The Heavenly Scriptures:A Pit Q&A thread!

[Nikenick]

It's Dair for horizontal or diagonal DI, and it doesn't matters what aerial you use for vertical DI since you will fastfall it anyways.

Learn to read
In theory, you stop your vertical movement by Fastfalling an aerial, Fastfalling isn't move dependent so it doesn't matters what move you use. But, you have to know that dair on the cstick will automaticly make you fastfall. You can get the same result by fastfalling a Fair, Dair, Uair and even an Nair, but you have to time it perfectly, which is almost impossible to do.

Oh and I don't know who keeps changing the frame data, but first dair was the fastest and now the ultimate pit guide says that bair is? This is confusing me.

 

[Phaigne]

Look at my frame data, it's right. The Pit guide has always been wrong.

 

[Esca]

Dair lasts a long time.

Longer than bair. Always use dair or fair.

 

[Phaigne]

No it doesn't Esca. Trust me.

 

[Nikenick]

Esca learn to read. And thanks for backing that up.

 

[LaIotun]

Woah, hold on guys, those numbers are way wrong. I'll be back with the real ones soon.

Edit:

N-Air:
First Hit-4
Duration-51

F-Air:
First Hit-12
Duration-37

B-Air:
First Hit-9
Duration-38

U-Air:
First Hit-9
Duration-44

D-Air:
First Hit-10
Duration-36


There you go. I didn't feel like doing any other numbers, but that should work for your purposes.

Really F-Air, B-Air, and D-Air all work about as well.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=243314 says U-Air 45, B-Air 39, F-Air 38

 

[321BOOM]

My question, why isn't the in-depth frame data stickied?

 

[Phaigne]

I know what Susa's thread says. He has a very good first impression, but I tried everyone of the moves out frame by frame and I'm pretty sure mine are right.

 

[earla]

okay, came up with this combo. (probably discovered) but i figured i'd atleast mention this to create some discussion.

i tried on ike, and mk.

short hop dair(OoS whatever), jump(very brief jump) footstall, then WOI fast fall dair, then forward smash.
(all fast timing)

around 40% easy combo

could follow up with forward smash, f-tilt whatever. could also be useful at higher percents to follow up with aerial.

also another thing, i tried short hop dair,jump, footstall, WOI fast fall fair/bair. which sets up for jab lock which pit doesn't have. however, could tech chase from there.

just an idea, perhaps its worth further testing.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

I have a feeling it could be interrupted easily... also, is this 0% only?

 

[LaIotun]

I know what Susa's thread says. He has a very good first impression, but I tried everyone of the moves out frame by frame and I'm pretty sure mine are right.

How do you test them?

 

[earla]

low percents.

im not a pit player so i'l leave it to you's to play around with.

basically its just a short hop dair, 1 jump then immediately footstall to WOI fast fall dair.

then finish combo with whatever.

al happens prety quick, just an idea. good luck

 

[Afropony]

I might try it out today or the next few days if I have a bit of spare time.

 

[Phaigne]

How do you test them?

Debug code with a Homebrew Channel

 

[LaIotun]

Debug code with a Homebrew Channel

Involves hacking the Wii? =/

 

[321BOOM]

Involves hacking the Wii? =/

It's more of a softmod, nothing that harms the Wii.

 

[LaIotun]

It's more of a softmod, nothing that harms the Wii.

Still sounds kind of bleh.

 

[Don Guero]

what is foot stalling? and how to do

 

[Afropony]

I think he's talking about footstooling, people get it confused.

 

[earla]

yeah footstool, sorry mate haha.

 

[Cherry64]

Just tap jump when your basically standing on top of your opponent, can be done while they are on solid ground, or in mid-air.

 

[Don Guero]

what is the best, most helpful pit video on the internet?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

what is the best, most helpful pit video on the internet?

Anything Masashi.

 

[Katana_koden]

Earla, I do that set up combo some times. I actually do the 2nd one you mentioned. After the fair or weak bair, they bounce, I usually do a fhdair jump dair combo set up.

 

[★Malik★™]

i use dair a lot..is that good?

 

[Don Guero]

some times i poke through mk´s tornado with Dair or Bair.

i thought that if it was ever stopped, both moves would just cancel out.

does the tornado really have any weak spots?
if so what are they?

 

[Don Guero]

how is pit supposed to fight pt

 

[nvus]

is pit aggressive and offensive?

 

[Afropony]

i use dair a lot..is that good?

It depends when.

some times i poke through mk´s tornado with Dair or Bair.

i thought that if it was ever stopped, both moves would just cancel out.

does the tornado really have any weak spots?
if so what are they?

It's weak at the top of it where there is an opening

is pit aggressive and offensive?

Pit played best is defensive but he can be agressive when gimping.

 

[Phaigne]

Pit played best is defensive but he can be agressive when gimping.

I completely disagree with this. Pit is equally able at both defensive and offensive playstyles.

 

[nvus]

but can he be aggressive? im new to the game and i THINK metaknight has the most aggressive playstyle in the game?

 

[Esca]

Pit is ONLY a defensive character.

ONLY.

Sit back, and wait.

 

[nvus]

who's known as the "best" pit player? so i can watch some vids

 

[aish]

Sit back and pretend you're doing something 8D is what esca said before i think haha. you can watch vids of rogue or sagemoon 8D though sagemoon's stuff is kinda old it's still fine to watch imo~ I found lmnz to be good to watch if you're starting from the beginning and just want to see the early basics, or you can watch a ton and squish them all together into one idea?!@# 8D

 

[321BOOM]

What are Pit's best options from above?

 

[Katana_koden]

I disagree of pit being defensive only.

Personally I think dair is pit's best aerial to hit with.

for pt, my strategies.

squirtle- he's so short and quick, d- tilts work great. Use his a,a,a infinate to stop most of his moves. Even use it to bait an uair if he jump over you. Dair, and F-smash to kill.

ivysaur- Don't let him camp you, arrow him. If you are to approach, DI forward to avoid bullet seed. D-smash for gimp, Slight charged f-smash for kill, dash attack after his arial attack.

charizard- Avoid being in front most of the time. Fair's, Nair's are great. Arrows too. Utilt can help as well as dair defensively. For kill, best bet is an un used bair, or off stage arial chase.

A retreating dair for best used above.

 

[Esca]

Pit's best option from Above. Hmm. Space a dair right. Other than that, IF your spaced correctly, you can side-b. But this is only if your out of jumps/no other options.

And let me rephrase.

You can only win with Pit if your defensive.

 

[321BOOM]

Thanks

I kinda agree with being defensive. Pit should never be approaching, and he shouldn't ever be fighting in close combat for a long period of time.
Most of the time he should keep out, but if there's an opening, jump in and do what chu need to do. Then get out.

 

[Katana_koden]

If you say it like that, I agree somewhat alot more. But that's almost anybody until they catch on.

 

[Don Guero]

I completely disagree with this. Pit is equally able at both defensive and offensive playstyles.

yea he can be offensive but his range makes aprroaches tricky.

i try to do a back and forth type thing and punish attacks