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@JPOBS If you ignore DGDTJ, you'll notice that Axe has been placing higher at each national.
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I think Hax has a huge skill cap but is inconsistent sometimes so it's easy to underrate him, maybe that inconsistency just comes along with being a Falcon main / everyone knowing how to fight him.i don't think he is either. I think Hax is underrrated.
worlds greatest shiek that sux ballz against falconHax might not be the MOST consistent player, but he fairly consistently places very high in huge tournaments using a character that is difficult to this with. He beat the world's greatest sheik.... with falcon! He deserves all the recognition he gets imo.
indeed. Im not at all saying "hax > axe." axe has certainly been improving at an amazing pace and its fun to watch him tear through brackets with pika lol@JPOBS If you ignore DGDTJ, you'll notice that Axe has been placing higher at each national.
possibly. i think he's fairly consistent, always between 7-13th (which is a range of 3 spots), but 5th is a spike furreal.I think Hax has a huge skill cap but is inconsistent sometimes so it's easy to underrate him, maybe that inconsistency just comes along with being a Falcon main / everyone knowing how to fight him.
True man, I won't argue that. He also wasted so many grabs vs pp... :/worlds greatest shiek that sux ballz against falcon
it's only a matter of learning though, once he does amsah will definitely be better than m2k
these lists swing pretty wildly lol
if hax banned fd and beat axe, then...
I personnaly think that people were waiting for Armada to beat HBox in order to consider the former better than the latter.Why is Armada suddenly better than Hbox after one tournament?
From what I heard, Hbox was practically throwing up on the TV.
Also, it's ONE tournament.
Plus, the Ylink was really unexpected. I pretty sure 1 week after Pound 5 Hbox is ready for that matchup.
Also, it's ONE tournament.
It's because hbox is the unproclaimed villain of smash. People always have to hate on someone. Sad but true.because... smashboards is dumb?
wow going to all my tournament placings im pretty goodYou must not follow the community much:
Genesis:
Hax- 8th
Jman- 13th
Axe- 33rd
Rom 2:
Hax: 7th
Jman: 5th
Axe: N/A
Pound 4:
Hax: 13th
Jman: 5th
Axe: 17th
Rom 3:
Hax: 13th
Jamn: 4th
Axe: N/A
Apex 2010:
Hax: 9th
Jman: 7th
Axe: 5th
DGDTJ:
Hax: N/A
Jman: 1st
Axe: 17th
Pound 5:
Hax: 5th
Jman: N/A
Axe: 4th
Add that to his numerous top3-5 teams placings with hbox.
To say that hax has had only one notable tourny performance is ridiculous.
For tournaments both Axe and Hax have attended, Hax far outperformed him at genesis, and placed one spot below axe at pound 5. Apex is the only tourny where axe significantly outplaced hax (5th compared to 9th)
To put it plainly, they both have 5th place finishes so they "cancel out". Axe has a 4th, but then his next highest placing is 17th. Hax has numerous 7th, 9th, and even 13th place finishes and has never placed lower than 13th at a national. Axe has placed 17th on numerous occasions, as well as 33rd.
Jesus is clearly the best out of the 3 of them (but i included him in my original post which you quoted), but I find it outrageous that people put axe in the same category as jman/zhu/lucky but always leave out Hax. If anything, Axe is the outlier here with only 2 notable tourny placings
I've got nothing against Axe, amazing player, but dudes need to give credit where credit is due.
edit: ps. love you axe and mean no disrespect at all, just giving attention to my boy hax, sorry if it seems like im being mean. i also think ur top 10 lol
You say that like no one would place armada above hbox before pound5.Why is Armada suddenly better than Hbox after one tournament?
From what I heard, Hbox was practically throwing up on the TV.
Also, it's ONE tournament.
Plus, the Ylink was really unexpected. I pretty sure 1 week after Pound 5 Hbox is ready for that matchup.
Also, it's ONE tournament.
Fancy tech skills don't work on me! I'll just mindgame you to death.Pshh kage, judging by what you've said about your falco, all i'd have to do to beat you in a marth ditto is spam fancy tech skill and i'd win!
M2K was hated on by the community for many years as well.It's because hbox is the unproclaimed villain of smash. People always have to hate on someone. Sad but true.
He still is. But he also has some fans out there, so it isn't AS BAD as HBox hate.M2K was hated on by the community for many years as well.
i don't get why people hate on jason so muchHe still is. But he also has some fans out there, so it isn't AS BAD as HBox hate.
(confused face)in terms of overall skill,
1. mango
2. armada
3. pp
4. hbox
5. m2k
5. amsah
When I'm going to crusade into Europe lol.I was not there on the first one =).
I don´t care how people rank me but count tournaments when Im not there (I have coming to US 4 times but no one from US are coming to Europe) and use it for arguments why people should be above me is bad.
Im trying to attend tournaments in US so much i can but 4 times in 1,5 years is not bad.
When will something from Europe start to counts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UmCIfkjrWoHax might not be the MOST consistent player, but he fairly consistently places very high in huge tournaments using a character that is difficult to this with. He beat the world's greatest sheik.... with falcon! He deserves all the recognition he gets imo.
You really just put Jman above Mango?pp
armada
hbox
m2k(someone might not like me for that)
jman
amsah
mango
hbox and m2k are like equal theyve shown they can beat each other
Axe gets more impressive wins than Hax does. Look at the brackets of who Hax beats in comparison to Axe's. Sure it's mostly spacies that Axe faces but it doesn't matter because Fox is still a disadvantage MU for Pikachu as far as I remember, and no matter how much Axe knows the MU it doesn't prevent it from being difficult. Back when Axe was barely just starting to rise/be upcoming he beat Jman when Jman was what...considered best Fox even by Genesis?You must not follow the community much:
Genesis:
Hax- 8th
Jman- 13th
Axe- 33rd
Rom 2:
Hax: 7th
Jman: 5th
Axe: N/A
Pound 4:
Hax: 13th
Jman: 5th
Axe: 17th
Rom 3:
Hax: 13th
Jamn: 4th
Axe: N/A
Apex 2010:
Hax: 9th
Jman: 7th
Axe: 5th
DGDTJ:
Hax: N/A
Jman: 1st
Axe: 17th
Pound 5:
Hax: 5th
Jman: N/A
Axe: 4th
Add that to his numerous top3-5 teams placings with hbox.
To say that hax has had only one notable tourny performance is ridiculous.
For tournaments both Axe and Hax have attended, Hax far outperformed him at genesis, and placed one spot below axe at pound 5. Apex is the only tourny where axe significantly outplaced hax (5th compared to 9th)
To put it plainly, they both have 5th place finishes so they "cancel out". Axe has a 4th, but then his next highest placing is 17th. Hax has numerous 7th, 9th, and even 13th place finishes and has never placed lower than 13th at a national. Axe has placed 17th on numerous occasions, as well as 33rd.
Jesus is clearly the best out of the 3 of them (but i included him in my original post which you quoted), but I find it outrageous that people put axe in the same category as jman/zhu/lucky but always leave out Hax. If anything, Axe is the outlier here with only 2 notable tourny placings
I've got nothing against Axe, amazing player, but dudes need to give credit where credit is due.
edit: ps. love you axe and mean no disrespect at all, just giving attention to my boy hax, sorry if it seems like im being mean. i also think ur top 10 lol
I believe Armada is a better player for now. We have had home-town advantage for every tournament, which is a factor in every other major sport except ours, apparently. He's not just playing across a few hours of time-lag, he's on another continent. He's not staying in the US for weeks beforehand getting used to the time and taking care of himself by sleeping/eating well, he just mans up and plays and beats everyone, getting incredible results with every tournament he has gone to against the best competition we have. I know I get tired when a local tournament goes on for too long, and that's without any other pressures from the crowd or people boosting up his opponent's confidence to their top levels. I don't think I've ever heard him complain about this at all either, definitely doesn't whine like a lot of people would, or even should. At Genesis he had one shot to prove himself.. how many times did he get ***** the first match, only to come back and figure out the other player in the 3rd match. He's playing against a different continent of styles, with a character who we thought had no chance in tournament, with styles that range from Lucky to Shiz to M2K to Mango, when everyone wanted to prove how bad Europe was and how Cort was the best Peach lol... I think that is pretty impressive.So... PP performs two upsetting/come back wins at TWO national tournaments and you still rank Armada above him? I don't understand the logic..
No I think Hungrybox is a better player than M2K. All those characters do not matter if none of them can get the job done. Hbox is also a lot more clutch than M2K.When I'm going to crusade into Europe lol.
Kira, overall skills? M2k should be above Hbox because M2k can use multiple characters at high level Hbox can only use one.
So I was listening to Outsides the Lines and they had a guy who wrote a book talking about statistics and player performances. His book shows that home field has no effect on player performance. Rather, the influence of home field advantage comes from refereeing. More yellow cards/red cards, technical fouls, ejections, etc happen on the away team. They tended to think it had to do with a group psychology type thing. I could go into more detail, but I'm on the phone.I believe Armada is a better player for now. We have had home-town advantage for every tournament, which is a factor in every other major sport except ours, apparently.
there are people who believe this but it is not a common positionSo I was listening to Outsides the Lines and they had a guy who wrote a book talking about statistics and player performances. His book shows that home field has no effect on player performance. Rather, the influence of home field advantage comes from refereeing. More yellow cards/red cards, technical fouls, ejections, etc happen on the away team. They tended to think it had to do with a group psychology type thing. I could go into more detail, but I'm on the phone.
Armada didn't go to RoM3 and the argument I was pointing out was that the two most recent nationals PP made loser bracket comebacks from them...I believe Armada is a better player for now. We have had home-town advantage for every tournament, which is a factor in every other major sport except ours, apparently.
What's the review video?Armada didn't go to RoM3 and the argument I was pointing out was that the two most recent nationals PP made loser bracket comebacks from them...
So...
Yeah...
I still don't understand.
I mean yeah hometown advantage means a lot. I actually felt kinda bad seeing Armada's face in the "review" video. Cuz you could tell that he was kinda broken spirited..
But comebacks against players like M2K, KK, Armada, etc is VERY impressive.