The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[Moophobia]

**** you *****.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yo i'ma start finding ways to do regrabs with ganon.

and when i do.

it's on.

my only regrab so far is downthrow -> bair -> regrab on marth at 0% lol. my moves are too strong

regrabs are one of the coolest things in this game, i think.

fox's nair -> regrab on floaties seems so funny and awesome to me.

i'm such a nublet.

edit: hmm...what if i first hit nair as a popup to regrab....time to hit the lab...

 

[Moophobia]

I love re-grabs as well but I'm starting to love tomahawks more I think.

 

[Dark Hart]

I hate getting grabbed by Ganon

 

[0Room]

uthrow->nair->regrab is pretty fun on as

 

[Dorsey]

Maybe I'm late on this, but seriously, I think pools should count just as much as bracket also. I think MM's should be weighted equally too, but maybe their should be a minimum amount just so there is no confusion for anyone as to whether or not it will count. I seriously believe that putting the same weight on pools as bracket matches (PR-wise), will most likely yield the potential to train the players of NC to take all serious matches... more seriously (as in... we'd seriously do better OOS if he all had a slightly more serious mindset). I really think NC would seriously be a better smash state (significantly) if everyone had been taking all matches (on the day of a tournament) more seriously since day one. I mean seriously, not taking pools seriously is like you seriously have a free pass not to play as seriously. We also seriously have a problem with a lack of data, which is seriously important to having less confusion with/more accurate PR's. Just my opinion... but seriously.

Classic straw man. Seriously Ace, take your idiocy somewhere else.

 

[Divinokage]

yo i'ma start finding ways to do regrabs with ganon.

and when i do.

it's on.

my only regrab so far is downthrow -> bair -> regrab on marth at 0% lol. my moves are too strong

regrabs are one of the coolest things in this game, i think.

fox's nair -> regrab on floaties seems so funny and awesome to me.

i'm such a nublet.

edit: hmm...what if i first hit nair as a popup to regrab....time to hit the lab...

Wrong character to go for regrabs. lol. The instances are very little for sure.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah...he just doesn't have moves to keep people close, or the speed to chase people down in the air.

maybe i should start trying to find more things to lead to tipman resets...those are ultra situational to though...

guhhh ganon innovation is so hard. his moves are built for effective, not necessarily for cool.

 

[Lightsyde]

I disagree, get those regrabs with errrrrrrrrrrrrbody. First hit Nair to Regrab with Ganon might work...

Also, use his moonwalk and wavelands for slippery grab tricks after strong hits at low percents. Could work. haha

 

[Dorsey]

Lightsyde- I am not sure that if you comprehend with the logic behind kage's post or not. Either that, or you are just trolling. Perhaps being that he is on a higher level than you, you cannot grasp what he is saying.. In fact, I find it likely after reading the insightful debate between you and phoot. Anyway, what he means though, is that Ganondorf is not a character where you should actually have planned re-grabs on your mind.. There is usually a much better option than considering a planned re-grab after a specific move for him as well as specific positioning. It's better just to know that it's possible and do it off reaction when needed/wanted during these few opportunities.

No offense, but I don't expect you to comprehend being that you have to play at that level to do so. After all, Kage beat mango so how can you expect to understand his thought process? I am sure you have come a long way since you lost that money match to me at the last tourney I was at, but you still have quite the distance to go.

 

[Lightsyde]

ITT: Jesse tries way too hard and lives in the past.

Also: I of course know that Ganon isn't a good character to go for regrabs with being that his moves are too strong and he's not generally fast enough to chase an initial hit. Doesn't mean you can't catch some weird DI or find some little trick that makes it work as a mix up every once in a while. That's all I was saying. It's obviously not going to be a good primary strategy like it is for Falcon or Fox.

 

[Divinokage]

Lightsyde- I am not sure that if you comprehend with the logic behind kage's post or not. Either that, or you are just trolling. Perhaps being that he is on a higher level than you, you cannot grasp what he is saying.. In fact, I find it likely after reading the insightful debate between you and phoot. Anyway, what he means though, is that Ganondorf is not a character where you should actually have planned re-grabs on your mind.. There is usually a much better option than considering a planned re-grab after a specific move for him as well as specific positioning. It's better just to know that it's possible and do it off reaction when needed/wanted during these few opportunities.

No offense, but I don't expect you to comprehend being that you have to play at that level to do so. After all, Kage beat mango so how can you expect to understand his thought process? I am sure you have come a long way since you lost that money match to me at the last tourney I was at, but you still have quite the distance to go.

The only really guaranteed re-grab i can think of is with Dair and only at low %. Other than that, I mean one aerial will pop the guy upwards basically everytime to chain another aerial maybe. But I really can't see re-grabs. With aerials that made the guy tech on a platform into a read you can but not as a true combo though. It's not like Falcon where you can knee --> grab combos or with nair and stuff lol.

Edit: I guess MAYBE Dtilt but i'm not even sure.. oh ya, Forward-B might work too.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

ganon regrabs are definitely lol

but regrabs are one of the few things in this game that make me say "oh!"

that, and like a running spacie dtilt. i should try more of those.

 

[Dorsey]

Lightsyde: Yes you're right; I have always had a problem with trying so hard and getting angry and johning at everyone over video games. I've been trying to get past it, but my true tendencies seem to surface in the form of long forum posts trying to justify meaningless points / defending my video game prowess that's practically non-existent. I know I've said that I've gotten better, but truth be told I still have a LONG way to go.

Man, that felt good to get off my chest..

 

[Lightsyde]

Yeah I was actually thinking about Forward B -> Pivot regrab working. I hadn't thought of Dtilt yet, I couldn't remember if that actually popped people up like Falcon's or kinda sent them out.

And yeah, I guess it would depend on what you're calling a regrab. If Stomp -> Techchase Grab can count you could also do some whacky with chasing CC'd or ground teched aerials (maybe something like: Last part of the tipman hit box sending them into the ground are CC/tech it -> tech chase?). Makes me wanna mess around with Ganon combos soon. haha

EDIT: Chris, Fox's run up Dtilt or run up anything -> Dtilt = soooo good. haha Shield pokes, has huge range and pops them up in a hilariously easy to punish manner. If Falco's feathers had the same range as Fox's bushy *** tail, that might be one of the best kill moves in the game. lmao

 

[Divinokage]

ganon regrabs are definitely lol

but regrabs are one of the few things in this game that make me say "oh!"

that, and like a running spacie dtilt. i should try more of those.

Really? I personally prefer thunderous blows a lot more but.. i guess i can see that. For me regrabs make me go "Oh!" more in doubles, like let's say you are in a flanking position with your partner, and then he knees him, then you grab him right away stopping the momentum of the knee... now that's cool. lol.

Yeah I was actually thinking about Forward B -> Pivot regrab working. I hadn't thought of Dtilt yet, I couldn't remember if that actually popped people up like Falcon's or kinda sent them out.

And yeah, I guess it would depend on what you're calling a regrab. If Stomp -> Techchase Grab can count you could also do some whacky with chasing CC'd or ground teched aerials (maybe something like: Last part of the tipman hit box sending them into the ground are CC/tech it -> tech chase?). Makes me wanna mess around with Ganon combos soon. haha

The thing is with Ganon's forward B is that if you SDI behind, the opponent will go flying REALLY far so Ganon definitely won't get a regrab and also at low % it's scary to forward B because of CC. Though I think he meant guaranteed re-grabs while in stun.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

forward be depends on DI so much it's hard to use. sometimes it's straight up, sometimes its out, sometimes it sends behind me...it's weird.

josh, there's no need to reply to dorsey, so please don't

stingers let me know that i aerial to jab on shield too much, and it's outlandishly true. you may see a lot of aerial grab on shield more. it's just hard to space for a grab without getting ***** by something oos.

it's not the pain of the hit that does it, it's usually the surprise of the decision. like a nair across the stage into regrab/dtilt rather than more nairs or an usmash surprises me.

edit: and regrabs on platforms are fun, though i can barely consider those regrabs. they look funny though. the first time i saw one i was like "well that's a funny decision" and then i started to do them, specifically against floaties, but against ffers i get the freer dthrow dsmash on a platform, and thats rather desirable.

 

[Dr Peepee]

yo i'ma start finding ways to do regrabs with ganon.

and when i do.

it's on.

my only regrab so far is downthrow -> bair -> regrab on marth at 0% lol. my moves are too strong

regrabs are one of the coolest things in this game, i think.

fox's nair -> regrab on floaties seems so funny and awesome to me.

i'm such a nublet.

edit: hmm...what if i first hit nair as a popup to regrab....time to hit the lab...

Jab regrab dude. Just make them stop rolling first like they wanna do. You could do it over the course of a set on anyone if you do it right.

Uhhhh.....stomping people into platforms and grabs if you grab somewhere before that? lol stomping into the ground in general with Ganon is beastly.

yeah...he just doesn't have moves to keep people close, or the speed to chase people down in the air.

maybe i should start trying to find more things to lead to tipman resets...those are ultra situational to though...

guhhh ganon innovation is so hard. his moves are built for effective, not necessarily for cool.

Stomp to stomp tech chases!!!!!

empty hops to sh/fh uairs to EXPLODE SUDDENLY

I could do more off the top but that's no fun

point is there's hot Ganon stuff I know hasn't happened in modern times yet lol. hmu to discuss more, or we can discuss it here idc. I can tell you how I go about inventing things. =p

forward be depends on DI so much it's hard to use. sometimes it's straight up, sometimes its out, sometimes it sends behind me...it's weird.

josh, there's no need to reply to dorsey, so please don't

stingers let me know that i aerial to jab on shield too much, and it's outlandishly true. you may see a lot of aerial grab on shield more. it's just hard to space for a grab without getting ***** by something oos.

it's not the pain of the hit that does it, it's usually the surprise of the decision. like a nair across the stage into regrab/dtilt rather than more nairs or an usmash surprises me.

edit: and regrabs on platforms are fun, though i can barely consider those regrabs. they look funny though. the first time i saw one i was like "well that's a funny decision" and then i started to do them, specifically against floaties, but against ffers i get the freer dthrow dsmash on a platform, and thats rather desirable.

Ganon's weak moves...

jab, tipman.....Nair I guess? crap dude that's not much to work with ROFL. at least you get to combo even at CC percents XD

AC Uairs probably **** for fast looking combos so if you mix those up with slower moves it could be snazzy. same with Bairs I imagine.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, i chain uairs a lot. i did it to mike and he was like "whoa, its like i was looking at my combos in slow-mo".

have you been hit by jab? it's a kill move.

i actually jab wavedash jabbed as a combo. like they got knocked in the air by the jab, and i got over there and jabbed again before they could do anything. looked goofy as hell. wavejabs are one of the funnest things i'm able to do.

up b is such a funny move. i up b oos when i'm too lazy/far to wavedash oos and want a good laugh.

i stomp stomp techchase. whenever me and 0room do those mm's, i'll show you what i'm talkin bout

i think i'ma try to combo with dtilt more like i want foxes to do. techchase dtilt -> nair -> ganon sounds like some goofy potential LOL. i'ma try some things when i play EWBF tonight.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Twitch combos with Dtilt

it's really dumb

everyone DI dtilt away if you wanna live

but you never think it's coming

 

[Divinokage]

Jab into grab? That doesn't work from the ground, it's unsafe to do it.. it works only if the jab swatted them from the air somehow. Actually I did something like, Dair into dair.. techchase on a platform, dair into dair and as i was falling from the FH (Or was it DJ?) Dair --> Fair. GG see ya. lol.

 

[Dr Peepee]

It doesn't work on its own.

It works with MINDGAMES though

 

[SK919]

Ganon's waveland jabs are so cute. That combo you described sounds sexy

 

[Moophobia]

I wish I had the fire that chris does.

 

[Juno McGrath]

theres a fire starting in my heart...

 

[Lightsyde]

The man is hungry, practices and learned the value of creativity in this game.

Chris makes me so proud. NC finally starting to stand up makes me proud.

I'm trying to **** at Apex.

 

[SK919]

If you wish you had the fire than why don't you have it.

It is not material, it's mental... This "fire" is just the way he is... He plays smash so he will do the best he can with smash.. he's a chemistry major so he will do the best with chemistry.. . he loves ashley and his family so he will do his best to make sure they are proud of him.

I am similar; No reason to accept mediocrity in anything that I do... I know he feels the same way.. the result is the "fire".

 

[Moophobia]

lol thanks for the update john madden

 

[stingers]

lol moo the only problem is discipline really. both of you guys want to be really good, the thing is chris is willing to work harder than you for it, which I suppose is directly correlated to his motivation. if you really do want to improve it takes effort, you can't really improve passively in large amounts once you've gotten the more basic character-related aspects down.

 

[Divinokage]

It doesn't work on its own.

It works with MINDGAMES though

Do I look like I have mindgames or something? =P

I wish I had the fire that chris does.

Where there's a will, there's a way. That's the fire.

 

[Dark Hart]

time to practice Melee alone for the first time in like a month


yeee

 

[Moophobia]

I used to care a whole lot and practice all the time. Now I just don't but I love smash too much. and some of the people.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

*shrug* there really isn't any particular fire.

i just play on wednesdays with ethan. there's just a lot of cool stuff in this game. the combination of being too lazy to get a hold on a better character and the fact that i sincerely enjoy playing ganon leads me to try to find the cool things about ganon.

if i practiced my wavelands alone like i used to last year i wonder where i'd be. probably not much different. i've put a lot less effort into this game physically, and although i think about it a bit, i'm simply trying to do things just a touch different than i used to, and it's working out.

this game really is just calculus. problem is i don't really understand calculus. It's simply the sum of a lot of small things. also known as an integral. you can break up the game into a lot of small actions, and consider each stock, or even each hit as the sum of those actions. if you change the function of your actions even slightly, the integral will change drastically.

MAN **** PHYSICS MAKING ME THINK ABOUT MELEE AS INTEGRALS ****ING BULL**** *** CLASS AASLKGJALSJG

 

[Dr Peepee]

Maybe you need to think differently? Consider how you could do something better instead of thinking of it as improving or work. For example, how could you make a combo more interesting or better? Everyone likes combos and thinking about how to make one better is fun to discuss even in a lighthearted manner, so maybe you just need more fun subjects like that to think on and can transfer that mood to more serious stuff like efficient edeguards or something.

@Kage: LOOOOOOL it's no fun if you do it for me =p

@Lucas: **** =)


Edit: lmao chris

 

[Bl@ckChris]

kevin you're copying me.

i just said it in calculus. cause i'm dumb. guhhhh i failed that physics test so hard last night it's making me sad.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I was talking to moo XD

but yeah you do good stuff so keep doing more good stuff. and play on your own more if you wanna quit being salty.

also you got this on school bros =)

 

[stingers]

i failed a calculus test so hard last night chris...im there with u =[
and I just had a chemistry test today I doubt I did great on

too much ****ing melee

 

[Divinokage]

Maybe you need to think differently? Consider how you could do something better instead of thinking of it as improving or work. For example, how could you make a combo more interesting or better? Everyone likes combos and thinking about how to make one better is fun to discuss even in a lighthearted manner, so maybe you just need more fun subjects like that to think on and can transfer that mood to more serious stuff like efficient edeguards or something.

@Kage: LOOOOOOL it's no fun if you do it for me =p

@Lucas: **** =)


Edit: lmao chris

Oh ya.. you played Linguini recently, how did that go?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah. i'm pretty sure i got somewhere between a 96-100 on my inorganic chem test today. but that physics test...*sigh*. this teacher does an in class and an out of class, where we can all work together. I had legitimate answers for maybe 4 out of the 6, but how much of it was right is a stretch. i plan to get close to 100 on the out of class like i usually do, so hopefully it'll average out to a C-B- ish...i hope.

long as i get a B in the class it won't destroy my gpa too badly i guess =/ it's just frustrating to not know things.

and i was talking to moo too hater. i'm sure he'll like my calculus example more than your...words of wisdom!

 

[Dr Peepee]

Oh ya.. you played Linguini recently, how did that go?

I learned I can consistently combo Ganon now. =p

I also learned FH Dair is good on Ganon which is weird.

I also learned I suck at approaching Ganon without waiting for a while.

I also learned Ganon can get BS grabs like Falcon on spacies from shield(not from behind) and that made me sad.

Falco dies offstage LOL.

Ganon on the edge is dummmmb.

Linguini's a cool dude.




Edit: ......aight chris LMAOOO