PartyHatPikaChu
Smash Apprentice
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No, wouldnt work. If it worked, our previous matchup discussions would have ended up beeing said useful discussion.
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The Captain Falcon Q&A Thread
- Thread starter illinialex24
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t3h n00b
Smash Ace
I kind of agree with the whole specific-move thing, but it is pretty much covered by matchup discussion, or should be. My moveset discussion thread is intended to help with general understanding and usefulness of moves, or the best move to use in a certain situation. I think moves that should be used against specific characters would be best suited for a matchup thread. Maybe you and P3 could get together to implement that in the matchup thread if both you guys want to. I don't think most of the whole specific-move thing was meant as a suggestion for my thread, but I could be wrong, and feel free to suggest things for it.
I talked to LinIsKorean, and I'm in the process of remaking the video thread. It'll probably be up in a day or two, and hopefully that will help matchups a little bit by highlighting the more high-level matches, so the matchup can be seen at a level close to the current metagame.
His idea hasn't been tried yet. So it could work. And, imo at least, the matchup discussions have been useful, and far more useful than no matchup discussion. His idea was just a suggestion, meant to improve matchup discussions. I definitely agree with Roager in that matchup discussions are vital to improving Falcon, so anything that might work is beneficial, and saying that his idea hasn't worked yet is a moot point because it hasn't been implemented yet.
So, I guess my idea isn't as unaccepted as I thought, so the question is, do we want to try something like it?
If we want it, I could go in and make a separate thread for each character, and have either a dedicated index thread, or a section in Darx's. (it is his, right? I'm not sure i remember right)
Unless someone else would rather take up the job.
Or we could not do it.
EDIT: other option would be to add a link of each character to their section in the matchup thread we have.
MOAR EDIT: Ok, I have support, I guess. Not universal, but still. How to go about it, then? Any suggestions? Pick one of the above? Something new? Moar question marks?
If we want it, I could go in and make a separate thread for each character, and have either a dedicated index thread, or a section in Darx's. (it is his, right? I'm not sure i remember right)
Unless someone else would rather take up the job.
Or we could not do it.
EDIT: other option would be to add a link of each character to their section in the matchup thread we have.
MOAR EDIT: Ok, I have support, I guess. Not universal, but still. How to go about it, then? Any suggestions? Pick one of the above? Something new? Moar question marks?
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
Face's index is the current one now. And I'm not quite sure how you would go about doing your thread(s), but I'd be happy to help you if you want, I use a lot of characters so I don't get caught off guard by an opponent.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Feel free, the Q&A thread is meant to be a convenient place to post without using space in the boards. Who knows, it could others later. I am likely going to make this in a Q&A and FAQ soon.
Am I ********, or does the last half of that (the part after the word "boards") not make any sense?
Cuz if I'm ********, I'd like to know.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Nah, your not ********, I was just alluding to that asking questions here helps me address them later when I make it a Q&A and FAQ. Because I'll be answers questions that are commonly asked, the more that are there, the better inclination of what I should answer.
*post removed due to uselessness*
*new post begins here*
Well, it looks like I (possibly also tehnoob, and/or anyone else who wants to) will start working on analysis, of Falcon, of others, and how those relate.
Night. I'll check back later, see what you guys say.
*new post begins here*
Well, it looks like I (possibly also tehnoob, and/or anyone else who wants to) will start working on analysis, of Falcon, of others, and how those relate.
Night. I'll check back later, see what you guys say.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Do it, save this board.
PartyHatPikaChu
Smash Apprentice
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His idea has been tried. And it did not succeed.
The matchup thread was full of wrong ratios and misinformed posts, while they tried to make it serious and correct.
This board lacks the people to achieve said goal :/
And have you ever fought (a) good MK/IC's/snake/falco?
You can discuss all you want, and talk about zones all you want,but that is not improving falcon.
A different approach is required to improve falcon.
talkingbeatles
Smash Ace
I've fought a good IC and a good snake, but I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to MK.
I am not talking about the same type of thread as the matchup thread had. Same topic, sorta, but I'm talking about serious detail and in-depth strategy talk.
Maybe you're right, and it won't work, but even if it doesn't work, we're not really gonna lose anything, right?
More importantly, I've decided it should happen, so what's tho votes for how this should go down?
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
We're trying to be the people to obtain "said goal". And I've fought several good Snakes, Falcos, and MKs, but that doesn't mean anything. And you keep making assumptions about how this is going to fail, so what is the approach that you have in mind?
PartyHatPikaChu
Smash Apprentice
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It will turn into the same type of thread. It was always in depth, or at least, you guys tried to make it in depth.
Dont try to be who you are not.
And it does mean something.
and lol, you guys can figure that one out on your own.
yeah inorite
Kishin
Smash Ace
Co-operate with the other character boards for discussion.
RjPunch
Smash Journeyman
I think the match-up thread would work if you had people with tournament experience. Kishin is right about co-operating with the other boards. Who knows, it might get more people back on?
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Can Falcon Gentlemen in Brawl?
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Hmmm... I need to learn this, cause that stuff is fun.
yeah it is
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Is it the same as Melee? Jab Jab wait Jab?
yeah, but you can double/triple gentlemen because the third hit as almost the same knockback as the first and second
Winnar
Smash Lord
QFT
Also PartyHatPikaChu, don't be so presumptuous. These are new people trying new ideas, not old people trying old ideas.
Also about the gentleman, it's not nearly as useful as it was in melee since it's got like no knockback and some lag.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Gentleman?
Or do I not understand what the Gentleman was for in melee?
the gentlemen in melee really had no use
it was just cool
if anything it was to get them offstage
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
This is the saddest thing I've heard. Stupid Gentleman. I guess I'll just Jab Cancel to like Dtilt and wish that combo'd to knee...
on fox you can
jab jab
dtilt dtilt dtilt until hes high or DIs out
then follow up with AC fair
to grab
to dthrow
but you didnt hear it from me
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
:O!
Falcon is my new Fox counter? Maybe?
For when I can't get away ith Zamus at least.
Falcon is my new Fox counter? Maybe?
For when I can't get away ith Zamus at least.
i like fighting foxes with falcon:O!
Falcon is my new Fox counter? Maybe?
For when I can't get away ith Zamus at least.
such a fast match unless the fox is a douche
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
Zamus has a 0-100 dsmash infinite on Fox, maybe you knew though. But Fox vs. Falcon is a fun (and not that lopsided) match, like P3 said.:O!
Falcon is my new Fox counter? Maybe?
For when I can't get away ith Zamus at least.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
That's why most Fox's don't play my ZSS
oh
i thought it was because they would rather be playing melee fox
illinialex24
Smash Hero
God that ZSS combo is so annoying. But so awesome if I wanna CP Fox
Question:
What makes a "good" Falcon?
This is starting to annoy me as there are "good" Sonics and "good" Falcons who aren't "good" players.
And this applies to me too. I'm really only a decent player, I think.
._.; I'm just slightly annoyed at how someone is a "good" _______ just because they're not a total newb at a character lol.
What makes a "good" Falcon?
This is starting to annoy me as there are "good" Sonics and "good" Falcons who aren't "good" players.
And this applies to me too. I'm really only a decent player, I think.
._.; I'm just slightly annoyed at how someone is a "good" _______ just because they're not a total newb at a character lol.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
ZSS has a buffered chaingrab on half the cast, a stun lock on the Space Animals, and the newly discovered infinite on ROB. She's a tough competitor against any character besides Diddy, Luigi and Peach.
But yeah, back to Falcon.
What makes a good Falcon? There's many different things you could do to point out a good player from a bad one, but Falcon is a bit more complex than most of the roster. Lets take a look at Captain Falcon's moveset. Majority of which are attacks with low-mid power and knock back potential and can easily be followed up by another attack.
Example; Jab -> Jab Cancel -> Down Throw -> Aerial of Choice.
Any generic player would immediately attempt to perform an attack such as the Knee of Justice over and over throughout a match, like I used to do myself. There's a distinction between a character that can PERFORM things with ease, and those who can use them efficiently to kill. Where one player may attempt to use the Knee a good number of times in one stock, another might see the best choice as to save the attack for a kill move ONLY to prevent stale moves. A well placed knee should easily kill at a percent such as 85-95% on most characters (taking DI into exception) if it was unused during the match, where someone who used it multiple times will be having trouble killing with it around 120%.
You must also take into consideration that Captain Falcon, despite his ability to combo at low percents, can't be guaranteed a simple kill in Brawl like he could do in Melee. So, its a player's choice; Attempt the punishable and try to do flashy things the entire match without getting punished, or savor the stylish moves and mindgames for when its time to kill.
Personally, I would just play it smart and safe, throw a few weak knees in to topple the opponent over and then laglessly run in and get a grab or something else in on them before they have time to react. Use things like the sides of the stage for wall jump attacks and various mindgames. Abuse Raptor Boost and follow up with a uair or nair (since both have range and a long lasting hitbox). Also, you don't need to be too stylish when you can damage someone's ego with an inescapable combo.
Jab -> Jab Cancel -> Down Throw -> Show me your Moves.
But yeah, back to Falcon.
What makes a good Falcon? There's many different things you could do to point out a good player from a bad one, but Falcon is a bit more complex than most of the roster. Lets take a look at Captain Falcon's moveset. Majority of which are attacks with low-mid power and knock back potential and can easily be followed up by another attack.
Example; Jab -> Jab Cancel -> Down Throw -> Aerial of Choice.
Any generic player would immediately attempt to perform an attack such as the Knee of Justice over and over throughout a match, like I used to do myself. There's a distinction between a character that can PERFORM things with ease, and those who can use them efficiently to kill. Where one player may attempt to use the Knee a good number of times in one stock, another might see the best choice as to save the attack for a kill move ONLY to prevent stale moves. A well placed knee should easily kill at a percent such as 85-95% on most characters (taking DI into exception) if it was unused during the match, where someone who used it multiple times will be having trouble killing with it around 120%.
You must also take into consideration that Captain Falcon, despite his ability to combo at low percents, can't be guaranteed a simple kill in Brawl like he could do in Melee. So, its a player's choice; Attempt the punishable and try to do flashy things the entire match without getting punished, or savor the stylish moves and mindgames for when its time to kill.
Personally, I would just play it smart and safe, throw a few weak knees in to topple the opponent over and then laglessly run in and get a grab or something else in on them before they have time to react. Use things like the sides of the stage for wall jump attacks and various mindgames. Abuse Raptor Boost and follow up with a uair or nair (since both have range and a long lasting hitbox). Also, you don't need to be too stylish when you can damage someone's ego with an inescapable combo.
Jab -> Jab Cancel -> Down Throw -> Show me your Moves.
PartyHatPikaChu
Smash Apprentice
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