The NEW Yoshi Matchup Thread V2|Week 10 - Zelda

[Ryusuta]

Dude, he staggers his recovery (against SHEIK), then recovers UNDER the stage and does a DOWN AIR. Don't tell me that that Yoshi has any intelligence whatsoever. Had he jumped instantly, that would have been it for the so-called combo. Please take my word for it: that Yoshi is crap.

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

Yoshi can roll away from the down smash. Believe me, I know R.O.B. players that live and breathe by this move.

ROB nubs gotta stop that, its not his best move anymore lol.
But yea I see what your saying that it can be rolled away from.

URGENT FOR THE ROB PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Yoshi's can outcamp us.
*From afar our laser can hit but wont really do anything to him plus we have to wait for it to recharge, his Egg comes out faster and can throw them continuously.
*Any Yoshi player coming into you is doing something wrong, if anything I see the ROB being the aggressor in the match.
*A smart ROB player should NOT be trying to gimp a Yoshi, if anything Yoshi at high level play shouldnt be gimped at all. Ive seen Yoshi's use the egg just to recover without using their second jump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d9uw30AEl8
Dont judge the Yoshi on how good he is but he does beat a MK and I see the annoyance of the eggs and the way he can use it as his recovery.
*Yoshi should not be using Side-B, if he does its a mistake or a really noob Yoshi.

ROB's Side-B isnt worthless Ive proven that, Ive been the only ROB player to use it effectively....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3VNZ58cuwA
check out 1:53
check out 3:21
Ive done it to all the best players in SoCal.

But it shouldnt be done against Yoshi, you cant shield poke him and it has too much lag at the end and he can actually punish you easily for it.

 

[Ryusuta]

That's actually a pretty cool use of that move. Nice one.

I think the jury's still out on who can outcamp who, but we both give each other a very healthy run for our money at most ranges.

 

[GwJ]

The Yoshi in the video that was just posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d9uw30AEl8) shows the Yoshi getting back on the stage using is Dair. Tell me that Yoshi is inexperienced.

 

[Ryusuta]

There are indeed times in which the down air is appropriate for returns. That Sheik fight was NOT one of them.

 

[Deleted member]

Shadow needs to come to san diego and get some rob vs yoshi experience.
=)

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

Im going to SD in January with DSF =]
We are going to team there too

@Sir Orion: Wish there was a way we could play other then online so we can actually have a better view of the match.

 

[Poltergust]

...I'm sorry if I came off as a little mean to stingers. I guess I just got offended due to his lack of knowledge of the match-up. I'm very sorry... =(

Anyways, on the topic of recovery, against R.O.B. Yoshi can basically recover at any point that he wants because R.O.B. doesn't have an answer for Yoshi's eggs. And due to the high trajectory the R.O.B.'s attacks usually hit us, we would rarely need to use our second jump. Egg Toss is usually just fine.

Oh, and nice way to use your side-B. I guess both R.O.B.'s and Yoshi's side-B's are similar in that they should only be used a couple of times a match. =P

EDIT: Well, we have to make due with what we have. Unless you can find a good Yoshi in your area, then we can only really refer to online. =/

Speaking of which, would you like to play against me? I'd like to see how this sort of match-up can turn out.

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

...I'm sorry if I came off as a little mean to stingers. I guess I just got offended due to his lack of knowledge of the match-up. I'm very sorry... =(

Anyways, on the topic of recovery, against R.O.B. Yoshi can basically recover at any point that he wants because R.O.B. doesn't have an answer for Yoshi's eggs. And due to the high trajectory the R.O.B.'s attacks usually hit us, we would rarely need to use our second jump. Egg Toss is usually just fine.

Oh, and nice way to use your side-B. I guess both R.O.B.'s and Yoshi's side-B's are similar in that they should only be used a couple of times a match. =P

EDIT: Well, we have to make due with what we have. Unless you can find a good Yoshi in your area, then we can only really refer to online. =/

Speaking of which, would you like to play against me? I'd like to see how this sort of match-up can turn out.

ROB's are alil sensitive lol
Everyone snaps at one another especially in these kinda threads, trust me, you should see the ROB threads lol.
Well against eachother i dont see them using their Side-B at all lol
Out here, no there are no Yoshi's unless my cousin wants to go back and pick him up again.
The best Yoshi out here was Furb when he came to actually play from Texas but I didnt play him.
He almost beat Ajax though.
I hate online but Ill play....
BFC: 2062-8799-8807
Send me yours
if anyone wants to play just add me, send me yours and then we can play.
Online is gay but Im down =]

 

[Poltergust]

Mine is visible above my post count. =P

EDIT: Yes, online sucks, but we have to make the most of it. Let's just hope for no lag. ^_^

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

Poltergust just gimmie like 10 min if you wanna play now, Ima go to my cousins house and there I can play cuz I dont have WiFi here ;=/

 

[Poltergust]

OK, I can wait. Us gamers have patience built inside of us.

 

[Ryusuta]

Oh, shoot. There were online games afoot, and I wasn't here to see? I'd love to get in on some of this action.

 

[Poltergust]

OK, lag cut us off, but we managed to get some good games in. I won most of them, but the point of these matches were to develop a better sense of the match-up. (Good games, by the way. )

Some things that I've noted:

- Yoshi's f-smash beats out R.O.B.'s f-tilt and d-tilt. Take THAT, Sockz! =D
- R.O.B. is actually usually safe to shield-grab, as I managed to do it quite a few times against him. o_O
- Yoshi Bomb is a good move because it stops R.O.B.'s spot-dodge -> d-smash.
- Yoshi is VERY succepatable to a d-smash. However, a jab can clank with it. And then you can do another jab immediately afterwards and R.O.B. can't retaliate.
- I made the mistake of attacking usually when I'm recovering. Against R.O.B., this is NOT a good idea. Don't do it. Only air-dodge.
- R.O.B. can't deal with the eggs. I swear that my eggs along did like 40% every stock.
- Egg Roll is useless, and Dragonic Egg Lay may actually be dangerous to use.
- Beware of R.O.B.'s b-air. I'm now certain that this is his primary kill move for Yoshi.
- R.O.B.'s f-air is deadly. If he is facing you, DON'T confront him in the air.
- R.O.B. can really only reliably use his f-air and b-air. N-air is okay, but his u-air and d-air are useless.
- Like I've said: U-air = Dead R.O.B.. This is Yoshi's primary kill move for this match-up.
- Yoshi's d-smash works surprisingly well here.
- Yoshi can spot-dodge R.O.B.'s entire d-smash if you time it correctly. You can then punish with a Yoshi Bomb.
- Don't bother trying to spike R.O.B.. Just... don't.
- Yoshi apparently does well on Yoshi's Island, Halberd, and Brinstar. Very good stage choices for R.O.B..

Well, that's everything.

P.S.: Oh, and I loved the ending to the second Smashville fight.

 

[Deleted member]

Lol maybe i can get some offline games with shadow in january =)

Edit: Nice summery polturgust =)

 

[Kiwikomix]

Just dropping in to see what's up. Good to see the matchup discussion is still going strong.
ALSO. Why are my stickies still stickies? Someone should really get on that.

 

[Poltergust]

Thanks, Sockz. However, there is one thing that I'm still unsure of based off the matches: Which character can out-spam each other. We were tossing projectiles left and right so much that it may actually be even. @_@

soloSHADOWROB, what do you think of these matches? It'll be nice to know what you got from them, too.

 

[Airborne]

OK, lag cut us off, but we managed to get some good games in. I won most of them, but the point of these matches were to develop a better sense of the match-up. (Good games, by the way. )

Some things that I've noted:

- Yoshi's f-smash beats out R.O.B.'s f-tilt and d-tilt. Take THAT, Sockz! =D
- R.O.B. is actually usually safe to shield-grab, as I managed to do it quite a few times against him. o_O
- Yoshi Bomb is a good move because it stops R.O.B.'s spot-dodge -> d-smash.
- Yoshi is VERY succepatable to a d-smash. However, a jab can clank with it. And then you can do another jab immediately afterwards and R.O.B. can't retaliate.
- I made the mistake of attacking usually when I'm recovering. Against R.O.B., this is NOT a good idea. Don't do it. Only air-dodge.
- R.O.B. can't deal with the eggs. I swear that my eggs along did like 40% every stock.
- Egg Roll is useless, and Dragonic Egg Lay may actually be dangerous to use.
- Beware of R.O.B.'s b-air. I'm now certain that this is his primary kill move for Yoshi.
- R.O.B.'s f-air is deadly. If he is facing you, DON'T confront him in the air.
- R.O.B. can really only reliably use his f-air and b-air. N-air is okay, but his u-air and d-air are useless.
- Like I've said: U-air = Dead R.O.B.. This is Yoshi's primary kill move for this match-up.
- Yoshi's d-smash works surprisingly well here.
- Yoshi can spot-dodge R.O.B.'s entire d-smash if you time it correctly. You can then punish with a Yoshi Bomb.
- Don't bother trying to spike R.O.B.. Just... don't.
- Yoshi apparently does well on Yoshi's Island, Halberd, and Brinstar. Very good stage choices for R.O.B..

Well, that's everything.

P.S.: Oh, and I loved the ending to the second Smashville fight.

i wanna add to this astounding summary to at least try to bait rob with eggs before you try to chase him up with a uair kill; robs always end up finishing me with nair. T_T also, be careful with your approaches; dsmash gets annoying after a long time. i also noticed that one rob who i played a long time ago couldn't do **** against yoshi's bair on a slope (sadly, the tournament made the stage yoshi's island melee...). and be sure to at least try to get one or two dairs in on him for some decent damage, as long as your not trying to spike him. XD

edit: i'm not very good at explaining anything, so i'm just trying to help. =\ and it's probably easier to outspam rob when hehas just used his laser. =P

 

[Tidycats29]

I'll be brawling stingers in a shortwhile to know the match up better for him

o and polter
you probably knew this

but if you are downloading something or youtubing at the same time as brawling
it makes it lag

same goes for your opponent

 

[GwJ]

Well I just played Poltergust on the AiB ladder. He won 2-1. There is but one thing I wanted to point out. I recall someone saying that any good Yoshi will not be gimped from his double jump. I gimped Poltergust twice by Fairing him out of his double jump leaving him egg-hopping to his death.

 

[Deleted member]

Who said polturgust was a good yoshi.

XD jk <3

 

[Poltergust]

*throws Sockz out the window again*

Yes, Tidycats, I know. But why are you telling me? >.>

And those gimps were completely avoidable by me. It's not so much the edge-guarders ability to gimp Yoshi than it is the Yoshi to make a mistake while recovering. I keep on thinking that I must attack out of my double-jump, which is a habit I must overcome...

 

[Mmac]

Yoshi's Recovery is completely determined on the skill of the player, especially in this case. About 95% of the time, it's determined by the person's ability to read the opponents edgehog, and airdodging at the correct time. If they don't, then what you saw is the result.

 

[stingers]

who said they were gonna play me? I'm still on vacation lol. I can play you uh....sunday, I guess.

 

[Poltergust]

Speaking of which, I'm also going to be on vacation till Sunday, so...

Ciao! ^_^

 

[Tidycats29]

who said they were gonna play me? I'm still on vacation lol. I can play you uh....sunday, I guess.

yeah sorry about that

i forgot to pm ya but yeah anyway k

 

[Gindler]

Rob can aim his laser down while you're recovering giving you the choice to air dodge or have it shred your armor, if you airdodge you are suceptable to a fair barrage. With that nifty armor breaking, aimable, unlimited range projectile ROB can actually gimp yoshi even if yoshi does it perfectly. This of course you need yoshi recovering from slightly below and that is the only way I can see yoshi getting gimped...PS: ROBs Bair isn't a good kill move, might be on wi-fi but it's too slow and telegraphed for me...

I guess I need to use more eggs and ROBs won't give me nearly as much trouble.

 

[Mmac]

*Sigh* I was hoping for people like Dragz to come here to discuss....

 

[Tidycats29]

Well i brawled GwJumpman i won 3-1

Now from what i saw i was right
Uair > ROBS nair and Dair

Now i think i showed i can outspam you pretty easily once your gyro thing missed

He didnt gimp me
using eggs for recovery worked very well


I also noticed is fairly easy to Dair ROB while he is recovering and when s shiellding
it usually pokes

so in term of air battle yoshi has the advantage

in ground as i said egg spam is superior IMO

yoshi's bair is pretty good in this match up
it usually pokes and hits

as polter said a jab can clank on ROBS dsmash

but it seems ROBS down smash comes out fast as hell
most of the time it always got me
i tried jabbing onlly 1 time it cllank with it

tried Yoshi bomb and same result

so yes yoshi gets hit by Dsmash pretty easily here

egg roll is good for surprise but it shouldn't be used much

ROBS fair and side tillt are beastly so watch out for that but
yoshis front smash > side tilt and dtilt as polter said

looking at my post now
most of the stuff polter already said XD

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

Poltergeist your Yoshi is GOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!
Haha
Sorry I couldnt get back at you sooner, once I got disconnected my internet went down and I had to leave to my cousins.
I havent had internet til today.
But yea we found out alot of new things
and omg Yoshi's Butt Bomb works great, if I was correct you killed me at 90% in FD with the set up.
We played about 7 matches and Poltergeist won 5 of the 7
I sucked lol
Hopefully we can play in real life soon
I plan to do alot of traveling with DSF =]

 

[Poltergust]

@soloSHADOWROB: Thanks, but... Yoshi Butt Bomb? XD

Anyways, while it is powerful it probably won't KO until 125%, even if it is grounded.

I hope to play you in real life, too. However, being only sixteen-years-old I can really only attend tournaments in Florida. So if you are coming down to Miami for vacation or something we can play in a tournament. =P

@Mmac: ...We're not good enough for you? ;__;

 

[Gindler]

You should go to a gigs sometime poltergust, just food for thought.

 

[Poltergust]

Yes, I'm trying to go to the December one, but my parents are still mulling over it. =/

 

[soloSHADOWROB]

Are there any big tourneys happening in Florida like a Circuit or a Major?
That would be the best chance of me going with DSF =]

 

[Poltergust]

Not that I know of. The closest thing to a big tournament around here is Gigabits (the one I'm trying to get to), which is over in Orlando.

You could wait for FAST2, but that'll take like 7 more months. =(

 

[Furbs]

Shadow ROB why didn't you come to hobo 11 with DSF and edrees?? you could have stayed with us!!!

 

[Mmac]

Sigh, I can't come up with a conclusion until I get better ROB input. I'll put it to 4.5 for now, but I also want to come back to this one.

This week, I'm thinking of doing Toon Link, with some more Regular Link discussion, see if Dead Even is justified.

 

[Ryusuta]

Dude, what the hell? Most of us (particularly the two "testing" match-ups) agreed that Yoshi does well against R.O.B. Even the R.O.B. representatives have conceded to this.

To say Yoshi is even slightly disadvantaged against him is ridiculous.

 

[Tidycats29]

Dude, what the hell? Most of us (particularly the two "testing" match-ups) agreed that Yoshi does well against R.O.B. Even the R.O.B. representatives have conceded to this.

To say Yoshi is even slightly disadvantaged against him is ridiculous.

I agree with this

its no less than even at the least

It should be 55;45 yoshi
not ROB


Anyway I'll go into toon link once i get some testing matches done locally or online
for a better input

 

[sasook]

Link again? I dunno what else to say man, sorry. I feel it's really close to 50-50, maybe 55-45 Yoshi's favor.