The Official Master Hand Guide

[Grim Tuesday]

Why would anyone want to play as MH? He has 0-10 matchups against everyone but himself.

It says in the OP.
He is a counter-pick against Jigglypuff actually, and he is great in team battles.
I don't expect anyone to main him full on, just as a secondary/tertiary.

jw what happens if both players want to be master hand in a tournament?
in first game
i no in the other games you choose char based on CP stuff

lolwut? English plox.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I don't know if he counters puff but it is his best match-up

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I don't know if he counters puff but it is his best match-up

I'd say he does. Maybe 60:50 > 70:50. Not by much, but I'm sure it is a counter.

Here are all the advantages MH has (I think):
• Insane shield pressure.
• Strong attacks kill Puff quickly because of weight.
• Puff has no projectile and short range, so has to get in close to attack.
• Bad at jumping over attacks.
• Rest doesn't work.
• WoP doesn't work.
• Puff is floaty, making her easy to hit in the air.

 

[Ryzol_]

I'd say he does. Maybe 60:50 > 70:50. Not by much, but I'm sure it is a counter.

Here are all the advantages MH has (I think):
• Insane shield pressure.
• Strong attacks kill Puff quickly because of weight.
• Puff has no projectile and short range, so has to get in close to attack.
• Bad at jumping over attacks.
• Rest doesn't work.
• WoP doesn't work.
• Puff is floaty, making her easy to hit in the air.

No it's a 0-10 matchup. Puff hits MH once then edgestalls for 8 minutes. Maybe on Brinstar MH could hit puff, but you get a ban. Also, every attack can be avoided by spotdodging, rolling, or airdodging if needed.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

No it's a 0-10 matchup. Puff hits MH once then edgestalls for 8 minutes. Maybe on Brinstar MH could hit puff, but you get a ban. Also, every attack can be avoided by spotdodging, rolling, or airdodging if needed.

edgeSTALLS.

I seem to remember stalling being banned in the current ruleset. Deliberately avoiding all contact or something?

If she times the spot-dodge/roll wrong she gets uber punished.
And remember, only 1 KO is needed to win, it's not like we are trying to KO her 4 times or something.

Maybe it isn't a CP then, but I'm sure it would be on some stages like Poke Floats.

There's also unpredictability, sure you can dodge all of MH's attacks if you have played against him enough before, but that is quite uncommon.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hey your playing theory way to much there have you played many jigglypuffs? even with MH? I doubt it. that's why i don't give my input about pichu vs link because i've never played it before.

 

[SSBMaster11]

"No player can be Zelda because if the match is reset, the results screen will have Master Hand represented by Sheik, and there can't be two Zeldas."

Um...I've played as Zelda/Sheik against MH, and it worked perfectly fine.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

"No player can be Zelda because if the match is reset, the results screen will have Master Hand represented by Sheik, and there can't be two Zeldas."

Um...I've played as Zelda/Sheik against MH, and it worked perfectly fine.

Woops, that was copypasta from Smash Wiki. Will change.

@ICG
I'm working off theory, there are like... no Jiggly mains in Australia other than myself... Same with climbers...

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

@ICG you are an Ice climbers main what would that match up v. master hand be?

@GrimTuesday I have noticed that though it works fine v Zelda it freezes up more with Zelda than any other character, but maybe that is just me.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

@ICG you are an Ice climbers main what would that match up v. master hand be?

@GrimTuesday I have noticed that though it works fine v Zelda it freezes up more with Zelda than any other character, but maybe that is just me.

I'm also an Ice Climber main, the match-up is in ICs favour (like with pretty much everyone). Fair absolutely slaughters you because there are two of them, and their recovery works well against MH because he can't really edge-guard against it most of the time.

I don't know if that is a coincidence or not, I still need to work out what exactly causes these freezes.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

no it's upair upair dair to up-tilt that would right off the bat be like 70% in like 2 secs.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

no it's upair upair dair to up-tilt that would right off the bat be like 70% in like 2 secs.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Uair/Utilt [/facepalm]

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Grim, how do you want me to set up the frame data? I can't make it all pretty, I can just tell you when he has a hitbox, when he's on the stage, when he's off the stage, etc. Want me to PM you what I have so far in regards to his A^ attack?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Grim, how do you want me to set up the frame data? I can't make it all pretty, I can just tell you when he has a hitbox, when he's on the stage, when he's off the stage, etc. Want me to PM you what I have so far in regards to his A^ attack?

PM'ing me would be great thanks.

 

[Skull'N†]

lol this is the most eccentric forum ever... hahahaa

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Sense Master Hands "Combos" are Stage dependent is the "Combo" Video going to use all the stages or just the legal ones? (or just the ones where "Combos" are possible.)

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

NEW INFO

it turns out master hand doesn't seem to have all of his attacks. when my little brother was playing melee today when he got to master hand and got grabbed I noticed master hand had a back throw and he used it twice and my brother doesn't know how to shake out I thought it was neat we can't use his whole movepool however up-throw is way better.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sense Master Hands "Combos" are Stage dependent is the "Combo" Video going to use all the stages or just the legal ones? (or just the ones where "Combos" are possible.)

Only the legal ones.

NEW INFO

it turns out master hand doesn't seem to have all of his attacks. when my little brother was playing melee today when he got to master hand and got grabbed I noticed master hand had a back throw and he used it twice and my brother doesn't know how to shake out I thought it was neat we can't use his whole movepool however up-throw is way better.

Interesting...

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Do you need an image of Master Hand vs. Mario?
http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww229/strife98/?action=view&current=0720004512.jpg
I made that one.

 

[omgwtfToph]

why does everyone gp nazi on me? like master hand being played, the little pichu that could win, or brinstar depths. I have legit reasoning for all, even if MH didn't freeeze up people would still what him banned because he is different they will keep making up BS reasons no matter what. if the game freezes then don't pick MH anymore for the set fair enough right? setting up takes 1 minute with melee holder 2 with a wii.

it's not to much of a curse is it?

you lost to phatgamer in pichu dittos dog

what is this "could win" business

 

[Hax]

as much as i wish he could be legalized cause he counters jiggs, what happens when both players want to play master hand? =/

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Do you need an image of Master Hand vs. Mario?
http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww229/strife98/?action=view&current=0720004512.jpg
I made that one.

Great pic, I'll add it to the main post along with that frame data you gave me!

as much as i wish he could be legalized cause he counters jiggs, what happens when both players want to play master hand? =/

In this VERY VERY rare occurrence, It could be solved via rock-paper-scissors. The issue is not important or frequent enough to be an issue, you might as well be arguing over who gets to lose rather than who gets Master Hand.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Great pic, I'll add it to the main post along with that frame data you gave me!

Sweet. Do you want me to get the other pictures while I'm at it, if I can? Thumbs up and thumbs down would be hard.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sweet. Do you want me to get the other pictures while I'm at it, if I can? Thumbs up and thumbs down would be hard.

Hey, that'd be awesome. I was gonna PS them myself but if you are willing, go ahead

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Hey, that'd be awesome. I was gonna PS them myself but if you are willing, go ahead

Can you do the Thumbs up and down, I'll get the other ones.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I believe in myself however I also hate on myself a good amount and I refuse I say i'm better than someone esle or say i'm good. really I think suck uber bad I've heard people tell me I don't after playing them but I somehow can't understand. i'm bound overhyped. also at POe3 somehow I lost everylast pichu ditto I played that day. I blame YS and pichu is way to small to tell apart, both cost me a number of lifes in all those matches.

Yes I hate YS.

 

[omgwtfToph]

i live in japan and s-royal has better english than you do

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Can you do the Thumbs up and down, I'll get the other ones.

Sure, thanks!

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Well I was never taught the sounds and stuff you fail if you don't. However this is just simply for writing not real speak.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Well I was never taught the sounds and stuff you fail if you don't. However this is just simply for writing not real speak.

Guys, this isn't the place to discuss ICG's terribad grammar.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

this was stikied great news. also I didn't understand the wait time on the frame data.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

this was stikied great news. also I didn't understand the wait time on the frame data.

I'll expand upon it when I format the data correctly. And cool about the stickying, hey?!

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I do not know how to make a MH "Combo" video and put it on youtube however my father said he can help and I might be able to help with the combo video (I will not say for certain though, it depends on if me and my father can work with the tech. of recording because I know I can not get it to work.) but my question is What types of tech. and "Combos" are you looking for in particular and what do you wish me to put emphasis on maneuver wise (presuming I can get it to work. ).

By the way congrats on the sticky.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I do not know how to make a MH "Combo" video and put it on youtube however my father said he can help and I might be able to help with the combo video (I will not say for certain though, it depends on if me and my father can work with the tech. of recording because I know I can not get it to work.) but my question is What types of tech. and "Combos" are you looking for in particular and what do you wish me to put emphasis on maneuver wise (presuming I can get it to work. ).

By the way congrats on the sticky.

Cheers, my first stickied topic XD.

Capture Cards are the best way to record Smash, but camera can be used as well. I am looking for anything that looks cool really; spiking with walk, bouncing bullets off walls with Gun, etc...

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Does the "combo" video have to have practical, or does it just have to use flashy a lot of situational tech. that look really cool but one should not expect to work unless in he/she are in certain circumstance. (I can do cool and flashy with all the tech. but a practical how to win is going to be tricker to show in a "combo" video.)

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Does the "combo" video have to have practical, or does it just have to use flashy a lot of situational tech. that look really cool but one should not expect to work unless in he/she are in certain circumstance. (I can do cool and flashy with all the tech. but a practical how to win is going to be tricker to show in a "combo" video.)

Well, no banned stages or anything, but using non-match situations is fine.

 

[Vyzor]

not to sound offensive but, why was this stickied?

 

[Linkshot]

So that there can be a new officially recognised worst character.

 

[Vyzor]

So that there can be a new officially recognised worst character.

oh i c. kthx.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

not to sound offensive but, why was this stickied?

not to sound vain but, because it is the best-written and resource for information on Master Hand you will ever find.