The Official Master Hand Guide

[voorhese]

im going to a tourney this saturday >=)

 

[Ocho(*8*)]

how could you play as master hand in a tourney?? I thought he can't be KO'd.

i haven't been following the discussion at all so yeah, if anyone knows a way to play as him in a stock match my bad.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

how could you play as master hand in a tourney?? I thought he can't be KO'd.

i haven't been following the discussion at all so yeah, if anyone knows a way to play as him in a stock match my bad.

There's a difference between not following the discussion and not reading the OPENING POST.

He can still win/lose via the time-out rule.

I'd go to a tourney as him... but... I don't want to lose...

 

[voorhese]

no he doesnt have stock...thats why im saying its strange hes not banned... i mean if u CP to places like corneria and they take damage its over....

 

[ryuu seika]

It's not just lack of acknowledgement either, I mean, he's on the official tier list.

He is now? Great!

im going to a tourney this saturday >=)

Go for it Jason. Rainbow Ride and Brinstar might also be good CPs.

 

[TemPesT-]

no he doesnt have stock...thats why im saying its strange hes not banned... i mean if u CP to places like corneria and they take damage its over....

i dont remember the last time this stage was available, but why corneria? why is MH good on it?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

you can't hit him and lasers add up damage.

 

[ryuu seika]

What so you actively refuse to attack for 8 minutes just so they can't hit you? Isn't that considered "stalling" and therefore banned?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

What so you actively refuse to attack for 8 minutes just so they can't hit you? Isn't that considered "stalling" and therefore banned?

No that's called not getting hit because all you need to do on battle feild is jump over if he's grab and drop under for his buttles and everything esle misses. by that logic if I never hit anyone they should be banned becuase they wouldn't let me hit them. also why didn't HM try to hit them more? I think MH is the one who is camping they just simply can't approach.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

For clarification: When using Master Hand on Corneria, he doesn't spawn properly, and instead of his usual place on stage, he goes down below the bottom blast zone. He will still home in on the opponent to do attacks, and if he lands a grab, it is a 1HKO.

Master Hand being down there is definitely stalling.

HOWEVER, the official ruleset defines stalling as the act of DELIBERATELY avoiding contact. By simply stating that you aren't attempting to stall him out, it is simply a quirk of the character, it is NOT bannable under such an offense.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

MH has 3 stages brinstar, Ys, and RR all the other legal stages he can't win on.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Poke Floats as well ICG.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

it's normally banned
mute city is great but it's normally banned

 

[Grim Tuesday]

it's normally banned
mute city is great but it's normally banned

That's cause you live in a stupid country. We are hardcore in Australia:
Final Destination
Yoshi's Story
Fountain of Dreams
Battlefield
Dreamland N64

Kongo Jungle N64
Poke Floats
Corneria
Mute City
Rainbow Ride/Cruise
Pokemon Stadium
Brinstar

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

where's brinstar depths? it's much more legit of a stage than PFs

 

[Grim Tuesday]

where's brinstar depths? it's much more legit of a stage than PFs

O RLY?
Play against my Puff there, I'll camp you to death.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

how could you do that?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'm not going to go through every rotation to demonstrate how, but I know there is a spot for camping in nearly every one (if not every one).

 

[TemPesT-]

i think he has brinstar and brinstar depths confused.

edit nvm ICG is indeed carzy

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

but really I tryed to camp cpus to death there it didn't work

 

[Grim Tuesday]

but really I tryed to camp cpus to death there it didn't work

Then you are either:
1. Bad at Camping.
2. Lieing.

 

[ryuu seika]

Or:
3. Playing as a Non-Puff Non-Kirby character.

EDIT: looks like I need to add Corneria to my training stages.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Or:
3. Playing as a Non-Puff Non-Kirby character.

Not even, bro.
Fox could camp there just with the speed of his up air (like he does on Corneria).

 

[goateeguy]

If I were a TO i'd ban Corneria specifically for Master Hand. One slip-up in 8 minutes costing you a game is far worse than anything else that's banned in tournaments

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Or you could just specifically ban Master Hand...

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

@ GrimTuesday We have historically speaking always banned stages that made a character broken. For some examples see how many times fox is the main reason for banning a stage in this post. We instead of banning fox banned the stages that made fox broken.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Master Hand has much more to warrant a ban than just breaking a stage, unlike Fox who is a completely sound character APART from on those few specific stages.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Guess who has just figured out how to cancel Master Hand's attacks?

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

You, and how do you do it?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You, and how do you do it?

I could tell you, but you won't like it.

Using any of the MH/CH attacks (CH must be present) will cancel whatever attack you are doing into the team attack.

It's a start though. At least we know it is possible.

 

[Linkshot]

Ah, I knew that before.
It allows Crazy Hand to stack as many lasers as he wants, and then never disappear.

 

[ryuu seika]

Does MH work on all legal stages or can they outright kill you with the counter pick and freezer loses rule?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

you can pick MH on all stages but take him to a stage like BF and hit him once and stand on the platform he can't hit you without but grabs and bullets.

Once you figure out how high his attacks will let him hit you simply just have to walk over and jump. And most stages he homes onto dumb things.

the only chance you have of winning is on YS/brinstar/RR because they don't know the stage/or it's to small to super easily run away.

 

[ryuu seika]

Guess who has just figured out how to cancel Master Hand's attacks?

There's another way. One that doesn't involve Crazy Hand.

 

[voorhese]

There's another way. One that doesn't involve Crazy Hand.

really ?

 

[Linkshot]

Spill it.
This might move Master Hand up past Kirby.

 

[ryuu seika]

Hold A, B, L, R, X, Y and Z, then press start (your nose may be required). You have to press start last so as not to pause the game.

 

[john!]

There is a third way. You will find three buttons on the top of your GameCube; any of the three can be used to effectively cancel Master Hand's attacks.

 

[ryuu seika]

Are you sure the Open button can? I thought it'd just delay them.

 

[Linkshot]

Should've known it'd be a troll.

Spoiler

Doing that will get you flat out DQ'd I think, or just reset the joystick calibration..