Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
thx katana koden
another question:
how does pit fight lucario?
another question:
how does pit fight lucario?
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The Heavenly Scriptures:A Pit Q&A thread!
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Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
alot of people give me crap for watching combo vids
but they have helped me improve much more than regular match vids
this one is my personal favorite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJRRDCC9huI
i watch it to get hyped for a match and make sure i play at 100%
hope it helps
Phaigne
Smash Journeyman
I actually disagree with this as well, Pit has several viable approach methods.
And for Esca, why exactly can't Pit be offensive? I see no reason both play-styles can't be viable.
Katana_koden
Smash Ace
That video pit is picking on low response players... but it's for the music.
I haven't fought a good lucario to answer that yet.
I haven't fought a good lucario to answer that yet.
Esca
Smash Champion
Pit can't be offensive because he has such straight forward moves. His aerials are nothing too special/don't have weird hitboxes/etc... They're short. Hard to approach with him. He has no way to do tricky approaches besides up-b stuff, but it's figured out already.
However, fighting from a distance, Pit can bait with arrows, etc... and punish with those aerials.
He's meant to be defensive.
However, fighting from a distance, Pit can bait with arrows, etc... and punish with those aerials.
He's meant to be defensive.
aish
Smash Journeyman
I find it's easier to get lucario once he's in the air and wait for that dair...well the one i've found ussually dairs DX and then you attack or grab him...not much on lucario since that player still has bad habits he's working on =[
I personally like fear's pit combo video the most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEv-KoHMEwc 8D
I personally like fear's pit combo video the most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEv-KoHMEwc 8D
Afropony
Smash Lord
Against Lucario I just try and get them off stage for the gimp. If I'm on stage I make sure I use lots of shield and then punish what they do.
Also Don could you try and cut down on the multiple posts in a row? It's OK if you accidently double post but you seem to double post and even triple post when you could just edit your first post.
Also Don could you try and cut down on the multiple posts in a row? It's OK if you accidently double post but you seem to double post and even triple post when you could just edit your first post.
Esca
Smash Champion
I play against Trela ALOT, and I used to play Lee's Lucario all the time.
The best thing to do against him is to just play the match. Like, spaced Fair and he can't get in. It's the one matchup where I feel like Marth, or someone else who outspaces everything.
Other than that, don't get under him, and save smashes, so you can kill him quicker. You don't want him to be strong. It's a VERY bad decision.
The best thing to do against him is to just play the match. Like, spaced Fair and he can't get in. It's the one matchup where I feel like Marth, or someone else who outspaces everything.
Other than that, don't get under him, and save smashes, so you can kill him quicker. You don't want him to be strong. It's a VERY bad decision.
Phaigne
Smash Journeyman
Esca, about Pit's aerials, how do they not have weird hitboxes? He is literally able to defend from all sides in the air, and seeing as how he can short-hop everyone of them, I would say he has a decent approach game, his only real problem is F-air being mildly slow and hard to hit short characters with, but that's where D-air comes in. I'm not saying being defensive isn't a good idea, I'm just saying Pit is blessed with versatility and there are some times when being aggressive is very advantageous, like when an opponent is of the stage or can out-camp you.
Esca
Smash Champion
They don't have weird hitboxes because they hit only in the places his weapon moves.
Pit doesn't get outcamped.
Phaigne
Smash Journeyman
There are only a few occasions:Pit doesn't get outcamped.
Falco
Olimar
Snake
and sometimes Zelda, it kind of is a trade-off
And Esca, while that is true, he does hit in odd formations, like wit his U-Air and N-Air
Uh..no.
Falco - Camp him from the ledge.
Olimar - Fair knocks off all Pikmin. Between your arrows and you fairing off all of his Pikmin, he doesn't
Snake - No, not at all for various reasons
Zelda - She is TERRIBLE at camping any character.
Esca
Smash Champion
LOL seriously. Pit can camp harder than any character.
And holy ****, UP AIR AND NAIR ONLY HIT WHERE HIS WEAPON IS.
And holy ****, UP AIR AND NAIR ONLY HIT WHERE HIS WEAPON IS.
Phaigne
Smash Journeyman
@ Ravyn: For me to respond, you are going to have to define camping exactly. I mean, yes we can sit behind our MS all day, but so what? Oh, but I do retract my statement about Snake, I was rather rushed this morning when I wrote that post.
@Esca: I'm assuming by weird you mean invisible. So what? Once you know the hitbox of an attack it is all the same. Weird=/= Good. Look at Marth he only hits where his weapon is (as far as I can tell) does that make his aerials bad?
@Esca: I'm assuming by weird you mean invisible. So what? Once you know the hitbox of an attack it is all the same. Weird=/= Good. Look at Marth he only hits where his weapon is (as far as I can tell) does that make his aerials bad?
How about Toon Link?
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Esca
Smash Champion
It's hard to beat Toon Link.
And Marth's aerials aren't bad, but Pit's arent nearly as long as his. And you can't mix it up very well with Pit.
And Marth's aerials aren't bad, but Pit's arent nearly as long as his. And you can't mix it up very well with Pit.
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Only because of his size and speed.
His bombs are quite annoying, but Pit still outcamps him.
Camping is camping
It doesn't matter how you do it whether it be camping in the air or from the ledge or simply standing on stage shooting stuff. Vs Falco, Oli, Zelda and Snake you won't be using MS much anyway.
Yea he outcamps us.
my bad I forgot he exists
Esca
Smash Champion
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
thx and sorry for my multiple posts :embarrass
another character that i have a hard time with: g&w, any tips?
fill the bucket and run away
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
LOL @ravyn's post. too funny.
G&W...
-Don't be predictable with arrows, bucket is ugly.
-If he throws you up, expect to airdodge an up-b.
-Don't get above him in general, he combo's well in the air and juggles fairly easily.
-Watch for nairs on the ground, he usually combo's into a d-smash or jab.
-DI that nasty bair, preferably up and away or behind him.
those were all I could think of at the moment.
G&W...
-Don't be predictable with arrows, bucket is ugly.
-If he throws you up, expect to airdodge an up-b.
-Don't get above him in general, he combo's well in the air and juggles fairly easily.
-Watch for nairs on the ground, he usually combo's into a d-smash or jab.
-DI that nasty bair, preferably up and away or behind him.
those were all I could think of at the moment.
Esca
Smash Champion
Against G&W, it may be dumb, but if you do it right it pays off.
Just fill up his bucket. He has to have an opening to hit you with it, so don't give him one. Just fill up the bucket and spam the **** out of him.
Watch out for dair/bair/nair and smashes and your good.
Just fill up his bucket. He has to have an opening to hit you with it, so don't give him one. Just fill up the bucket and spam the **** out of him.
Watch out for dair/bair/nair and smashes and your good.
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Do we have hitbox data on Pit?
Can't find anything. But then again, I'm no good at searching.
Can't find anything. But then again, I'm no good at searching.
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
As I said before, don't be predictable with arrows.
Butttttt...
If you know G&W wants to bucket your arrows, mindgame him by angling your arrow upwards before it hits the bucket, therefore missing it. After a while, it starts to get funner as they get more and more paranoid with it. I wouldn't suggest doing that at tournies, I usually do it in friendlies to have some laughs. Although, if G&W buckets endlessly offstage(as a result of you spamming arrows from the stage), they can sometimes get carried away and end up getting GIMPED.
Butttttt...
If you know G&W wants to bucket your arrows, mindgame him by angling your arrow upwards before it hits the bucket, therefore missing it. After a while, it starts to get funner as they get more and more paranoid with it. I wouldn't suggest doing that at tournies, I usually do it in friendlies to have some laughs. Although, if G&W buckets endlessly offstage(as a result of you spamming arrows from the stage), they can sometimes get carried away and end up getting GIMPED.
If you shoot GnWs bucket with an arrow the bucket stays out longer, so if you need to land a kill move shoot him with a short hopped arrow for less lag and if he buckets the arrow then it should give u enough time to land an Fsmash or other kill moves.
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Exactly how long, in seconds, can pit charge his arrow?
Just wanted to know. I can't test it out since I don't have a wii.
Just wanted to know. I can't test it out since I don't have a wii.
Afropony
Smash Lord
It depends how long you swing the control stick around. I know you asked for the exact amount of time but I'm going to guess about 6-7 seconds.
dualseeker
Smash Ace
Is everyone 100% SURE that nobody has found a gauranteed way to perform Pits ART? Because I think I just found a way. Is everyone sure that no one has found a way to do ART?
Also, is Wing Dashing a good way to get closer to an opponent and do an attack?
Also, is Wing Dashing a good way to get closer to an opponent and do an attack?
Afropony
Smash Lord
I would use wing dashing to move out of the range of my opponents attacks, not go into it.
But maybe that's just me.
What's the timing you've found for ART? I think the only person that could use it properly was Kupo and he's pretty much stopped playing Brawl now.
But maybe that's just me.
What's the timing you've found for ART? I think the only person that could use it properly was Kupo and he's pretty much stopped playing Brawl now.
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Yeah lol. I was looking for without movement/with movement of "charge-stance"
It's okay if you don't know exact amount, wasn't expecting that anyhow.
Pretty sure they've concluded that the most effective way to perform ART would be to mash the B-button when you're about to touch the ground. Some people claim to have figured out the exact timing, but I havn't seen any true proof of this, nor have I been able to find the exact time to intitiate the "slide" part in it.
That's what I was thinking,
Use the wind's push effect to mess up their spacing, and punish with Fsmash or Fair.
Katana_koden
Smash Ace
ART is done by doing a full hop, not too soon, not too late. Basically right exactly when pit says "huh!" from jumping you press side b.
The short hop, i haven't figured the timing.
dualseeker
Smash Ace
I've actually managed to do the Short Hop ART twice in a row. But I'm still afraid to go out with it. I think someone will just say it's useless. But I don't know how to explain it. I'll try to do it tomorrow. Although I hope it works for people.
Also, why do people think Arrow Looping is not for competitive play?
Also, why do people think Arrow Looping is not for competitive play?
Phaigne
Smash Journeyman
The setup takes too long. Most opponents have enough time to react and punish. Though, I don't believe it is completely useless, only very situational and even them you have to be very good at it. Mostly I just use it as a taunt.
Katana_koden
Smash Ace
I don't think the set up takes to long at all, more like a delayed arrow.
Most people can't control arrows and position themselves correctly to think its useful.
If you know how to control an arrow just right, you have enough time to evade and attack with an arrow returning just in time.
Most people can't control arrows and position themselves correctly to think its useful.
If you know how to control an arrow just right, you have enough time to evade and attack with an arrow returning just in time.
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
whats an ART?