The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[Dr Peepee]

Flowin: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312674 it's pretty darn far from you though lol. VA is going and they're legit so it'd be great practice if you came.

Not sure when the next NC tourney is after that but it's probably an NCSU in Raleigh on the 19th.

 

[FlowinWater]

Nice, that maybe too soon for me, I haven't touched the game in so long I don't want to embarrass myself :/. I am going to gamestop today to buy the game and controller.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Word, well we'll keep havin stuff often so come on by when you get back into it haha. The experience couldn't hurt =p

 

[Bl@ckChris]

great, another falco i have to deal with....guhhhhh

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Lucas

I was informed that you came by yesterday, however, I was under the influence of substances, sketching in the park. I wasn't even aware that I had a good controller at home lol.

 

[0Room]

Nice, that maybe too soon for me, I haven't touched the game in so long I don't want to embarrass myself :/. I am going to gamestop today to buy the game and controller.

Haha you don't even have to enter
Just going to play is super useful

I've done that quite a few times recently, actually
Though I really need to kick it up again

Dark Souls kinda
ate my soul

puns intended

 

[Dark Hart]

Lucas

I was informed that you came by yesterday, however, I was under the influence of substances, sketching in the park. I wasn't even aware that I had a good controller at home lol.

You don't lol I just took the best one I could find a told gofg to deal looooooool

Also let's cheeeeeeeeeeell soon like maybe today? :0

 

[Sneak8288]

My opinion on the pools matches is that it should definitely count just as much as any other tourney match since it is in tournament just like the bracket matches.

 

[Lightsyde]

Turkey baster.

That is all.

 

[AlcyoNite]

I really dont think pools should count for PR's at all considering their function in tournament

Pools are created from PR's iirc
So, if pools matches influenced PR's, couldnt they perpetuate immobility in the rankings?

Pools are also used to seed the bracket, so
as opposed to being used as an additional tool to balance the "conservative," less changing nature of the PR's, wouldnt they in theory just marginalize the effect that pools have in seeding?

The swiss format that was used here (and adjusted for smash) at the last tournament is pretty good.
But instead of running the entire tournament in swiss, final scores were used for bracket seeding. PR's used in this instance are still practical, but they dont necessarily directly influence final seeding, they just make things less random (read: not necessarily more predictable)

Pros:
After swiss seeding, you pretty much cannot complain about your seed

You play a good amount of matches before the tournament with people on/near your level (except for maybe the first round), so results are less preordained

Cons:
May (or may not) take longer than pools because your full series of matches is not pre-set, so you cant have, say, Nathan Ducketshire sit down and play out all of his matches and be done

Its a little more work for the TO(s) to calcuate who should play next after each series of games, but it sort of replaces the more subjective seeding system that follows after pools matches have been played out, so idk it might be the same amount of work

 

[Dr Peepee]

Swiss is ideal, but we run tourneys badly.

Also, people closer to skill in pools could beat each other and it's still better than not doing pools or swiss.

Bracket is determined by PRs anyway so pools actually helps gauge how people are doing compared to a few people around their skill level and see if anything changed.

TOs already have to work around region stuff and pools results when creating a bracket sometimes(TIO didn't cooperate with us <.<) so it was still a lot of work to set this up and get run at all either way.


I still think Swiss is better if we run tourneys more efficiently aka take your smoke breaks when you have free time. This seems to be the last big problem NC tourneys have in terms of efficiency. If we can work with this habit instead of against it then we can get crews done and get Swiss formats run and everyone is happier and more hyped.

 

[0Room]

Yeah I'd like to get to the point where people say "NC runs tournaments well" as opposed to "they run them horribly"

So if anyone ever needs help with any tournament I am attending
I will gladly give 110% to help this tournament run smoothly

I think this is an area that needs some updating

Spoiler

because I'm sick of Kevin being salty about it

 

[stingers]

I can't control when people leave, and we weren't running any serious time constraints this time around so its not a big deal. The next one will be a lot more strained for time im sure though so the smoke breaks aren't really gonna fly lol

 

[Dr Peepee]

You can control it LOL you're the TO. If there's anyone who could have control over the players it would be the guy organizing the players.



Edit: rofl 0room

 

[AlcyoNite]

Swiss is ideal, but we run tourneys badly.

Also, people closer to skill in pools could beat each other and it's still better than not doing pools or swiss.

Bracket is determined by PRs anyway so pools actually helps gauge how people are doing compared to a few people around their skill level and see if anything changed.

TOs already have to work around region stuff and pools results when creating a bracket sometimes(TIO didn't cooperate with us <.<) so it was still a lot of work to set this up and get run at all either way.


I still think Swiss is better if we run tourneys more efficiently aka take your smoke breaks when you have free time. This seems to be the last big problem NC tourneys have in terms of efficiency. If we can work with this habit instead of against it then we can get crews done and get Swiss formats run and everyone is happier and more hyped.

were any of these comments directed toward using pools for PR's?

 

[Dr Peepee]

If you don't think so then no

Edit: I'm tired today just posting thoughts

 

[Redd]

Flowin: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312674 it's pretty darn far from you though lol. VA is going and they're legit so it'd be great practice if you came.

Not sure when the next NC tourney is after that but it's probably an NCSU in Raleigh on the 19th.

There's a tourney on the 5th here at Tech.

Balls.

 

[0Room]

Two things:
1) How many of you would be willing to come to ASU for a tournament?
2) How would you guys believe that a TO can push a tournament?

I think that he can, but since that no one can really control anyone else, there's only a certain point to where you can do something [as evidenced by some M2K situations]
So mostly saying
Should people be DQ'd for being late?

Could you look at your friend in the face and say "You can't play because you were x minutes late"?

edit;
These are kinda inspired by the Big House thread where everyone's talking about how Juggleguy and the rest of the TOs finished on time so well
So we should talk to them about what they did and try to implement a lot of that

 

[Dr Peepee]

I don't know what they did but MW TOs are always amazing.

And plank DQ'd m2k and everyone else fell in line super quick. That's usually how that goes, or a good way to go about it I suppose.

 

[0Room]

Well I know that's changed recently
I was just referencing that as an example

 

[AlcyoNite]

Ive noticed here that theres just a general culture of "dont hold up the tournament"

When the TO's ready to call out the bracket, he will call u out by name over the mic to get u to stop your friendlies. He monitors the bracket and will approach you to ask why you havent played your match(es) yet.

In addition to discouraging mass lunch breaks, it may also help to have some medium of addressing the entire venue. It gives the TO power to be able to put people on blast.

 

[Dr Peepee]

megaphones are really fun anyway if no PA system is present

 

[stingers]

uhh kevin
if someone wants to leave
...
they will
its not like they check with me first
stop assuming the TO has actual control over everything lol. all I control is the bracket, I can DQ people if its a problem but it never was this time because we had so much time to do everything

 

[waldorf2007]

yo alex get off smashboards and study. or else I'm coming to your place to brawl.

 

[stingers]

lol you can come to my place and watch me browse smashboards and do my hw
go play with leo ******

 

[$mike]

I still think Swiss is better if we run tourneys more efficiently aka take your smoke breaks when you have free time. This seems to be the last big problem NC tourneys have in terms of efficiency. If we can work with this habit instead of against it then we can get crews done and get Swiss formats run and everyone is happier and more hyped.

word

at ncsu people left on at least 2 occasions for extended periods of time, especially at the beginning of the tournament. it seemed like we were swayed not to do teams because half of the people who entered went MIA for more than an hour...

there's only so much the TO can do. imo it's not the TO's place to tell people not to leave. rather, there should be an understanding to everybody that if they leave in the middle of the tournament they're entered in, there will be disqualifications. who gives a **** if you leave

try that **** in tristate/NE, and your *** would be DQ'd in 10 minutes

 

[0Room]

I don't think he's telling you that you need to control every little thing Stingers
Or that it's your particular fault

Just to be on point in the future and if people aren't going to play their matches
Have consequences

Or at least that's what I'm getting from that

 

[Dr Peepee]

sort of like that. TO is more lax, and people think it's okay. TO is more strict(within reason), people work around/with it. Sort of a cause effect thing. I'm not pointing fingers so much as offering a suggestion.

 

[Dark Hart]

I went out for a... break.... after pools

 

[stingers]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=313169

=]

 

[Pitzer]

Is something going down this weekend, Im off so I might come to pay my N.C bro's a visit if smash is involved! <3

 

[~Twitch~]

yo i'm off this weekend too. let's hang out dude. :D

 

[Dr Peepee]

ain't junk goin on in NC this weekend =(

 

[AlcyoNite]

twitch u can drive?

 

[Lightsyde]

I went out when I deemed it necessary for me to perform my best in tournament. I was destressed as needed and no one told me to hurry or rushed me to come back. Every time Alex approached me I was starting to play a pools match. We were under no time constraints so everybody took their sweet time to chill.

Teams didn't happen because not enough people entered. Almost everyone who left prior to teams was signed up to do teams if it happened. The real problem is that we had 23 entrants and only half of those people signed up for teams. Had nothing to do with breaks.

Basically, people are going to take breaks as needed. If there is need to hurry back (or to hurry in the first place), people should be informed at the tourney or prior to them leaving, and if anybody has been gone too long, then they can always be called or texted.

EDIT: And don't be silly, of course Twitch can drive

Spoiler

himself to cry, especially in his dreams where the Sorting Hat puts him into Slytherin.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

I wanna get good at Melee.

I'm gonna revisit the IC boards, I have friends to get reacquainted with.

Hopefully I can make these someday. I know it won't be soon, but I'm gonna try.

Don't let me get discouraged, please.

 

[Lightsyde]

That will require you to actually play with me more!

And other people!

Perhaps next time with less or more tequila and gin than was involved last night.

/regret nothing

 

[Juno McGrath]

Smash fest at my house this weekend?

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

MORE TEQUILA NEXT TIME, JOSH

More tequila

 

[Lightsyde]

MORE TEQUILA NEXT TIME, JOSH

More tequila

I'm not sure you're ready for more of the Tequila soaked bird of prey. He'll poke more holes in offense than my dancing put in those black socks.

CHALLENGE INCEPTED