CloneHat
Smash Champion
I stayed in Terwijde last summer, it was pretty sweet. Is there only one chain of supermarkets?
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The Best Players.
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I wouldn't know man. Never been any further than Veldhuizen. Lol.
Bing
Smash Master
Man everyones list doesnt have a Canadian on it 
We got Kirbykaze, Unknown, Noobking, Kage and quite a few more good smashers...
gayyyyy
btw Zhu's ****, you guys left the topic for M2K's Sheik who on his BEST day could win sheik dittos with amsah
We got Kirbykaze, Unknown, Noobking, Kage and quite a few more good smashers...
gayyyyy
btw Zhu's ****, you guys left the topic for M2K's Sheik who on his BEST day could win sheik dittos with amsah
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well downair as well as been reduced by 1% and you can't even do downair to grab I don't think. Though perhaps his fair is more comboable lol. Idk I really would like to try one day.
Noobking? I don't think he's even top 40 lol. However Blunted Object or Diakonos might be another story.Man everyones list doesnt have a Canadian on it
We got Kirbykaze, Unknown, Noobking, Kage and quite a few more good smashers...
gayyyyy
btw Zhu's ****, you guys left the topic for M2K's Sheik who on his BEST day could win sheik dittos with amsah
Zhu's Canadian.Man everyones list doesnt have a Canadian on it
We got Kirbykaze, Unknown, Noobking, Kage and quite a few more good smashers...
gayyyyy
btw Zhu's ****, you guys left the topic for M2K's Sheik who on his BEST day could win sheik dittos with amsah
MattDotZeb
Smash Hero
Mizar
Smash Ace
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
i heard the only decent move ganon has in PAL is bair.
and thats cause its the only one that stayed the same.
that's why i figured the EU had no top ganons.
and thats cause its the only one that stayed the same.
that's why i figured the EU had no top ganons.
Mind Trick
Smash Ace
Nah son, Qlex usually places pretty good in france.
UK ganon Swizzy places pretty high in teams I think.
And dutch ganon Ace is up and coming.
Only things changed in PAL for ganon is a much weaker fair and dair does 1% less.
Meanwhile, marth is lighter and loses dair spike, sheik loses broken downthrow, fox is lighter and all his smashes are weaker, so those MU's become somewhat less up hill I would say.
UK ganon Swizzy places pretty high in teams I think.
And dutch ganon Ace is up and coming.
Only things changed in PAL for ganon is a much weaker fair and dair does 1% less.
Meanwhile, marth is lighter and loses dair spike, sheik loses broken downthrow, fox is lighter and all his smashes are weaker, so those MU's become somewhat less up hill I would say.
Linguini
Smash Master
I assumed you guys weren't ******** and understood the point of my post but I guess i'll have to spell it out for you. In regards to the peach/sheik comment, I was using it in the context of European players coming over to the United States. The fact that sheiks grab is better in NTSC actually makes it easier for top sheik players(like amsah) in the transition from Euro to American tournaments lol, so you are basically arguing against yourselves if anything. Peach, I don't even have to touch down upon since she's pretty much the same.
I can speak from experience. Ive been to a european tournament and I know I would never travel there just for smash. Ganon is pretty bad in PAL actually. His fair nerfing is more significant than one would think and this forces one to adopt a bair heavy playstyle, which is always bad in excess.
Point is, you can ***** all you want, but Americans have no obligation to travel to Europe for smash. Yes,it sounds like a "typical" arrogant, American way of thinking; but sadly it is true.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I am the best player.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
A bold claim.
Sim
Smash Apprentice
You forget Vwins.Man everyones list doesnt have a Canadian on it
We got Kirbykaze, Unknown, Noobking, Kage and quite a few more good smashers...
gayyyyy
btw Zhu's ****, you guys left the topic for M2K's Sheik who on his BEST day could win sheik dittos with amsah
Luma
Smash Lord
well linguini, you are an arrogant american, so your posts really fits you
but thx for not getting my point ;-)
but thx for not getting my point ;-)
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Do Vwins and Bam and all of them still play?
*Hi Zgetto
*Hi Zgetto
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Isn't linguini pretty much saying that europe's two best players have come over to america using characters that are either exactly the same, or significantly better... and that despite that, they didn't win, and were significantly challenged (and even beaten) by some of our not top caliber players?
I mean, I might be missing something, fill me in.
I mean, I might be missing something, fill me in.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
i think he's also stating that american players have little to prove overseas, as america has a much larger amount of players of high caliber.
especially from a ganon main's perspective.
especially from a ganon main's perspective.
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
Regarding this...Peach in PAL > Peach in NTSC, despite the fact that the characters are identical. Why? Because she suddenly gets killed a lot earlier by Fox Upsmash, Marth has a Ken Combo that can't be MC'd, and so on.
Even if you know that YOUR character has changed in this or that way (or not at all), you still have to learn the changes of other characters (Fox has a longer Firefox, and it's most probably that due to this, Over failed an edgeguard against M2K on his last stock in the last game at Pound 4 that could have netted him a kill). Essentially, PAL and NTSC are two different games, one being a slight modification of the other. If you're good at one, you'll be good at the other one as well, but not necessarily better just because your character was buffed. In fact, you'll probably be only slightly worse (unless you play CF and suddenly get easy Gentlemen) due to how you're not used to the changes in your/your opponent's character.
/random post
Anyway, my point is: The best player in NTSC isn't necessarily the best in PAL. Armada and Amsah has proved themselves in NTSC, but the top Americans haven't proved themselves in PAL. We are therefore able to create a pretty accurate NTSC list, but absolutely not a PAL one if we want to include Americans. If we want maximum accuracy, top NTSC players need to play PAL tournaments with top PAL users.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Yeah, because sending a jigglypuff players to europe where, by your logic:
marth can't ken combo
fox has worse kills and a worse recovery
sheik has no autocombo from grab
will totally make a difference to hbox. I'm sure hbox will be SO bad at PAL.
I love european smash, but if anything, jiggs is better in PAL because of the same reasons you stated.
marth can't ken combo
fox has worse kills and a worse recovery
sheik has no autocombo from grab
will totally make a difference to hbox. I'm sure hbox will be SO bad at PAL.
I love european smash, but if anything, jiggs is better in PAL because of the same reasons you stated.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Yeah and it's not like he's losing a home-field advantage or something because the crowd never roots for him anyway
TheGoat
Smash Ace
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haha true
and like DruggedFox said, jiggs gets an indirect buff in PAL. Oh the horror...
Mind Trick
Smash Ace
Yoshi is buffed in PAL dawg, jiggs dont stand a chance
Hack
Smash Journeyman
Summary: Hbox will have a downhill battle (so to speak) if he goes to EU. He is pretty much your top player now anyway, so until Armada manages to beat him, it doesn't really matter if it's PAL or NTSC.
American Fox-, Falco-, Marth- and Sheik-mains will all have an uphill battle. This is what matters.
American Fox-, Falco-, Marth- and Sheik-mains will all have an uphill battle. This is what matters.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falco players will counter by shooting more lasers.
Zgetto
Smash Ace
HI Dark Hart.
WasuppppSup to the homie zgetto
Lol! ur lucky man we gotta alotta good players.. u should come to a tournament sometime.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Vwins still plays a lot, last week we played like 5 times during the week 5-6 hours every session.. so ya with Pkm too. We are definitely trying to get better a lot. =) There will be lots of Pound 5 training!!
@Zgetto
Some dude called Mizar gave me a link to a Dutch Smash community. smash-bros.nl, to be precise. There are no upcoming Melee tournaments, as far as I've seen, and even if there were, it'd be a huge step, as I've never been at a real tournament with recognized players. :/ But I'll check it out.
Some dude called Mizar gave me a link to a Dutch Smash community. smash-bros.nl, to be precise. There are no upcoming Melee tournaments, as far as I've seen, and even if there were, it'd be a huge step, as I've never been at a real tournament with recognized players. :/ But I'll check it out.
Hack
Smash Journeyman
Kage: What's the Canadian top 10, roughly?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Not in order would be. Vwins, Pkm, Kage, Raynex, Unknown, Kirbykaze, IB, Diakonos, Blunted Object, I would put Bam but he doesn't play so.. idk another 10th right now.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Kage MM me so I can tickle your Ganon off the stage.
With my legs.
Canada's good players are like
LuigiLover62, Kage, Unknown522, IB, PKMvodka, RaynEX, Vwins, Diakonos, Blunted_Object10, Dieslow, and Sion.
Order is like really hard. I think EC Canada's top players are better than WC Canada's top players though.
LOL no offense BC; if you take offense to this we can crew battle :]
LuigiLover is inconsistent though because he's terrible
With my legs.
Canada's good players are like
LuigiLover62, Kage, Unknown522, IB, PKMvodka, RaynEX, Vwins, Diakonos, Blunted_Object10, Dieslow, and Sion.
Order is like really hard. I think EC Canada's top players are better than WC Canada's top players though.
LOL no offense BC; if you take offense to this we can crew battle :]
LuigiLover is inconsistent though because he's terrible
Zgetto
Smash Ace
That the legend Mizar.. hes best in holland.
And i might do a smashfest like next week.. maybe u can see how it is for a bit.
Iron Dragon
Smash Lord
sigging this. brb >_>. (for lol, not seriousness) >_>
We all know Ontario houses the best players in Canada
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
We have LuigiLover62
PB&J
Smash Hero
zgetto- are u coming to pound 5..if not..come..lol..
for real though ..u should come..
tournies are getting harder and harder..so many people are getting good its crazy..
ill try to get shiz to come to pound 5..im sure he wants to come..and see if a miracle happens and get keepspeedn to come too
zhu- you will be in the top 3 next week im sure of it..
for real though ..u should come..
tournies are getting harder and harder..so many people are getting good its crazy..
ill try to get shiz to come to pound 5..im sure he wants to come..and see if a miracle happens and get keepspeedn to come too
zhu- you will be in the top 3 next week im sure of it..
say whatt??
-ShadowPhoenix-
Smash Bash
didnt your falcon do better against shiz than your ganon???
Pogogo
Smash Journeyman
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How did HBox get so good at this game? Does anybody know that? I heard he was a King fanboy then he comes out of nowhere and wins pound 3. God that was terrible, sitting in that stupid basement. Now all M2k has to do is not get hit by any of jigg's grabs cause there all really good.
(Also) That was disrespectful, hbox. To mango to you to me. That was disrespectful.
I watch too many videos
(Also) That was disrespectful, hbox. To mango to you to me. That was disrespectful.
I watch too many videos
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I am the best player.
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