping others, especially when there isn't even a list in the PR OP prior to the season ending (tho same would be true even if it was) is quite obviously not fare. For a hundred different reasons. And even though I'm on my phone right now, since I clearly am more devoted to this state's PR than the panel itself is, I'll list some.

1) Some players aren't able to travel far or consistently, if their locals are not counted (even if they do something as amazing as beating Shugo and consistently win vs out of state PR) then they are being unjustly kept off the PR because of where they live.

2) If you guys can pick and choose which tourneys count and which don't.. what's preventing you from counting all the ones you (any given panel member) and/or your friends do well in, and not counting those which would push other players above you? (Although I'm sure that would never happen.. hint hint, nudge nudge)

3) Along the same vein, what's stopping a panel member/members from voting down tourneys they can't attend from counting?

4) Even if a tourney not counting is made clear before said tourney, this decentivizes players from showing up to certain tourneys/series. Which is terrible. Didn't you guys just say your scene was dying? $10 says having a decent portion of your tourneys not count for anything won't help that..

5) When you combine the fact you guys are picking and choosing which tourneys matter and which don't with the fact you are apparently able to extend the season duration whenever you want (for as long as you want) this allows for complete manipulation of the PR.. Allow me to show you how.. Say I'm Tako and I would need another win to put myself over MX for the season. Now, not only do I have the option to discount some of his wins by claiming irrelevance, I can also give myself the needed time to get wins as well. After doing either/both of which I'll be able to perfectly justify my spot without anyone being able to tell me I'm bias. (which is exactly what is happening, to those too blind to see it. And even if it wasn't happening now, it should be pretty apparent how easy it would be to do so.) Unless someone like me comes around and points out the inherent bias in the system which allows for the fallacious and untrue claim that bias isn't playing a role.

6) The fact that the panel consists of TOs exacerbates this drastically. "Oh. KB is my friend (or me) and needs another win? Well let me just give him/(myself) this good player who his(/my) character buttrapes.."

OR. "Oh. Carls will be above me if he gets a win here? Let's pair him vs Roller..."

Combine that very real possibility with the options available in the previous point (and the fact smash tourneys never use randomized pairings, TOs always pick them. See: Judo vs Logic take 2) and you'll see that you would actually have to be actively trying to sabotage yourself in order to not give yourself an advantage as a panel member.



These reasons are why I strongly advocate that every tourney with money on the line counts in MI. Even though some other panel members have in the past tried to prevent 1 or 2 smaller ones from counting (which incidentally would have helped said panel member(s)).

Point 5 is also why I strongly support consistency in season lengths, despite objections from other panel members (again, many times (tho certainly not always, and I don't at all mean to imply that is the case) this would happen to benefit certain panel members and/or their friends).

Again I just typed this whole thing out on my phone. Why? Because this PR panel as it stands is not just (granted they themselves may not have understood the full extent of the impact of their current guidelines), and I would like to see that change.

Honestly. An out of state panel member or 2 might be a really good idea for you guys to consider. Obviously I think myself or Zinoto would be a positive addition in terms of objective decision making. Zinoto because of his reliance on actual data and the fact he knows and has played with many of the players. And myself because I also rely on tangible data, have also played many of the PR players, and encase my posts here couldn't tip you off.. I would not be making decisions just to appease other players. Also. I've taken many classes on the media's use of these same exact tactics to get away with bias without anyone even noticing. Hence being able to recognize the flaws in the current system.

The only reason I include me and Zino over Tech is that Tech is close with a number of OH players and at some point even if he didn't mean for it to happen, it's more likely his friendships with OH players could influence his judgements than ours.

That's not necessarily true though.

Do what you guys think is best, but I'm positive that my suggestions will only serve to make the Ohio Power Rankings more accurate.


Edit: lmao@sneaky's last post. Incomplete data? Says the panel member who hasn't shown much of anything in the way of data? Ok. Try making that post after you've listed a quarter of the results Zinoto just did..

 

[SoulPech]

Lol OK, lets just all forget the Ranbats placed first/won against AZ, that's cool.

All of you guys' data is wrong/in-complete. I'll update more when I feel less tired.

I pulled these straight from all of the resutls thread. I even verified this with ZinotoHow is this wrong/incomplete?

I also forgot to mention a Local tourney in columbus that Krystedez went to back in June.

King Blaze Smash-up:

1) Krystedez
2) MX
3) Carls.

Don't take this as like a finger-wag or like I'm upset...I just want to make sure the OH PR is accurate.

 

[MX778]

This is one reason why I don't take straight wins and losses into account over a 2-5 month season to determine who is the best. You can determine pretty accurately who is better than someone else without taking Inui logic into effect. This is why I mentioned that it doesn't matter if Shugo didn't go to any tournaments this season, we could drop him from the PR for being inactive, but it would not change the fact that he is the best in the state and should be ranked as such.

I truly and utterly agree with this Kel. Having some good wins aren't necessarily a justification of skill, but a representation of how good one really is and what they can do.

In my mind any potential candidates have already failed at this point. I was waiting for someone to compile an apt comparison to argue that one player should be above another, but I have yet to see a non-PR member take the time to review the records of anyone besides themselves, which seems like the point that we PR members are being accused of in the first place.

We have the data to show who belonged where, I just don't feel like compiling it in a format that fits this situation. IMO no one has brought up any points that should change the ranking.

To shed some light on our decision making, OoR/OoS wins really was the deciding factor on where I was placed, and I voted KB to be behind me because there was no reason for MX/Carls to be ahead of him. They all share very simliar wins, KB is ahead because he beat BR. MX was close but he has a losing record to Carls. Carls best wins are myself and SK, both players that KB has beaten.

Are you....

Kidding me?

Carls has a winning streak against me, true. However that will not and should never be a deciding factor on why I shouldn't move up based on that reason alone. Especially after the 2938298328 good wins that I previously mentioned. That's like saying that Fizzle can't move up on the list because now he has a losing streak against Seagull. Does that also mean that you should stay where you are simply because you have a losing streak against me? It shouldn't, but that's exactly what it sounds like.

I <3 my dude Eddie, but you saying the reason he is above Carls and myself is only because he simply beat Blue Rogue is complete bull****. That's a great win, but that by itself does not override the accomplishments that I/Carls have made these passed few months. On top of that, how can you say that there was absolultey NO reason to move up Carls and myself even AFTER noting all of our accomplishments and proving ourselves? How ****ed up is that? It's like I said above...

The people you win against are not a justification of your skill, but a representation of it. Carls and I have shown that manymanymanymanymany times throughout this tourney period.


Zinoto, I do agree that it does kind of suck not having the ranbats count and I'm not sure why they don't. We payed money to enter, drove 2 1/2 hours to get there as well as back. Getting 1st-4th place at a non-local tourney and getting hardly any credibility for it. Don't get me wrong, I <3 the ranbats & Arcade Legacy, but the fact that they don't count for anything otherwise really, really blowss.

 

[Roller]

MX, if you really don't understand, my last post explains why.

 

[P.I.E.]

Random posting, but why not do a top ten and include the honorable mentions rather than just doing a top 8?
And also, it may help if you put a section pointing out the reasons people got a certain spot in order to avoid arguments, like including their records vs. other PR's or something.

Just a suggestion... Using the FL's pr's as an example.

 

[Zinoto]

My list isn't wrong. I went through all these results threads and am confident that the data I provided matches the results threads. The only reason it would be incomplete is because:

1) You all don't post full results (especially for pools), so it's not in the results threads (this matters because you were waiting for someone else to do this work for you, so this is the conclusion one would come to)
2) You all discounted some of these tourneys (which is ******** seeing as it wasn't stated before the tourney happened). Doing this not only discredits the entirety of the PR, but is completely unfair. Some traveled a couple hours to get there and committed the time to go to them. Now you're gonna say they don't count? Bull****.

Whatever reason you have for putting yourself and KB above Carls and MX is wrong. They've outperformed you and deserve the spots above you, simple as that.

5) When you combine the fact you guys are picking and choosing which tourneys matter and which don't with the fact you are apparently able to extend the season duration whenever you want (for as long as you want) this allows for complete manipulation of the PR.. Allow me to show you how.. Say I'm Tako and I would need another win to put myself over MX for the season. Now, not only do I have the option to discount some of his wins by claiming irrelevance, I can also give myself the needed time to get wins as well. After doing either/both of which I'll be able to perfectly justify my spot without anyone being able to tell me I'm bias. (which is exactly what is happening, to those too blind to see it. And even if it wasn't happening now, it should be pretty apparent how easy it would be to do so.)

^^^

I don't know how I missed this. You lost all credibility for claiming to not being biased once the season got extended, tourneys were discounted, and this list was the result.

 

[What's The Point]

God you guys care about PRs to much. This isn't even MI.

Also the ranbats are cheap MM level of importance.

 

[Zinoto]

It's the concept that's important. I absolutely hate seeing people getting ****ed over when I can do something about it. Also, I've played everyone on the PR. Ain't no way in hell 5-8 is accurate.

The point wagering thing may be considered cheap MMs, but the actual tourneys themselves should matter. If they didn't want them to count for the PR, they should've stated that before people drove out to attend them.

 

[Eddie G]

Oh we're attacking credibility and assuming stances now, are we? I realize it's impossible to please everyone whether mistakes are made or not, but holy **** you guys...all of you. I've always been a diligent and dedicated panelist ever since the last wave of active panelists, and the one time life actually does kick my *** a bit and "gets in the way", suddenly my credibility (speaking for myself and not every panelist since that's all I can do here) goes out of the window for a less than stellar list which I've already proposed to fix to make amends for said errors. But noooooooooo, **** just hassssss to get blown out of proportion for the sake of doing so. Holy ****ing ****, you guys. The Melee scene is 100x more chill than this bull****, at least the portion of it that I know.

My full response will come later tonight when I get home.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I think that before anyone posts anything accusatory from this point on, someone from the Panel should post all of the data used for the rankings of this season.

I personally do not agree with 5-8 either. But no one can really make any conclusive distinctions with only a portion of the data.

Judge AFTER we see everything not before.

Also if Ohio learns one thing from this ordeal:

Have all of your data on hand and ready. Very few PRs go completely undisputed at any given season.

 

[Kel]

My list isn't wrong. I went through all these results threads and am confident that the data I provided matches the results threads. The only reason it would be incomplete is because:

I didn't lose to MX at OS' monthly. I only lost to Kryztedez the entire tournament and beat everyone else.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324713&highlight=overswarm+monthlies
Round 2 pools I am ranked in "4th" (second in my pool) because I played Kryz in both second and final rounds of pools.


Ranbat tournaments don't count because they were smashfests that you paid to enter. They count as tie breakers of sorts (kinda like MMs), but the competition at the Ranbats cannot be compared to Retribution, Rage, and other regionals/ nationals.

Also, KB, chill man. It's Michigan that's throwing a fit. This is the Ohio PR and we decide what's best for us.

MX, would you like to be a panelist?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I didn't lose to MX at OS' monthly. I only lost to Kryztedez the entire tournament and beat everyone else.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324713&highlight=overswarm+monthlies
Round 2 pools I am ranked in "4th" (second in my pool) because I played Kryz in both second and final rounds of pools.


Ranbat tournaments don't count because they were smashfests that you paid to enter. They count as tie breakers of sorts (kinda like MMs), but the competition at the Ranbats cannot be compared to Retribution, Rage, and other regionals/ nationals.

Also, KB, chill man. It's Michigan that's throwing a fit. This is the Ohio PR and we decide what's best for us.

MX, would you like to be a panelist?

So Ranbats are worth less than locals then? Legitimate question. Seems illogical to have people pay and travel for "tie breakers". If I were in that situation and affected by, I would feel mislead.

Also, Michigan is clearly not the only entity that questions the logic going into your PR.

 

[clowsui]

These are the tournaments I decided to use after I found out the Ranbats didn't count.


http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=322082 - SPAU Results*
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=322407 - S2D May 12*
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=322686 - Cordial Uproar 4*
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=323963 - PS4 Results*
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324713 - OS Monthly
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=325578- RAGE
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=326497 - S2D August
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=327056 - SPAU2
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=326641 - Rolling w the Punches 2
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=327858 - Get Low
Retribution

Starred tournaments were tournaments not counted in the previous season but also not in the period for this season (at least not the way that Eddie made the distinction).

I mistakenly put Carls/MX below KB and Sneaky because I couldn't think of reasons to put them above especially when all Sunday tournies were discounted from the consideration. But I apparently didn't look close enough at the data; looking on it again, Carls and MX deserve to be above Sneaky/KB. MX and Carls it's tough to call but MX (from the data that Julian + Soulpech brought up or w/e) would be above Carls imo.

Also Carls don't even say wow. You either say that you disagree w the PR or don't. Don't pull that passive aggressive stuff and quote Roller's post.

By the way, Roller, eat a massive ****ing salty **** you little twatwad. Don't you dare even call my status as a TO into question. I have never let my nature as a panelist bias me into making TO choices.

I will admit to mistakes with this PR, but it is precisely because I did not make a more extensive effort to gather data. In fact, I would like to note that every single foray into data gathering within the panel that has been relatively extensive has been done by me. I wouldn't take such offense to the generalization if it weren't for the fact that you decided to make **** up AND call out my "TO bias".

**** you.

 

[MX778]

MX, would you like to be a panelist?

I must say that I'm thoroughly honored, but I'd feel alot better if Juu and/or SoulPech was a panelist as well if I do agree. Mainly because they're alot better at organizing and keeping up with things with our Smash scene in OH and I think I'd definitely need some support with that.

 

[Roller]

@KB- Any attacks I made on credibility are made based on the system you are using as a panel. My condolences on hitting some bumps in the road over the past few months, I'm not trying to hate on you as a person or anything. I actually like both you and Tako as people. I just disagree with this panel's methodology.

Your individual votes are a very small part of the problem, it's the makeup of the season and the obvious ability for corruption to occur. If tough times prevented you from looking over credentials enough... Alright. I think you should have passed on being a panel member for this season (like I did over the summer). But that's whatever.

However, this (not taking enough time to review results) only addresses one of the myriad of problems with the OH PR right now.




As for the people posting about ranbats being "smashfests you pay to enter..."


...Congrats on defining a local tournament series.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

*looks at Clowsui's post*

Welp, **** just got real.

 

[Dooms]

I agree that Juu would be a great panelist. He really knows his stuff when it comes to the midwest scene and I can't seem to understand why he's not a panelist lol.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Plus affirmative action states that the Ohio PR Panel NEEDS a black person.

We are prepared to get the Black Panthers on this if needed.

Fight the powah Juu!



EDIT: Also MX doesn't count. Yoshi mains are not actually people.

(MX is still cool though and I respect his growth)

 

[clowsui]

Also some food for thought:

I hosted Ranbats in order to try to spark some life into Ohio smash. I connected Central and Southwest Ohio smash scenes quite well in this regard, but I did not manage to keep a scene growth alive (barring maybe 1-3 additions to the community maybe even 4). How do you think my reputation as a TO is affected if the Ranbats do not count, especially wrt SW + Central OH?

I'm all for guidelines. And I'm all for data. If any one of you prick****s want to try to call me out on either of those, you can conclusively kiss my *** and try again next season, because I've never done anything to the contrary.

 

[Kel]

You can win money at locals. You could not win money at the ranbats individually. You do not win money at smashfests and the point of the ranbat was to get underground interest in the Cincinnati grassroots community; not to have a competition.

 

[clowsui]

^ That is the logic I grudgingly agreed w/ + accepted, as I could not come up with a suitable counterargument.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I feel like the perception of the purpose of Ranbats changed through its life cycle compared to its original intent.

How do people like Carls, MX and SoulPech perceive the purpose and weight on Ranbats? (legit question..I'm curious) Obviously a few of them have issues with these not being counted for much. There's a reason for that.

 

[Roller]

Random posting, but why not do a top ten and include the honorable mentions rather than just doing a top 8?
And also, it may help if you put a section pointing out the reasons people got a certain spot in order to avoid arguments, like including their records vs. other PR's or something.

Just a suggestion... Using the FL's pr's as an example.

I suggested this already. But good. More backup is always nice.

By the way, Roller, eat a massive ****ing salty **** you little twatwad. Don't you dare even call my status as a TO into question. I have never let my nature as a panelist bias me into making TO choices.

I will admit to mistakes with this PR, but it is precisely because I did not make a more extensive effort to gather data. In fact, I would like to note that every single foray into data gathering within the panel that has been relatively extensive has been done by me. I wouldn't take such offense to the generalization if it weren't for the fact that you decided to make **** up AND call out my "TO bias".

**** you.

Chi.

First. It would be in your own best interest to calm down a bit. You're getting way too upset about this. Also, you misread my post and this is all a misunderstanding, which I'll explain below.

Second. There's a difference between arguing a point and just going straight ad hominem and calling people made up names. (some of which I will be stealing) If your goal is to change someone's mind or to refute a claim, that type of post achieves neither of those goals. It's a simple tantrum and comes off as such. Not a good look.

Third. I don't think I mention your name anywhere in that post. You and Kel may be the only ones I didn't name.

Fourth. I'm going to assume it's this part you were disagreeing with the most.

6) The fact that the panel consists of TOs exacerbates this drastically. "Oh. KB is my friend (or me) and needs another win? Well let me just give him/(myself) this good player who his(/my) character buttrapes.."

OR. "Oh. Carls will be above me if he gets a win here? Let's pair him vs Roller..."

Combine that very real possibility with the options available in the previous point (and the fact smash tourneys never use randomized pairings, TOs always pick them. See: Judo vs Logic take 2) and you'll see that you would actually have to be actively trying to sabotage yourself in order to not give yourself an advantage as a panel member.

Notice the bolded word, possibility. I am not attacking you as a TO. In fact I didn't attack any TO. I'm merely stating the fact that it is possible for this type of thing to occur. Which is true. Anywhere. I see it happen all the time. And it is wrong when it does. But I have not noticed you do it, nor did I claim to.

The Judo v Logic part 2 part was just to show an obvious example of an intentional pairing. Not because of any type of desired outcome on your part, or an act of corruption, but just because it wasn't random. Random seeding means you click "create bracket" in TIO and whatever bracket that spits out, you go with. Obviously NO TO in the scene does this. Smash TOs go through and separate players by things such as region/carpools/sometimes stupid matchups.

This happens universally and you should not be ashamed of it.

My problem is that combined with the other regulations (or more specifically lack there of) of this PR selection process, it creates the potential for even more corruption to occur. Nowhere did I ever say that this is currently occurring, and I certainly did not accuse you of doing this. As I said, I didn't even mention your name. And if I had a grievance with you, I think my posts have made it clear I would definitely have called you out on it. As it stands, I did no such thing.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but please try to read (my) posts more carefully from now on to avoid this type of thing.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I chuckle every time I read Roller's sig.

 

[Roller]

I love how à propos it is in the context of this thread.

 

[Eddie G]

I agree that Juu would be a great panelist. He really knows his stuff when it comes to the midwest scene and I can't seem to understand why he's not a panelist lol.

Because he initially declined when asked. As did a number of other people.

MX I urge you to reconsider. Your activity level and dedication would be a great help to the panel.

 

[SoulPech]

I feel like the perception of the purpose of Ranbats changed through its life cycle compared to its original intent.

How do people like Carls, MX and SoulPech perceive the purpose and weight on Ranbats? (legit question..I'm curious) Obviously a few of them have issues with these not being counted for much. There's a reason for that.

We interpreted this as a serious event, like PR and everything. I honestly thought this would be counted towards the PR since there were not many OH tournaments this season. That's why I made the effort to drive down there every trip. I will agree it was nice to visit the people there, but if this was going to be a "glorified smashfest", I wouldn't make ahuge effort to go to these...maybe like a couple of these. I know Carls felt this was serious since he was working to get his 1st win at a tournament/circuit.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

That is really grimy.

hio

also carls and MX are beasts.

I'm never attending an Ohio tournament until you guys shape up your act.

 

[Eddie G]

I'm heartbroken.

 

[Carls493]

I'm shocked.

I can't believe how insane this thread got. I kinda fear what would happen if most of this was brought up at PS5...

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

-facepalm-

I hope for the sake of everyone who goes that this doesnt happen