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Gotem City Vigilante
Ganon vs samus, link, dk.
Pretty close to even imo.
51:49 in ganon's favor
Pretty close to even imo.
51:49 in ganon's favor
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the most even matchups
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Shoopman
Smash Journeyman
Pikachu vs DK. I love playing Pika in that matchup.
Kason Birdman
Smash Champion
pika vs anyone is even.
pika is so freaking good.
pika is so freaking good.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
all those are pretty good except for peach sheik. it's even in pal maybe
but ntsc i think sheik has a decent advantage, like 53:47
but ntsc i think sheik has a decent advantage, like 53:47
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DippnDots
Feral Youth
I dont see how people think roy vs puff is even.
They both have 1 hit KO combos at 0 percent!! OMG!! It has to be even!
Roy can counter rests? That'd be sweet but it's not anywhere near consistent enough to be considered in the match up.
No, jiggs can escape practically anything roy does trying to combo her, she's probably too floaty to even be uair juggled. Sure, if he hits with his hilt on a smash attack jiggs is most likely KO'd, but jiggs doesn't ever have to get that close to him. She can just do her aerial **** and stay well outta reach of any knockback power roy has. Roy gets absolutely nothing out of a grab on her other than positioning. Roy can't edge guard her, jiggs can edge guard the **** out of him.
There's so much delay on all of roys attacks (excluding shffl'd uair) for jiggs to exploit.
Seriously, jiggs beasts roy
edit: there's a reason Armada went y.link vs hbox instead of Roy
They both have 1 hit KO combos at 0 percent!! OMG!! It has to be even!
Roy can counter rests? That'd be sweet but it's not anywhere near consistent enough to be considered in the match up.
No, jiggs can escape practically anything roy does trying to combo her, she's probably too floaty to even be uair juggled. Sure, if he hits with his hilt on a smash attack jiggs is most likely KO'd, but jiggs doesn't ever have to get that close to him. She can just do her aerial **** and stay well outta reach of any knockback power roy has. Roy gets absolutely nothing out of a grab on her other than positioning. Roy can't edge guard her, jiggs can edge guard the **** out of him.
There's so much delay on all of roys attacks (excluding shffl'd uair) for jiggs to exploit.
Seriously, jiggs beasts roy
edit: there's a reason Armada went y.link vs hbox instead of Roy
Veetaak
Smash Lord
DK vs Fox on FD
50:50
50:50
choknater
Smash Obsessed
fox
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPES
dk
i think 1 punish to death doesnt mean that much when fox can do almost the same to dk, and create more opportunities for it
but idk
maybe its only like 56:44 fox
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPES
dk
i think 1 punish to death doesnt mean that much when fox can do almost the same to dk, and create more opportunities for it
but idk
maybe its only like 56:44 fox
Doc King
Smash Lord
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Peach vs Sheik is a pretty tight, close matchup and I'm actually starting to think that Roy vs Puff has an advantage against Roy except if it's Yoshi's story, Brinstar, or maybe battlefield because of low ceiling.
I really think that Fox vs Falcon is an even matchup because since Falcon is a heavy fastfaller, which makes him one of the hardest for Fox to kill and is the only character who can outrun Fox. Also Falcon is a side way KOer and a vertical comboer which makes Fox's fastfalling speed more of a dissability in the matchup and his bad air speed will make it easy for Falcon to kill fox. Though what makes the matchup even is that Falcon is like one of the easiest characters to gimp in Melee and Fox can gimp pretty good. Also some of Fox's combos like the up tilt, wave shine combos, air juggling, etc. can help Fox against Falcon.
Eggm
Smash Hero
Cosigned. For sure. ^^
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Fox vs Falcon
tl;dr
Fox out prioritizes Falcon in like everything. Falcon can't do anything to get the first hit nearly as easy as Fox can
And for Roy, Roy is bad, very bad. Good luck getting that reverse up-B
Bones0
Smash Legend
Fox vs. Falcon is even? LMAO!
Shoopman
Smash Journeyman
Am I the only one who thinks Falco/Fox is 55:45?
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I want to know what Fox has to make this even
TheGoat
Smash Ace
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not even close...how did you even arrive at that conclusion?
Beat!
Smash Master
Comboing Falcon with Fox is like the easiest thing in the world, and once he's offstage, he's basically dead. What are you talking about?
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
seems like you've approached this from the stand point of him being heavy and calling that a large advantage that is mitigated by random stuff. falcons weight makes him hard(er) to kill, though realistically it is not that hard for fox tokill falcon, and also makes him easy to combo (grabs, shine, etc). also has limited options oos against fox's shield pressure, also shine gimps. falcon can get off on a grab or some sick reads, which gives him hope, but it's really an uphill battle.
fox may be easy for falco to combo but it can be difficult to land combo starters. this mu has been argued quite a bit recently on the falco boards and the balance of opinions suggests an evenish mu
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ganon vs Marth is more even than these I think.Ganon vs samus, link, dk.
Pretty close to even imo.
51:49 in ganon's favor
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
shine spike
VA
Smash Hero
Agree 100%UsurperKingZant: The thing is is honestly don´t agree.
Amsah has influenced a lot of people
Im serious.
I have been playing so many hours with Android and Aniolas and both of them are really good against Peach with shiek.
The matchup is kinda even in Pal and Shiek beat Peach in ntsc for sure.
I have played the sheik peach match up so much. At a different level to you but I feel like there is no way peach beats her in PAL. If Sheik plays it right in PAL it goes even and Sheik ***** her for free in NTSC.
I think Falcon vs Sheik is way more even than people realise. They both have crappy recoveries against each other, and they both **** each other from grab.
P.S aniolas can't be that good against peach I beat him 2-0
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Gotem City Vigilante
If you say so. Marth wins like 55/45 or even 60/40 imo.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
Y-link/jiggs
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Its hard to find a more even matchup in all of videogames than Fox v. Marth.
Marths got gimps
Fox has shine
Fox kills off the top
Marth kills off the bottom/side
Marths got chaingrabs
Fox has uthrow uair
...and it goes on and on in more situational ways. Every offensive option Fox has, Marth can cover, and vice versa. Same with defense.
Its beautiful.
Marths got gimps
Fox has shine
Fox kills off the top
Marth kills off the bottom/side
Marths got chaingrabs
Fox has uthrow uair
...and it goes on and on in more situational ways. Every offensive option Fox has, Marth can cover, and vice versa. Same with defense.
Its beautiful.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
F-tilt can be CC'ed with ease, silly.
Winston
Smash Master
I think Falcon has an advantage without lasers. How is Falco supposed to force hits/pressure him? bair/utilt can only get you so far, as they require Falco to be facing backwards.
I don't know, but playing Hugs did feel strangely like dittoing for some reason. Except he couldn't follow my wd back to reset spacing.
otg
Smash Master
Marth beats Fox like 55/45.
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Roy actually can't Counter on Rest because the invincibility will protect Jigglypuff from his sword swing. You could hit her in the Rest lag, however. Not sure how Counter vs. Rest would ever actually come up in a real match, though, given how slow Roy's counter startup is. They'd basically need to go for a Rest that blatantly wouldn't combo when he didn't have his jump or something (and even then you could probably wiggle > air-dodge before Counter).
Also, reverse Up+B only works on Yoshi's Story iirc if Puff DIs the Up+B correctly.
Yet I only 1 stocked with 110% damage
For the first 130% yeah, then Peach becomes immune to any kind of setup to kill her. (And that's assuming you don't do anything stupid like..attack her first)
He is, it's just a bad matchup..lolP.S aniolas can't be that good against peach I beat him 2-0
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Probably but I find that it's easier to beat the characters you mentioned than Marth.
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Gotem City Vigilante
VA
Smash Hero
First sentence = wut?
2nd = If it's even for 130% then pretty sure it's even after that. You're just not playing it right. Don't try to kill her so much
3rd sentence = no, I've played just as much peach vs sheik as aniolas has played sheik vs peach, if not more. So can't I be good at the match up too? Perhaps better than he is?
hungrybox
Smash Legend
Metaknight vs. Doctor Mario
CableCho57
Smash Lord
metaknight vs bowser challenge