The Chaingrab Breakdown

[sMexy-Blu]

I dunno if this has been found yet but Falco's U-Throw is a very good finisher for Falco's D-Throw Chaingrab and it is also an awesome Mindgame
You can also finish it a with a spike if you jump very quickly after the U-throw.

You can use this to Mix your game up and don't get too predictable with always doing D-Throw to Spike.

D-Throw to ledge > U-throw > Spike :D

 

[Korpocalypse]

is it know that falco has a standing chaingrab on fox and wolf (only ones I tested)

 

[J4pu]

im pretty sure it's known

 

[XxBlackxX]

I dunno if this has been found yet but Falco's U-Throw is a very good finisher for Falco's D-Throw Chaingrab and it is also an awesome Mindgame
You can also finish it a with a spike if you jump very quickly after the U-throw.

You can use this to Mix your game up and don't get too predictable with always doing D-Throw to Spike.

D-Throw to ledge > U-throw > Spike :D

why would you need to though, if the end result is a spike anyways? the dthrow off the ledge->dash, sh, dair is a (almost? has this been tested?) spike. so, no point to uthrow because then it isn't guaranteed.
if you want to mix things up, consider jumping off the edge about the dthrow and not spiking them, just make it look like you are, they will probably airdodge and go below the stage. at this point you can gimp/ledgehog their recovery. this only works on characters with poor recovery though, it won't work on snake, ROB, MK, jiggs, etc.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

why would you need to though, if the end result is a spike anyways? the dthrow off the ledge->dash, sh, dair is a (almost? has this been tested?) spike. so, no point to uthrow because then it isn't guaranteed.
if you want to mix things up, consider jumping off the edge about the dthrow and not spiking them, just make it look like you are, they will probably airdodge and go below the stage. at this point you can gimp/ledgehog their recovery. this only works on characters with poor recovery though, it won't work on snake, ROB, MK, jiggs, etc.

Well my friend uses DK and Ike so everytime I do this he can't scape it, I tested it with him, he tried to airdodge, fastfall , DI , jump but he didn't managed to scape the Dair after the U-throw.

 

[J4pu]

Falco has 0-death CG>Dair> edgehog on Ike
why mess with that?

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Falco has 0-death CG>Dair> edgehog on Ike
why mess with that?

I don't know maybe to mindgame a bit?

 

[XxBlackxX]

I don't know maybe to mindgame a bit?

lol @ the use of "mindgame".
seriously though, im not calling you a scrub or anything offensive, but why the **** would you mindgame when you already have a 0-death on the character. sure, you can "mindgame" before you get the first grab in by not being predictable, reacting to the opponent so you can grab him, but once you have him in the chain, what's the point of going for something more risky? in friendlies it's okay for more flair i guess, but seems kinda useless honestly.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

lol @ the use of "mindgame".
seriously though, im not calling you a scrub or anything offensive, but why the **** would you mindgame when you already have a 0-death on the character. sure, you can "mindgame" before you get the first grab in by not being predictable, reacting to the opponent so you can grab him, but once you have him in the chain, what's the point of going for something more risky? in friendlies it's okay for more flair i guess, but seems kinda useless honestly.

Yeah I though that too lulz, Anyway I was just telling.

 

[Korpocalypse]

im pretty sure it's known

Not listed?

 

[Denzi]

Not listed?

But known. There's a lot of stuff like than, much of the time it's just not extremely useful and we forget to mention it.

 

[Arzengel]

how can the chaingrab be avoided with pit for example? cause i try to tap A repeatdley and it SOMETIME works bu thats mostly when my opponent has its timing-off.

 

[XxBlackxX]

how can the chaingrab be avoided with pit for example? cause i try to tap A repeatdley and it SOMETIME works bu thats mostly when my opponent has its timing-off.

er it can't. that's why it's called a CHAINGRAB. it's only escapeable after 45% or til the edge.

 

[Low Rider1717]

I found that Boozer can get out of it fairly early with the whirling forretress
il post a vid up when i can
also i think Dk can with the spining kong

 

[XxBlackxX]

I found that Boozer can get out of it fairly early with the whirling forretress
il post a vid up when i can
also i think Dk can with the spining kong

DK cannot.

im not sure about bowser though i don't know enough about him.
but what's a "whirling forretress"?

 

[Low Rider1717]

my bad i dont member what its called
it his up-B

 

[XxBlackxX]

my bad i dont member what its called
it his up-B

eh in that case i don't think bowser can either unless the falco messes up.

 

[Low Rider1717]

I disagree
I have actually pulled it off a few consecutive times
but meh i still gotta prove it
Il post a vid up soon
unless some1 proves me wrong lol

 

[XxBlackxX]

I disagree
I have actually pulled it off a few consecutive times
but meh i still gotta prove it
Il post a vid up soon
unless some1 proves me wrong lol

that doesn't mean anything because the falco you played could have been scrubby and screwed up somehow.

 

[Low Rider1717]

Well he was actually pretty good
but again I still need to try this more as well as put up a vid

 

[Denzi]

Well he was actually pretty good
but again I still need to try this more as well as put up a vid

Was the Falco using the walking or the running CG?
(I'm almost positive Bowser can't get out below 45%)

 

[Korpocalypse]

I'd say any standing chaingrab is quite useful, no?

 

[Denzi]

I'd say any standing chaingrab is quite useful, no?

But standing = not moving which = not getting closer to the ledge which = not getting closer to the offstage spike which = less than great.

 

[Vlade]

Yeah no point with the standing chaingrab, unless you're already close to the edge. In that instance, just reverse boost pivot grab. The dthrow walking chaingrab > standing CG.

 

[Teran]

I disagree
I have actually pulled it off a few consecutive times
but meh i still gotta prove it
Il post a vid up soon
unless some1 proves me wrong lol

I've broken out of the CG several times with the Falco Phantasm, doesn't mean that he can break out 100%. If the Falco messes up, then yeah I'm sure Bowser's upB will work, but no Bowser's broken out of mine.

 

[Vlade]

Yeah it will only work if the falco screws up the chaingrab

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

my only problem wiff da chain grab is da piviot grab. Is there any ''easier'' way to do it. Every time i do it its either falco doesn't slide far or falco juss doesn't slide xD

 

[Teran]

my only problem wiff da chain grab is da piviot grab. Is there any ''easier'' way to do it. Every time i do it its either falco doesn't slide far or falco juss doesn't slide xD

There's no easy way, just practice and learn. Go to training mode and try it out someone that can be CG'd, and learn it, then repeat as many times until you can get it 10-20 times in a row. Save stuff like this for the Q&A thread next time though.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203463

 

[The Bird]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried Falco's chain-grab WITHOUT movement? I'm sometime able to double chain-grab without movement, on -I think- the third grab, the ending result. Is a chain-grab that ends up with about (If not exactly.) 53% before a finishing spike. Of course I've been able to sometimes get in two without movement.

This is against my brother, yes he knows how to get out of chain grabs - We've played more than 200, Falco vs Link matches. He normally is able to get out at 33%

 

[§witch]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried Falco's chain-grab WITHOUT movement? I'm sometime able to double chain-grab without movement, on -I think- the third grab, the ending result. Is a chain-grab that ends up with about (If not exactly.) 53% before a finishing spike. Of course I've been able to sometimes get in two without movement.

This is against my brother, yes he knows how to get out of chain grabs - We've played more than 200, Falco vs Link matches. He normally is able to get out at 33%

Yeah, it's possible on really fastfallers.

 

[Denzi]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried Falco's chain-grab WITHOUT movement? I'm sometime able to double chain-grab without movement, on -I think- the third grab, the ending result. Is a chain-grab that ends up with about (If not exactly.) 53% before a finishing spike. Of course I've been able to sometimes get in two without movement.

Yes,

But standing = not moving which = not getting closer to the ledge which = not getting closer to the offstage spike which = less than great.

I hope that explained it.

 

[The Bird]

Yes but sometimes you're to close to the edge = not enough damage = pointless pike = less than great

Catch my drift?


By the way, nice Icon, where's it from?

 

[Rogue Pit]

Falco can walk chaingrab pit. And pit gets out by activating Wings of Icarus which has a pushing effect.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

can you add the bombs of toon link and link to counters? i dont know if this has been mentioned before, just noticing that its not there

 

[Denzi]

can you add the bombs of toon link and link to counters? i dont know if this has been mentioned before, just noticing that its not there

They're only counters if you grab thenm while they're holding one (at which point it's your fault).

A lot of Links will actually bomb themselves (pull bomb -> throw down) just to avoid getting zero - deathed. Snakes used to do it too (Sheild-dropped nade (x2) -> C4) before C4 jumping was really used, but they don't so much now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

They're only counters if you grab thenm while they're holding one (at which point it's your fault).

A lot of Links will actually bomb themselves (pull bomb -> throw down) just to avoid getting zero - deathed. Snakes used to do it too (Sheild-dropped nade (x2) -> C4) before C4 jumping was really used, but they don't so much now.

its only a counter when they hold em? thats not a valid argument. upB from marth is only a counter if they use it.

 

[Denzi]

its only a counter when they hold em? thats not a valid argument. upB from marth is only a counter if they use it.

Not a valid comparison. Marth's UpB can be used at any time, while Link and TLink actually have to pull a bomb before You grab them for it to allow them to escape.

 

[Teran]

When I use Marth on Falco, I tend to avoid upBing during the CG unless I'm near the edge. Better get punished on the ground than spiked to death. Most Falcos will do dthrow to gatling though. Wait... why the hell did I post this? Lol @ random thoughts.

 

[Denzi]

Posting random thoughts? OK, I think this thread needs a section on grab setups.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not a valid comparison. Marth's UpB can be used at any time, while Link and TLink actually have to pull a bomb before You grab them for it to allow them to escape.

meh a link would be stupid not to pull a bomb out against chaingrab