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Social The Ganonic Grimoire - Kongregation of Kings

Z1GMA

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I'd like to add:
Fair is often too slow to true combo at lower %'s where Uair is fast enough.
However, at mid %'s Uair is often too slow instead, but Fair works perfectly fine, thanks to its range.

Also, throwing light characters allows Ganon to move sooner than when throwing heavy characters.

And like Kalm said, you need to do it all quick and properly for it to work;
Dthrow > Buffered Dash Canceled Fullhop Rising Fair.

It feels great that a character like Ganon (who otherwise stuggles with strings and combos) has this combo.
It can kill super-early near the ledges if the Fair is fresh.
 
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I've seen so many conflicting things about the Ganon vs Mewtwo MU.

Some say at the Mewtwo MU thread that its in Mewtwo's favor because Mewtwo can gimp Ganon hella early and that Mewtwo has more tools to be safe against Ganon. While others have said what's been said so far in this thread....

I dunno tbh, I might just have to go up against a decent Mewtwo for the MU experience :p
 

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Ladies and gentlemen, after losing my wii U due to a rough breakup...I am returning! :D 'tis good to be back with my brethren.
 

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Ladies and gentlemen, after losing my wii U due to a rough breakup...I am returning! :D 'tis good to be back with my brethren.
And yet another King of Evil returns to spread darkness among the smash meta.
 

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Quite a disappointing story I recommend you guys to read;

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MagiusNecros

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Tis a dark world we live in. Some people have not a care in the world to spare consideration of medical problems others may have. All because of sexual orientation. Quite pathetic. Chronic pain might have been the final push but trash suggesting for one to end their life is pitiful and in the end saddening.

And yet I can't help but feel nothing when the world is naught but filled with negativity every day.
 

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I just want to say that my figurative PM/Melee hard-on has died down somewhat, and I've decided to try to get into Smash 4 in earnest. As I type this, I'm uploading to Youtube a few replays I recorded from Anther's ladder--one of which I commentated. Right now I only have 3DS, but if I gain traction and start to enjoy the game as much as I enjoyed Brawl, I'll put up some $$ for a WiiU.
 
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Did Ganon's U-smash in Brawl have a goofy disjoint too? You can literally safely kick bomb-ombs with ease with U-smash in this game because it's so disjointed.

Other than that, from what I can tell, B-air has a significant disjoint (safe from bomb), D-tilt, F-tilt, D-smash, and F-smash all have minor disjoints (not safe from bomb). I'm not positive, but I couldn't really figure out if Ganon's F-air was disjointed.
 

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Greetings comrades many moons it has been since my last appearance but I have now returned and where might one post a video of a Ganon murder in which I have one if anyone is interested?
 

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semi relevant, if i have video evidence of super battlefield jank that i encountered while stomping peach during practice, i wouldn't necessarily post that in the video thread (since that's for actual matches), would I?
 

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Probably Ganon's Book of Sinister Secrets is your best bet there. I guess The WIse Ganon may also be appropriate but the nature of your find seems to fit the first one a little better.

You wouldn't happen to be referring to auto canceling Dair using SH>DJ>Dair onto a platform, would you? There was a little bit of discussion about this tech earlier this year but more evidence would be nice. If you found something else, even better!
 

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No, what I found wasn't an applicable technique of any sort, more just like something that makes you wonder what in the heck is wrong with the physics in this game.

Also wondering if anyone else had found anything similar.
 

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heyyyy so i'm going to my first smash 4 tournament in months next week and i'd like to do well. i know nothing about customs and i'm not up to date with any sort of ganondorf stuff at all. any new discoveries? tech, matchup pointers, etc that i should know about? what have i missed? someone update me plz.
 

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heyyyy so i'm going to my first smash 4 tournament in months next week and i'd like to do well. i know nothing about customs and i'm not up to date with any sort of ganondorf stuff at all. any new discoveries? tech, matchup pointers, etc that i should know about? what have i missed? someone update me plz.
Dark fists is your best friend, it's better than dark dive in almost every way.
Also check out wizard dropkick, it's a good substitute to default kick in a lot of matchups because it helps recovery & approaching a lot.
 

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oh also apparently there's some way to lag cancel aerials now? can someone explain how to do that? or if it's useful at all?

actually, i'm finally watching videos of this gungnir guy and is see that not only is he doing this lag cancel thing, but it's pretty good. he also does some bair onto the stage from the ledge thing but i'm not really sure what that is. someone explain plz
 
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MagiusNecros

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Yeah Dark Fists and Wizard's Dropkick you should have unless you really Wizard's Foot for the spike properties.

You can go with any neutral B you want but I go for Warlock Blade because it is faster and has more range to it and makes people fearful if they shield it.

You can SH Bair and Uair and go right into anything you want. I usually go Flame choke since opponents want to rush in. And then they get grabbed.
 
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@ A2ZOMG A2ZOMG @ Vermanubis Vermanubis @ Z1GMA Z1GMA gimme some knowledge if possible, thanks
Ganon's best custom move is Dark Fists, the 2nd Up-B which has super armor on frame 5 and is two hits instead of a grab. Wizard's Drop Kick, the 2nd Down-B is also decent in some matchups for hopping above projectiles to punish them and for boosting Ganon's recovery (it's a shame you can't B reverse it though).

In tournament, you probably have to be concerned about custom Villager as Ganon does not have a very easy time dealing with Timber Counter, where the sapling is like an immobile Banana with infinite durability.

Frame canceling aerials where you hit an aerial as absolutely close to the ground as possible for some reason causes you to go into landing lag while your enemy is in hitlag. Very situational outside of techchasing/reading airdodge. Most obvious on D-air which has a lot of hitlag. Other than that there really isn't any new way to lag cancel aerials outside of the autocancels that we already are familiar with.

Also ledgehop B-air does autocancel. Requires you to use the C-stick to consistently input it.
 

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heyyyy so i'm going to my first smash 4 tournament in months next week and i'd like to do well. i know nothing about customs and i'm not up to date with any sort of ganondorf stuff at all. any new discoveries? tech, matchup pointers, etc that i should know about? what have i missed? someone update me plz.
Kong cyclone is another move to watch out for. First of all, I'd look up the video "wind kong and you" as it gives a lot of good advice.

Also, since DK needs to auto cancel it, you can almost always know where he's going and apply pressure accordingly. For instance, if DK uses it from a grounded level on smashville, you know for certain that he's going to go for the platform.

Even on battlefield and Lylat, you can still see where he's headed pretty easily. Do not go for a hard punish. Ganon's not fast enough to do so and he doesn't even need to be. Since he puts himself on a platform, you can just pressure him with U-smash and U-air and punish his landing option. If you're worried about really powerful customs, I'd ask @Amazing Ampharos, he knows a lot about this kind of thing.


As for Ganon's customs, you should always use Dark Fists. (Shameless self plug) it's so good, I wrote an entire guide dedicated solely to the move, "the art of the (dark) fist".

Wizard's dropkick is actually very matchup specific. You primarily want it in match ups where recovery is a priority, such as Rosalina, Sheik, Villager, ZSS, and Pikachu. Wizkick is generally the better option since Dark Fists is usually all you need to get through edgeguarding.

Don't use Flame Wave. It's not useless, but it's not worth losing Flame Choke.
 
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Ganon's best custom move is Dark Fists, the 2nd Up-B which has super armor on frame 5 and is two hits instead of a grab. Wizard's Drop Kick, the 2nd Down-B is also decent in some matchups for hopping above projectiles to punish them and for boosting Ganon's recovery (it's a shame you can't B reverse it though).

In tournament, you probably have to be concerned about custom Villager as Ganon does not have a very easy time dealing with Timber Counter, where the sapling is like an immobile Banana with infinite durability.

Frame canceling aerials where you hit an aerial as absolutely close to the ground as possible for some reason causes you to go into landing lag while your enemy is in hitlag. Very situational outside of techchasing/reading airdodge. Most obvious on D-air which has a lot of hitlag. Other than that there really isn't any new way to lag cancel aerials outside of the autocancels that we already are familiar with.

Also ledgehop B-air does autocancel. Requires you to use the C-stick to consistently input it.
thanks for using the number of the custom move as well lol, idk what any of these names mean.

really appreciate this reply.
 

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Looks like Blob and A2've got it covered, man. Not much else to add. I agree with the sentiment about dropkick being very MU specific -- lotsa folks seem to like to use it in all MUs, but imo, it's inappropriate for 80%+ of Ganon's MUs.
 

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is multi-hit side b any good?
If you're feeling adventurous against Rosalina, it's pretty good there. The general rule as I see it for the multi-hit choke is against characters out of which you don't get much mileage from regular choke, i.e. characters with no follow-ups, e.g. Falcon, Zelda, Ike, etc.

But the same general rule applies to the one that pops 'em up, and imo, anywhere where the multi-hit is useful, the pop-up is more useful. The one upside in the Rosa match is that it kills Luma really well. But Luma isn't a big issue if you land a choke that kills her anyway :p
 
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Flame Wave is so much fun in 2on2s.
You Choke an opponent, his teamate rushes in to punish you and/or prevent you from following up, only to be blasted away by the shockwave.
 

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Could someone please mentor me or consider it please I feel like it would benefit me I am a hard worker and never give up despite the odds.
 

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Going to go to a bottom tier Smash 4 and brawl tournament tomorrow.

Planning to crown Ganon as his rightful place as King there

Starts at around 1pm.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/pidgezero_one
There's a bottom tier in Smash 4? Every time I feel like a character is bad or underpowered I wind up running into a really good main of said character that forces me to reevaluate my views. But if there is a bottom tier I don't know what Ganon would be doing down there.
 
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