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The Luigi Social Thread

Famous

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Yeah, a good ZSS is annoyingly hard to approach since her ForwardB and Downsmash are just stupidly safe. You really have to be ready to powershield those.

Luigi does have a good glidetoss length, but only on the backwards roll.
Luigi can glide toss forwards...It leads to alot of set-ups against certain characters..Glide toss-grab/pivot grab if they block, glide toss-upb (some characters need to be jabbed first) glide toss-****, etc...So many possibilities

Mario can only glide toss backwards though...Doesn't really matter since he doesn't go anywhere


I've pulled my Luigi out in touney against top-tiers mostly...You can upb D3 out of the chaingrab


[EDIT]My bad A2ZOMG is right, was thinking about something else =P
 

A2ZOMG

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Mario can only glide toss backwards though...Doesn't really matter since he doesn't go anywhere
Mario's glidetoss imo is more useful than Luigi's against Diddy actually since the shorter distance is more practical as far as close range pressure/spacing tactics go. At least Flameleon uses Mario's glidetoss with really good results against Diddy.

Luigi's glidetoss against Diddy is either defensive or for long range setups into F-smash.

In order for Luigi (or Mario) to glidetoss in the same direction he is tossing an item, you have to roll and throw the item backwards, and the backwards item toss for Mario and Luigi is fairly laggy, so in other matchups besides Diddy, it's not that practical.
 

WIGI

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i go luigi for 100% of my tournies



my "secondarys" are like.. always chaning...


its been g+w,yoshi,wario,PT,random,


but i never actually use them.. just when im bored..

i will say tho.. my G+W is actually really good.. my wario is decent too lol.
 

zhao_guang

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thnx bros.

i go luigi every match, but if i lose to a marth or MK, regardless of how close it is, i'll CP, because 10/10 my CP can mess them up.

mwahahaha!
 

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I think falco is probably luigi's most pragmatic pick for a secondary. He covers luigis bad matchups and stages quite well.

I finally settled on diddy and donkey kong as my second and thirds. I really only use donkey for marth, mk on brinstar and norfair, and anyone on japes or luigi's mansion. But at tournaments when I ban cruise, I become pretty much impossible to counterpick. It's almost like I play metaknight :)
 

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lol, cruise is one of my best stages.. people should counterpick me with like....... im not sure...


im good on most stages.. maybey fd if you like to spam?

and i forgot i used to second diddy until i realized im not technical enough.
 

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so am the only one who uses luigi 100% of the time in tournies?! i need a secondary

Im always weegee in serious matches, never gonna get better at your bad matchups if you use a secondary on em :p.

I might dabble with a few other characters sometimes though...i have no real secondary :/
 

JustNoOne

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I like copying people for the roflwaffles XD

Wouldn't the ICs be a good secondary for Luigi? ICs sorta cover MK they cover Marth.
 

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I think falco is probably luigi's most pragmatic pick for a secondary. He covers luigis bad matchups and stages quite well.
You will still get ***** by Marth at minimum, just keep in mind. Marth can essentially 0-death Falco from a grab.
 

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Foserious? How and since when?

Serious question.
grab > grab > dair (I forget if it's fthrow or dthrow xD).
Basically he has to be grabbed a little bit off the edge

Marth has to edgeguard after but Falco's recovery isn't too good so it's easy
 

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I think falco is probably luigi's most pragmatic pick for a secondary. He covers luigis bad matchups and stages quite well.

I finally settled on diddy and donkey kong as my second and thirds. I really only use donkey for marth, mk on brinstar and norfair, and anyone on japes or luigi's mansion. But at tournaments when I ban cruise, I become pretty much impossible to counterpick. It's almost like I play metaknight :)
l was thinking of wario imo or Snake. Anything with a GOOD jab game to me, is a auto win. Snake's jab is so legitly broken too, Falco's Jab is similar fashion and it's sooooo sexy esp with jab locks lol.

but using falco takes up ALOT of tech skill time in training mode since he needs to be mastered in the fullest to give you more options/mindgames. Fancy falcos imo are so win lawl.

Foserious? How and since when?

Serious question.
Fthrow Fthrow Dair

Fthrow fthrow dthrow dthrow dthrow fsmash tipper = 40% ish?

he has a bunch of grab tricks on falco lol. it's like 6/4 Marth so u gotta be careful.

well thats hardly enough to ruin a matchup
still 6/4 once marth is in his range, falco's done lol.
 

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epic convo between me and yoshq LOLOL

if yall have the balls to ****ing read ALL OF THIS, then yall will get a good laugh because for the ppl that do know why :laugh:

hippiedudeCM (9:35:42 AM): well if ur online ill play wifi now
YoshQ (9:47:09 AM): yo
YoshQ (9:47:12 AM): still here?
hippiedudeCM (9:47:17 AM): ya
YoshQ (9:47:22 AM): ok wanna play?
hippiedudeCM (9:47:47 AM): k
hippiedudeCM (9:47:50 AM): u host
hippiedudeCM (9:47:55 AM): 1246 9566 4759
YoshQ (9:48:09 AM): 2535 9035 4093
hippiedudeCM (9:48:10 AM): and uh expect alot of rust from me lol, wifi johns/lag johns/i forgot how to play johns
YoshQ (9:48:19 AM): lol ok
hippiedudeCM (9:50:45 AM): join
YoshQ (9:56:13 AM): lol all the luigis usin snake now
YoshQ (9:56:17 AM): even luigiking
YoshQ (10:00:45 AM): wait you gonna stay marth?
hippiedudeCM (10:00:50 AM): um i guess so?
YoshQ (10:00:53 AM): ok
hippiedudeCM (10:05:01 AM): lol you still roll too much
YoshQ (10:05:15 AM): if yo usay so
hippiedudeCM (10:05:18 AM): just sayin
YoshQ (10:05:24 AM): im not trying to work on it really
YoshQ (10:05:29 AM): that's what gives luigi the edge on marth
YoshQ (10:05:30 AM): for me
hippiedudeCM (10:05:41 AM): its the only edge lol
hippiedudeCM (10:05:47 AM): on offline it just alot easier but meh idrc
YoshQ (10:11:02 AM): well who you gonna be now
hippiedudeCM (10:11:09 AM): idk i picked random
hippiedudeCM (10:11:11 AM): why does it matter
hippiedudeCM (10:11:12 AM): lo
YoshQ (10:11:13 AM): ....
YoshQ (10:11:20 AM): cuz i asked you to brawl to face your marth
YoshQ (10:11:27 AM): then you switch right after
hippiedudeCM (10:11:35 AM): o lol fine k next match ill go marth
YoshQ (10:11:43 AM): ok
YoshQ (10:11:46 AM): im cf now
YoshQ (10:15:36 AM): ok luigi vs marth
hippiedudeCM (10:15:44 AM): why u wanna fight my marth so badly lol
YoshQ (10:15:55 AM): cuz u know the matchp
hippiedudeCM (10:16:11 AM): lol of course i do but whats the point if i cant punish rolling to its fullest?
hippiedudeCM (10:19:59 AM): instead of rolling make use of ur psing skills
hippiedudeCM (10:20:01 AM): and just ps everything i do
hippiedudeCM (10:20:02 AM): lol
hippiedudeCM (10:20:06 AM): thats how i win the matchup
YoshQ (10:20:11 AM): lol
hippiedudeCM (10:20:13 AM): its easy matchup if u know how to ps and predict
hippiedudeCM (10:20:17 AM): simple and clean lol
YoshQ (10:20:22 AM): which side are you talking about
hippiedudeCM (10:20:24 AM): both
hippiedudeCM (10:20:27 AM): but if ur luigi
hippiedudeCM (10:20:28 AM): just ps
YoshQ (10:20:32 AM): lol
YoshQ (10:20:34 AM): idc about ps
YoshQ (10:20:39 AM): i beat marths
YoshQ (10:20:41 AM): usually
YoshQ (10:20:48 AM): i dont see a problem with the matchup yet
hippiedudeCM (10:20:56 AM): what do you mean?
YoshQ (10:21:06 AM): its not a hard matchup for me yet
YoshQ (10:21:14 AM): so i dont feel like going into technical detail on how to win
YoshQ (10:21:18 AM): makes it so much simpler
YoshQ (10:21:21 AM): and more fun to play
YoshQ (10:21:23 AM):
hippiedudeCM (10:26:02 AM): yeah its not hard obv because ur not fighting good ones which are rare
hippiedudeCM (10:26:04 AM): esp on wifi
YoshQ (10:26:10 AM): dude
hippiedudeCM (10:26:11 AM): but when its offline ur rolling stuff wont work
YoshQ (10:26:12 AM): ok
hippiedudeCM (10:26:15 AM): so you'd need psing anyways
YoshQ (10:26:16 AM): ...
hippiedudeCM (10:26:18 AM): but since ur a wifi player
hippiedudeCM (10:26:21 AM): it dont rly matter
hippiedudeCM (10:26:21 AM): lol
YoshQ (10:26:23 AM): at 3 tourneys maybe 4
YoshQ (10:26:27 AM): i've beat a marth in brackets
YoshQ (10:26:32 AM): once was pools
YoshQ (10:26:39 AM): i beat one at genesis
YoshQ (10:26:42 AM): and you know that xisin?
YoshQ (10:26:45 AM): who went to um
YoshQ (10:26:53 AM): w/e tourney was posted in the luigi tourney results
YoshQ (10:27:00 AM): ive beat him 4 sets on wifi
YoshQ (10:27:04 AM): and he actually plays wifi
hippiedudeCM (10:27:14 AM): um k?
YoshQ (10:27:23 AM): w/e
YoshQ (10:27:28 AM): it's too har dto convince people your good
YoshQ (10:27:28 AM): lol
hippiedudeCM (10:27:47 AM): i mean if it works for you do ya thang.. but just sayin, if u encounter a good marth offline then you know the rest
hippiedudeCM (10:27:49 AM): just sayin lol
YoshQ (10:28:00 AM): k w/e
hippiedudeCM (10:31:39 AM): so if u know the matchup so much
hippiedudeCM (10:31:42 AM): why u wanna fight me
hippiedudeCM (10:31:42 AM): lol
YoshQ (10:31:55 AM): because all you luigis are saying
YoshQ (10:32:04 AM): "oh you must not be fighting marths who know the matchup"
YoshQ (10:32:09 AM): or "good marths"
YoshQ (10:32:21 AM): so you knw the matchup an u good
hippiedudeCM (10:32:32 AM): so you gotta prove that on wifi? lmao
YoshQ (10:32:39 AM): prove what
hippiedudeCM (10:32:43 AM): the matchups we talk about are always based on offline
hippiedudeCM (10:32:51 AM):
YoshQ (10:31:55 AM): because all you luigis are saying

YoshQ (10:32:04 AM): "oh you must not be fighting marths who know the matchup"

YoshQ (10:32:09 AM): or "good marths"
YoshQ (10:32:59 AM): im tryin to play one who knows the matchup
YoshQ (10:33:03 AM): and ive learned stuff already
YoshQ (10:33:05 AM): and besides
YoshQ (10:33:07 AM): when you talk about offline
YoshQ (10:33:15 AM): genesis was perhaps the biggest offline tourney ever
YoshQ (10:33:19 AM): and i beat a marth in brackets there
YoshQ (10:33:23 AM): so idk what else to do
YoshQ (10:35:01 AM): ima use snake
hippiedudeCM (10:35:12 AM): eh
hippiedudeCM (10:35:16 AM): so lazy to knock sense into you but w/e
YoshQ (10:35:27 AM): ok
YoshQ (10:35:37 AM): play me some time when u got energy
YoshQ (10:35:43 AM): right now we dont talk about matchups
hippiedudeCM (10:35:51 AM): never lol
hippiedudeCM (10:35:58 AM): i has no energy anwyays
YoshQ (10:41:01 AM): then how you gonna play at your best
hippiedudeCM (10:41:11 AM): why am i gonna play at my best? lol
hippiedudeCM (10:41:14 AM): all i do is freestyle on wifi
YoshQ (10:41:24 AM): i mean offline too
YoshQ (10:41:26 AM): if u have no energy
hippiedudeCM (10:41:39 AM): lolwut
YoshQ (10:41:50 AM): [09:35] hippiedudeCM: i has no energy anwyays
YoshQ (10:42:06 AM): nvm then ;\
hippiedudeCM (10:42:11 AM): lol?
YoshQ (10:50:27 AM): im sayin if you don't have energy then how ar eyou going to brawl at your best, offline or online
hippiedudeCM (10:50:47 AM): idk lol? like i said
hippiedudeCM (10:50:49 AM): just freestyling
hippiedudeCM (10:50:52 AM): like right now lopl
YoshQ (10:50:59 AM): okey
hippiedudeCM (10:51:06 AM): and i never do my best on online wtf are u smoking ? lmfao
YoshQ (10:51:17 AM): forget im even talking about online
YoshQ (10:51:19 AM): im saying offline
YoshQ (10:51:20 AM): >_>
YoshQ (10:51:26 AM): o**** wario
YoshQ (11:01:21 AM): gg nice wario
hippiedudeCM (11:01:27 AM): gotta go
hippiedudeCM (11:01:28 AM): ggs
YoshQ (11:01:35 AM): kcya
YoshQ (11:01:38 AM): ggs
hippiedudeCM (11:01:38 AM): your good player just try not to roll too much
hippiedudeCM (11:01:40 AM): esp with snake
YoshQ (11:01:48 AM): ok

zhaoguang321 (10:17:21 PM): yo is xisin a good marth?

mcabreact (10:18:23 PM): not really

mcabreact (10:18:25 PM): average at best
 

zhao_guang

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oh I see how it is >_>
YoshQ, there's only one part wrong with how that convo went: The fact that you asked him for advice, then rejected it.

Asking for advice is great. I do it all the time, because you can't walk the long road alone. Advice from other people opens up different views and expands your vision of the game, which can lead to a smarter and more adaptive playstyle, which means you get better insanely fast.

He gave you completely legit advice: Don't roll into Marths. If Marth isn't punishing an aggressive roll with a d-tilt or grab, then the Marth sucks. Plain and simple. We aren't constantly telling you this to **** on your playstyle or make you feel bad, we're telling you this because when you play a legit Marth and get punished and ***** every time you press R+left or right, we want you to have another strategy to be able to still give a fight.

You're known for your unique playstyle, and it's fine. But there are some things that just won't work, regardless of how you play it. Rolling a Marth is one of those things. Uchiha is a super chill guy, he's awesome, but his Marth? Not so much. I don't know much of Xisin, but if he's average at best, he'll still **** the pants off you offline if you roll into him.

I may be blunt when I say stuff like this, but quite frankly, if you don't listen to what I'm saying here, or what every other Luigi who has felt Marth's **** has said, you'll probably regret it when you get two/three stocked out of a tournament by a legit Marth.
 

yoshq

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YoshQ, there's only one part wrong with how that convo went: The fact that you asked him for advice, then rejected it.
I didn't ask for his advice.

I may be blunt when I say stuff like this, but quite frankly, if you don't listen to what I'm saying here, or what every other Luigi who has felt Marth's **** has said, you'll probably regret it when you get two/three stocked out of a tournament by a legit Marth.
I wish that would happen, so that I could see what the big deal about marth is...
 
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