The Metal Discussion (Come in here for the chugga chuzz of the br00tal metal)

[DerpDaBerp]

I dunno anything about hipster psuedometal or elitism, but I do tend to just not find -core very appealing :/

 

[Roboturner]

you just have to find the right -core. It's a lot easier to listen to something like Born of Osiris rather than The Faceless.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I dunno anything about hipster psuedometal or elitism, but I do tend to just not find -core very appealing :/

Yeah, that's cool. That's a different thing than that other guy going on about "pseudometal" and "**** you guys here's some REAL METAL like Obscura".

Yo Luigitoilet. You linked that Cave Moth EP awhile ago (like 40 pages) and I thought I would just come back into this thread to say that it's really good. I want to hear a full length production quality album from those guys. Also i'll probably be actively posting in this thread from now on. The Faceless and JFAC are so good.

They are going to be recording a full length in the months to come! I'm excited as well. The guitarist is one of the best local guitar players around.

LOL, why would you ever recommend Born of Osiris over The Faceless? BOO is like Faceless Jr. Though, I guess they are a little more accessible.

Also, Faceless isn't metalcore or any kind of core. They're technical death metal. Born of Osiris is djent/deathcore.

 

[Roboturner]

um, I know The Faceless are not -core. I was just saying that The Faceless are a little more extreme than BoO and some people are turned off by that. BoO is easier on the ears

Btw anybody hear the news on jason richardson leaving BoO? Lots of drama

 

[Luigitoilet]

um, I know The Faceless are not -core. I was just saying that The Faceless are a little more extreme than BoO and some people are turned off by that. BoO is easier on the ears

Btw anybody hear the news on jason richardson leaving BoO? Lots of drama

So why would you talk about the Faceless in the same sentence as "-core" music?

"you just have to find the right -core. It's a lot easier to listen to something like Born of Osiris rather than The Faceless. "

 

[Zwarm]

Imo, the best -core is old Abigail Williams, the Legend EP is still one of my favorites.

Now they're melodic black metal, which is even better to me.

 

[Luigitoilet]

eh i dunno. -core implies a lot of different things. i like to just think of it as lots of different bands doing lots of different things, it all just happens to be heavy or complex in some form. Traditional metal guys should at least be happy that the genre has been constantly evolving since its inception instead of stagnating. it would be lame if metal only meant Death and Repulsion after 30 years. even if you don't like most of the new stuff you should respect that the genre is so open to wild experimentation.

heres some agalloch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ih3JVrRPE

 

[The Ben]

It isn't like it's elitist nonsense though, most metalcore sucks. There are bands I enjoy that have elements of metalcore in their sound but the things that make them stand out are the non-metalcore things. Between The Buried And Me, Protest The Hero, Botch, sometimes Into Eternity have metalcore-ish parts in their songs, etc.

Not sure if anyone digs blackgaze and post-black metal but here's some stuff that might appeal to someone with as awful taste as I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U55YbjXYaKs Heretoir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBfwZb8PFPo Alcest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S08Af4fqso Deafheaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUTmAf9wCFU Sun Devoured Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnIpYNiSRjs Amesoeurs

 

[DerpDaBerp]

http://www.noisecreep.com/2012/01/03/metal-albums-2012/
Noisecreep's most anticipated metal (and hard rock) albums of 2012


Way excited for Gojira and I've been waiting for new Baroness for a long time

 

[Luigitoilet]

/\/\/\/\ I'm surprised to see August Burns Red on that list! I guess it's time I check out Leveller. Constellations was pretty sick.

It isn't like it's elitist nonsense though, most metalcore sucks. There are bands I enjoy that have elements of metalcore in their sound but the things that make them stand out are the non-metalcore things. Between The Buried And Me, Protest The Hero, Botch, sometimes Into Eternity have metalcore-ish parts in their songs, etc.

Not sure if anyone digs blackgaze and post-black metal but here's some stuff that might appeal to someone with as awful taste as I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U55YbjXYaKs Heretoir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBfwZb8PFPo Alcest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S08Af4fqso Deafheaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUTmAf9wCFU Sun Devoured Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnIpYNiSRjs Amesoeurs

oh my! shoegaze is one of my favorite genres ever, and I had no clue that there was a black metal variation of it. Alcest is awesommmme

 

[Geist]

lol I'm surprised you haven't heard of Alcest LT. You might like Lantlos as well, in fact lots of French black metal bands have that shoegazy element to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSuK9kg-ArQ

Also yay for new baroness material

 

[The Ben]

Truth. Lantlos owns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-jYU6jHVUo one of the best metal tracks of 2011 right here. The whole album is solid, but this track blows my mind every time.

 

[Luigitoilet]

new Spawn of Possession!!! oh my gosh

https://www.facebook.com/SpawnofPossession?v=app_178091127385

also, new Veil of Maya but hearing new SOP kinda killed my enthusiasm for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBazfB4oaGE sounds like they've been listening to Born of Osiris lol

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Yeah. Veil Of Maya has ALOT of progressive in it XD

 

[The Ben]

Wow...Veil of Maya still suck. That chuggy breakdown-ish thing at the very end of the song is embarrassing and the riffs sound fairly generic. The mix is also atrocious with the vocals overpowering everything else. With all that said they suck slightly less than they used to. Why is this garbage popular in the metal community?

Looking forward to the new Spawn Of Possession album, that track was great. Christian Müenzner could literally **** through his amp and I'd still fawn over it.

Edit: New Dodecahedron album is solid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sJxnUR8b0Q so jazzy and chaotic. <3

Edit 2: Akphaezya has a new album coming out to. Stop talking about ****ty metalcore and discuss metal that doesn't suck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKaSJd3rMs this owns.

 

[Luigitoilet]

actually that Veil of Maya is like a hundred times worse than their old stuff. They've been getting progressively worse and worse as they go imo. I would never in a hundred years call Veil of Maya progressive but man some of their older **** is just so fun and I think their guitarist is really good when he actually tries doing interesting things.

but Ben, if you keep thread ****ting and **** talking I'm going to start infracting you. This thread is barely active as it is. If we were to segment metal and metalcore into separate threads both of them would sink like an anchor. Anything even remotely metal or hardcore, whether it be punk, prog, grind, extreme, power, fantasy, black, noise, math, crab, nintendo etc etc etc is welcome. get your stick out of your *** and take a shower before you post in here again thx.

 

[Wretched]

Takes it easy weegeesurinal.

Ben, before you bash any genre in general, you should look at it from another perspective. Think about the '60s. The Beatles were thought of as disgusting satanic rock and roll. The '70s rolled around and metal started to develop. It was seen as satanic yelling and unnecessary instrumentation. '80s rolled around, metal got heavy and was crucified by the media as satanic and a bad influence. Death metal started to come around and metal purists called it crap. Heavier versions of Death came out and Death metal bands called them too heavy and gutteral. Grindey stuff started to happen and the heaviest stuff called it noise filled crap.

Now these new age experimental bands create something new and you're going to follow the silly precedent of musical purity and genre hatred?
Just leave the thread please. You're acting like every other close-minded person who has slowed down this wonderful genre that we call metal.

 

[Geist]

You have very strong objective opinions over very subjective material The Ben lol

I personally prefer just to not give a ****. It takes less effort

Oh right, new Lamb of God. Much better than the latest stuffffff

 

[Wretched]

The rejection of any music that isn't a drum machine and burping is the silliest and most ignorant thing you can do in terms of music >.>

 

[Geist]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168380

C:

 

[DerpDaBerp]

ooo, thx for the link

 

[Luigitoilet]

I don't know how I feel about Meshuggah. I mean, they are cool because they were doing djent tones and breakdowns 15 years ago but something about them...I dunno, I just can't get that into them. I think it's the vocals.

 

[The Ben]

The thing I love most about Meshuggah isn't even the djent stuff. I love the way they'll ride a groove to the point of sounding like an extremely uptempo drone metal style (if that even makes any sense).

 

[DerpDaBerp]

For me Meshuggah's vocals are right in that zone of general monotony and strain that it's kind of cathartic.

 

[Geenareeno]

actually that Veil of Maya is like a hundred times worse than their old stuff. They've been getting progressively worse and worse as they go imo. I would never in a hundred years call Veil of Maya progressive but man some of their older **** is just so fun and I think their guitarist is really good when he actually tries doing interesting things.

I actually quite liked [ID], but yeah their old stuff is really good. Why wouldn't you say they are progressive? I thought they were the epitome of progressive.

I don't know how I feel about Meshuggah. I mean, they are cool because they were doing djent tones and breakdowns 15 years ago but something about them...I dunno, I just can't get that into them. I think it's the vocals.

I agree fully. They are awesome but the vocals could just fit a little better.

The thing I love most about Meshuggah isn't even the djent stuff. I love the way they'll ride a groove to the point of sounding like an extremely uptempo drone metal style (if that even makes any sense).

Yeah, definitely.

For me Meshuggah's vocals are right in that zone of general monotony and strain that it's kind of cathartic.

That's quite an accurate description.




Idk why but that post was really weird.

 

[Roboturner]

I don't know how I feel about the new Veil of Maya song, but don't get discouraged. The drummer told me if you liked their old technical stuff you'll like this album. Mark also said every song is completely different.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I actually quite liked [ID], but yeah their old stuff is really good. Why wouldn't you say they are progressive? I thought they were the epitome of progressive.

I dunno, to me VOM is just really solid deathcore with a slight technical edge. To call them progressive is to put them in the same group as BTBAM or Ever Forthright, which doesn't sit right with me.

VOM is progressive as far as deathcore goes, I suppose.

 

[Geenareeno]

I see, that's fair enough. Also what do you guys think of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF1plJBeoyg Kinda growing on me. It's pretty hardcore (as in very genre representative) but the song its self is good. It's just that it wasn't projected through the right medium in the original. (i.e pop is ****ty)

 

[Luigitoilet]

I see, that's fair enough. Also what do you guys think of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF1plJBeoyg Kinda growing on me. It's pretty hardcore (as in very genre representative) but the song its self is good. It's just that it wasn't projected through the right medium in the original. (i.e pop is ****ty)

hahahahah

I think I like the original better.

speaking of embarassing metalcore covers of pop songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GncK6IuY8OA

ughg so terrible. I feel like a bad person for linking to that and giving that band views.

 

[The Ben]

pop is ****ty

A guy with a Chelsea Grin avatar calling any music ****ty is pretty damn hilarious.

 

[Roboturner]

Chelsea Grin just got Born of Osiris's guitarist, so now they are at least less ****ty.

 

[Xyzz]

hahahahah

I think I like the original better.

speaking of embarassing metalcore covers of pop songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GncK6IuY8OA

ughg so terrible. I feel like a bad person for linking to that and giving that band views.

Hah, i clicked it, and was saved by "this video is not avaible in your country" :D
@Meshuggah: They're using pretty strange time signatures and sometimes feel like switching them around during the song as well. Never really got into them, neither.
@Alcest: really surprised you didn't know them, their newest work pretty much abandons all black metal roots and is pretty straight up shoegaze. I won't complain



aaand last but not least:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYwzyZv2th0 Falkenbach with "...When Gjallarhorn Will Sound", one of my favourite folk metal pieces of all time.

edit: @the guy mentioning the new Akphaezya album: Thanks for mentioning... now I can't wait for it to arrive

 

[Wretched]

A guy with a Chelsea Grin avatar calling any music ****ty is pretty damn hilarious.

A guy who called an entire genre dumb should probably not call people's music dumb after getting a verbal warning from a mod.

Chelsea Grin just got Born of Osiris's guitarist, so now they are at least less ****ty.

You definitely shouldn't call any music ****ty in a thread full of people who are particular about their music.
Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean that that the music is ****ty.

God, we wonder why our general genre is so dead.
It is because all of the fans are opinionated ****s who call everything that they don't like ****ty.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Pop is amazing.

Chelsea Grin is....well, not so amazing. I'll leave it at that. Let's not turn this thread into a pissing match. That only serves to make you look like a pathetic nerd and annoy other people.

Man I ****in love East of the Wall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkFT0nt5o3c

Apologist is definitely one of the highlights of 2011 for me.

 

[Wretched]

So you're saying that if we were to argue about the validity of Chelsea Grin as a metal band I will look like an annoying nerd who will annoy other people?

I don't even understand how you can tell people not to call genres and songs that you like bad and threaten to infract them and then you say ****ty things like that.

If there was actually a mod who did stuff in this room I would report you.

 

[The Ben]

God, we wonder why our general genre is so dead.

We don't because it's not. With bands like Opeth, Dream Theater, and Machine Head consistently breaking into the top 25 billboard charts (at least here in the U.S.) I would call it far from dead. Especially considering they're not anywhere near close to the most successful metal bands. Metal album sales are really not that far behind pop. Mainstream pop acts create an illusion that it does, but it's mainly because there are a few pop acts selling millions as opposed to a lot of metal bands selling 10s of thousands.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

Machine Head in Tucson on Feb!
going with my boss lol

 

[Luigitoilet]

So you're saying that if we were to argue about the validity of Chelsea Grin as a metal band I will look like an annoying nerd who will annoy other people?

I don't even understand how you can tell people not to call genres and songs that you like bad and threaten to infract them and then you say ****ty things like that.

If there was actually a mod who did stuff in this room I would report you.

Lol.

Look how emotional you get when you think I'm talking about you.

Fortunately, I was talking to Roboturner and (again) The Ben. "Pissing match" generally implies elitism, which is what both of those posters were expressing with the same general sentiment of "the music you like actually sucks, here, listen to some good music, which is defined by music I like." If you actually read my earlier post in this thread (instead of just knee-jerk responding to my infraction thread) about what is acceptable "metal" as far as this topic is concerned, you would see that I said pretty much anything goes. I think Chelsea Grin is a bad band like Roboturner, but I was specifically criticizing his post for turning this into a pissing match. The same with The Ben. I don't mind a little bit of teasing between users for liking certain bands, but The Ben and Roboturner are a bit too hostile and obnoxious about it.

Also, it is extremely hilarious and just vaguely satisfying to know that I can rile someone up so much without even specifically acknowledging or talking to them so thanks for that.

anyways.

I finally picked up Cephalic Carnage's newest album Misled by Certainty

it slays but it's not quite as memorable as their older stuff though. I miss songs like Hybrid and Lucid Interval

i mean come on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2eg6gfEipw

song's ****in brutal and weird as ****. makes me imagine so many strange images in my head. their new **** is brutal and grindy but it lacks the imagination and scope of their older material.

 

[Geenareeno]

The Ben for new Strife Yeah I can definitely understand that you guys don't like Chelsea Grin, and I don't care, as I shouldn't. Wretched is definitely right about everyone who likes metal *****ing at each other because they like their metal better than another persons.

 

[Wretched]

Chelsea Grin has one of the best and most creative metal vocalists ever, which is why I like them.
Being realistic, yeah they sound like most other Deathcore instrumentally, but find me anyone with vocals anything like theirs.
Being a vocalist, I really just have to like the vocalist to like a band, hence why I like Cryptopsy's creative vocals and Cannibal Corpse's vocals which were groundbreaking at the time that they came out, and Chelsea Grin's vocals, because they're unlike anything else. Same with Dying Fetus, Malodorous/Disfiguring the Goddess (Big Chocolate), and Devourment.