The Imperial Legion, MD/VA crew. Xanadu Tuesdays, Legionary Wednesdays

[Bandit]

Oh, the new ones are Nintendo DSi. They are $170-#180 new. Used DS or refurbished ones are like $80 unless you do the Amazon lowest price used dealer or something.

Nintendo DSi ($180) http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-DSi-..._5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1282758998&sr=1-5

Nintendo DS Lite ($130) http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-DS-L...2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1282758998&sr=1-12

 

[metalmonstar]

He could be trying to buy new from amazon.
Or a DSi
Phat is cheap used expensive new though
Gamestop prices

Not 170

No Johns
No Johns 2

 

[Bandit]

I wasn't trying to buy one as I honestly have no desire for one, but I was curious what they were going for. If I was going to buy one, GameStop refurbished ones are $80 which, I guess, isn't bad, but it gives you a warranty (I'm pretty sure).

I just don't see how the new ones can start pushing up into Wii price range and actually sell.

 

[JCaesar]

The DS is the 2nd best selling video game console in the world. PS2 is 1st, but it is no longer sold, while the DS is still selling like hotcakes 6 years after it's launch, which is just ridiculous.

I think it's safe to say it's not the dual screen gimmick. If something does that well for that long, it's due to the quality of the games.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

The DS is the 2nd best selling video game console in the world. PS2 is 1st, but it is no longer sold, while the DS is still selling like hotcakes 6 years after it's launch, which is just ridiculous.

I think it's safe to say it's not the dual screen gimmick. If something does that well for that long, it's due to the quality of the games.

The durability of a DS is extremely short lived. If anything they are making money off of ppl that are rebuying.

 

[metalmonstar]

In my opinion the DS is one of the best systems of all time up there with the PS2 and SNES. It certainly has a ton of good games.

 

[Bandit]

NES, Playstation (not PS1 or PS2... the original Playstation), and XBox still are what I consider on the list for the best all-time. I would definitely put Game Boy as #1 on my list despite never owning one because it truly lasted a ton longer than anyone ever could have expected with undeniably good games.

I would never put SNES or PS2 as best systems of all-time. PS2 may have sold really well but I never bought into it. I was a Sony fan boy but I didn't like it which is why I held onto my Playstation.

1. Game Boy - No system probably has crossed more generations.
2. NES - Too many amazing games not to be here.
3. Playstation - Single handedly shook up the video game world
4. Xbox - First Party development is fantastic and led to an equally good system with the 360.

The original systems are still the strongest. I still have a hard time figuring out which was better between the Sega Genesis and the SNES. I was a Sega guy, but my brother and cousin had SNES so I played both a great amount and both had good libraries. I think they might have been two of the more equal platforms to run against each other.

I still think Nintendo bombed with the N64 & Gamecube by refusing to move to full size CD's and staying on par with the rest of the industry. The Wii has its perks but it is a pretty fail system from a hardcore gamer standpoint.

And it's a shame the PS3 priced itself out of competition despite being an impressively powerful. I'm still not a fan of enough of their first party games to warrant looking into ever getting one.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

I Disagree metal, the Ds' library games that can keep attention are limited.

And it's a shame the PS3 priced itself out of competition despite being an impressively powerful. I'm still not a fan of enough of their first party games to warrant looking into ever getting one.

You'd be better off, 360 has nothing good or memorable in terms of games. and it hasn't priced itself out of the running, it's 250.

 

[JCaesar]

NES, Playstation (not PS1 or PS2... the original Playstation), and XBox still are what I consider on the list for the best all-time. I would definitely put Game Boy as #1 on my list despite never owning one because it truly lasted a ton longer than anyone ever could have expected with undeniably good games.

I would never put SNES or PS2 as best systems of all-time. PS2 may have sold really well but I never bought into it. I was a Sony fan boy but I didn't like it which is why I held onto my Playstation.

1. Game Boy - No system probably has crossed more generations.
2. NES - Too many amazing games not to be here.
3. Playstation - Single handedly shook up the video game world
4. Xbox - First Party development is fantastic and led to an equally good system with the 360.

The original systems are still the strongest. I still have a hard time figuring out which was better between the Sega Genesis and the SNES. I was a Sega guy, but my brother and cousin had SNES so I played both a great amount and both had good libraries. I think they might have been two of the more equal platforms to run against each other.

I still think Nintendo bombed with the N64 & Gamecube by refusing to move to full size CD's and staying on par with the rest of the industry. The Wii has its perks but it is a pretty fail system from a hardcore gamer standpoint.

And it's a shame the PS3 priced itself out of competition despite being an impressively powerful. I'm still not a fan of enough of their first party games to warrant looking into ever getting one.

Ahaha you almost had me there. I thought you were serious at first, but things like "Playstation (not PS1)" and "I would never put SNES or PS2 as best systems of all-time." and "Xbox - First Party development is fantastic" gave it away. Nice trolling though.

 

[TheTantalus]

Ds is an amazing console, case closed.

Ps2, snes, ds, gba (by virtue of it also being able to play gbc and gb) are pretty much top 4 for sure

I really dont think there is a console that is out there made by sony/microsoft/nintendo/sega/nec that was horribad, even the worst ones still had some really cool games.

 

[Thunderhorse+]

So I just got done reading this

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/937281-dragon-quest-ix-sentinels-of-the-starry-skies/56124545

...which has a good point about NOT revocating as soon as you can. If I do, then my highest level character would be a level 50 Thief, and the quality of my grottoes would plummet. So I'm going to wait till I get a level 99 Thief to revocate my Ranger. That way even when I have my level 1 revocated Ranger, I still get a 99 for my level in the grotto quality sum because I would still have my level 99 Thief.

So I hope nobody's revocated yet. Cause I know no one has a second level 99. Well I guess it's no skin off my back, you'll just be getting lousy grottoes.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

Ds is an POPULAR console, case closed.

Ps2, snes, ds, gba (by virtue of it also being able to play gbc and gb) are pretty much top 4 for sure

I really dont think there is a console that is out there made by sony/microsoft/nintendo/sega/nec that was horribad, even the worst ones still had some really cool games.

I disagree with "amazing" because the DS isn't short of anything but average, it doesn't really do anything spectacular, nor are it's games in that same aspect.

 

[JCaesar]

^ I would have agreed that the DS's game library was nothing special, but then DQ9 came out...

So I just got done reading this

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/937281-dragon-quest-ix-sentinels-of-the-starry-skies/56124545

...which has a good point about NOT revocating as soon as you can. If I do, then my highest level character would be a level 50 Thief, and the quality of my grottoes would plummet. So I'm going to wait till I get a level 99 Thief to revocate my Ranger. That way even when I have my level 1 revocated Ranger, I still get a 99 for my level in the grotto quality sum because I would still have my level 99 Thief.

So I hope nobody's revocated yet. Cause I know no one has a second level 99. Well I guess it's no skin off my back, you'll just be getting lousy grottoes.

Waffle and I both revocated already. Meh. I'm leveling up decently fast, and I already have good enough grottos for now, Malcom's for high rank chests, yours for first floor LMSes, mine for MKSes, and a good portion of the bosses, though that could be better. Besides, if you find any amazing ones, you can just share them

I'm mostly working on leveling back up and filling out skill points for my poor neglected secondary characters now because I want them all to have shields at least, plus digging into alchemy for useful non-ultimate equipment. I'll be occupied for awhile.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

^ I would have agreed that the DS's game library was nothing special, but then DQ9 came out...

 

[VanillaWaffle]

amazing ds titles - LOZ - The phantom hourglass
Assorted pokemon games
Phoenix Wright Games
DQ4, DQ5, DQ9
Kirby superstar ultra
Mario and luigi : bowsers inside story
advance wars: dual strike
Elite beat agents

and this is just off the top of my head, there are plenty more, like warioware, theres another one off the top of my head. a system as unique as the ds, sells well, is well accepted everywhere, has good titles. dunno how else you can define amazing system.

also the ps2 is absolute gold when it comes to cult classic rpgs.

and the ps3 will forever drown in obscurity, sold for too high, offered no games up until uncharted 2, and has nothing good coming to the table anytime soon.

 

[VanillaWaffle]

wait wait wait, combo knight wtf? did you say the ds is shortlived and undurable? you must be crazy. ive had mine since it came out without even the slightly bit of problems with it. ive dropped it, smashed it into things, and it still works like new. the only way a ds would be undurable is if you physically attempt to break it.

 

[MalcolmM]

To have the best chance @ getting the best grottos u have to revocate 10 times. Its never too soon.

 

[VanillaWaffle]

@ malcolm - i had no idea you were located inside of a bleach character, hows the rent there?

 

[Gangsta_inc]

untrue, my R-button no longer works. My top screen to my DS is no longer is operational. so I can't actively engage in anything really. the top screen is also in danger of being removed.

The phantom hourglass
Assorted pokemon games
Phoenix Wright Games
DQ4, DQ5, DQ9
Kirby superstar ultra
Mario and luigi : bowsers inside story
advance wars: dual strike
Elite beat agents

I see these but will only give you these:
the phantom hourglass
Pokemon 5th gen
Pheonix wright
Kirby superstar ultra(accidentally rubbed this out, I love the kirbys that stay true to him)
Mario and luigi : bowsers inside story
advance wars: dual strike

 

[VanillaWaffle]

fine ill edit than, for future refference, try not to send your ds through the washing machine.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

fine ill edit than, for future refference, try not to send your ds through the washing machine.

i didn't it just goes through everyday life with me and ended up broke as hell. hopefully 3DS won't crapout on me.

 

[JCaesar]

I've had my DS Lite since they came out and it still works perfectly aside from crappy battery life (my fault) and a single dead pixel (hardly noticeable unless you're looking for it).

Have you played any DQ games? You can't possibly take them off that list.

Also, add MKDS to the list. And Mario 64 DS. And the MMZX games. And the FF remakes. And isn't there a new Golden Sun game coming out? Not to mention it can play GBA games, and there are a lot of gems in that library.

 

[Bandit]

If you're going to argue library of games, just remember that one game does not define a system. So, if you think the DS has an average library, a new game would not bump it to amazing. It is still an average library that just got a bit better.

Also remakes and being able to play older systems' libraries don't count as they aren't games made for the DS. They were games made for whatever system they originated that you so happen to be able to play on the DS.

Besides, backwards compatibility & remakes aren't exactly new.

 

[JCaesar]

Never said they were new, but they definitely count towards the system's library. I can play those games on that system, therefore they are part of the library. If those games are amazing (and they are), then that is a good library, and the quality of the game library is a huge part of whether I decide to purchase a system or not.

The PS3 has a **** library since they removed backwards compatibility. I would have bought one hands down if you could play PS2 games on it, because PS2's library was one of the best and that would've been added to PS3's library. But they took it out and now I have no desire to buy a PS3.

 

[Bandit]

If the games aren't there, then I won't be buying. Plus, someone wouldn't buy a system just because of backwards compatibility if the current system's library doesn't live up to the price of the system. If you liked the older system so much, it would be much easier to purchase that system. Apparently, the Playstation 2 was never officially discontinued, so you should be able to get a PS2 if you so desire.

Even though the PS2 had the games it did, I still rank the original Playstation over it because that's the system that got the exclusives lined up and created the rep Sony needed to get the PS2 over.

Exclusive games to a system should define its library since the 3rd party non-exclusives count for everyone. I'm having a little trouble coming up with a list of exclusive games for the system (because I'm at work and I can't stray too far without fear of virus sites). I'd like to see those lists.

 

[Thunderhorse+]

To have the best chance @ getting the best grottos u have to revocate 10 times. Its never too soon.

grotto quality sum = the highest current vocation level your hero has + (5 x N where N = the highest number of revocations for a single class your hero has) + The level of the last grotto you completed.

Right now my grotto quality is:

99 (level 99) + 0 (5 x no revocations on any class) + 89 (the level of the last grotto I did, Ruby somethingoranother lv 89) = 188 GQS

If I revocated now:

50 (level 50 on my Thief) + 5 (5 x 1 Ranger revocation) + 89 = 144 GQS

Putting me two brackets down.

There is a point where you revocate so many times that it won't matter what level you're currently at, you'll end up in a higher bracket than before (that point being after 10 revocations, where in the same equation with my level 50, I'll have a GQS of 189, one point above my current GQS without revocation). But that's not now.

Spoiler

Cathy would be proud.

 

[JCaesar]

Exclusive games for which system, DS? The large majority are exclusive. Excluding the PS2, Nintendo systems almost always have the most exclusive high-quality games of any gen, mostly because their first-party support blows everyone else away.

I originally got my DS for the games created for it, specifically Mario Kart and Metroid Prime: Hunters. If I hadn't, I would definitely get it for DQ9, which is also exclusive obviously. It's just a *very* sweet bonus that most of the best games on the SNES (easily the best game library for any system) have been ported, and usually heavily updated, for the DS.

 

[Bandit]

Any system. I'd like to see it just out of curiosity.

Besides, my opinions of good games don't match-up with yours all the time which is why they are opinions.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

double post check below

 

[Gangsta_inc]

Never said they were new, but they definitely count towards the system's library. I can play those games on that system, therefore they are part of the library. If those games are amazing (and they are), then that is a good library, and the quality of the game library is a huge part of whether I decide to purchase a system or not.

The PS3 has a **** library since they removed backwards compatibility. I would have bought one hands down if you could play PS2 games on it, because PS2's library was one of the best and that would've been added to PS3's library. But they took it out and now I have no desire to buy a PS3.

False JC there is a 60 gig that has backwards compatability.

 

[JCaesar]

As I understand it, they sold PS3s with backwards compatibility when they first launched, but apparently it was too expensive and didn't work that well, so they took it out fairly quickly.

Unless they recently made a new version of the PS3 specifically for backwards compatibility that I just haven't heard about.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

As I understand it, they sold PS3s with backwards compatibility when they first launched, but apparently it was too expensive and didn't work that well, so they took it out fairly quickly.

Unless they recently made a new version of the PS3 specifically for backwards compatibility that I just haven't heard about.

Though they are discontinued the ones that exist aren't hard to find. they are actually abundant in MD

 

[VanillaWaffle]

the ps3 has had backwards compatability, than lost it for multiple models over multiple time periods, who knows what it has now because the **** company cant keep it straight.

and yes backwards compatability is a great thing. if you bought a ps2 and still had a ton of ps1 games, this means you can put that ps1 in storage and save space. also if you didnt have a ps1 and you wanted to play some key ps1 titles such as chrono cross or whatnot, you could. the same goes for the ds, and sorta the 360 which is semi backwards compatable. and who knows what the ps3 will work with these days.

 

[JCaesar]

Well tbh, assuming I could find a PS3 with backwards compatibility, I would have gotten one near the PS3's launch, but now that I've seen what the PS3 has to offer ... I'd rather just get a PS2. I don't think there's a single exclusive PS3 game I'd actually be interested in. XBox 360 only has like 2 or 3. The Wii at least has half a dozen of its consistently great first-party games and a few more coming, but this gen has just been a gigantic let down in general. Graphics seem to be inversely proportional to the quality of gameplay.

I have my smash and my DQ and some other older RPGs I've been meaning to play, and that's all I need for now. PS2s still haven't come down far enough in price to my liking, and I wouldn't trust a used one for a system that old.

 

[TheTantalus]

Ps2 is still on the market in some places, its not discontinued. Most stores dont put it on the shelves because its old.

 

[TheTantalus]

They are also only 99 bucks

 

[g-regulate]

I have a PS3 with backwards compatibility JCaes. I'll sell it to you if you are interested.

 

[JCaesar]

Does it work with every game? Because most of the PS2 games I wanna play are on the obscure side.

Oh and how much?

 

[CountKaiser]

What's the plan for this weekend? Actually dedicate some time to a stream for once? Or will DQ9 steal the limelight once again?

 

[Gangsta_inc]

Does it work with every game? Because most of the PS2 games I wanna play are on the obscure side.

Oh and how much?

yes JC all ps2 games