Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Sup guise, being away from the Falco boards for a while, any new interesting finds?
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The Bakery - Realised I can still edit the thread title!
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Marcbri
Smash Lord
I'm ranked first in Spain for a long time now, but I'll have to work hard this year if I want to stay at the top D:
clowsui
Smash Legend
playing your hardest when you know you have to leave a tournament is absolutely impossible.
game and watch is hard for my style of falco which relies on lasers a lot. i need to find a way to practice that ****
i'm horrible at doubles.
i need to stop getting so antsy if i'm down a stock.
that's what i learned today. i played bad in bracket but fairly well in pools. no need to let me into the BR, i'm just a stupid scrub
game and watch is hard for my style of falco which relies on lasers a lot. i need to find a way to practice that ****
i'm horrible at doubles.
i need to stop getting so antsy if i'm down a stock.
that's what i learned today. i played bad in bracket but fairly well in pools. no need to let me into the BR, i'm just a stupid scrub
swordsaint
Smash Master
Loving your lasers should mean you do well against GnW.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
How do you play GW?
He is my bottom 5
He is my bottom 5
swordsaint
Smash Master
With or against Bleachigo? Weren't quite clear on that. =P
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Against.
I can't find any OoS options against him. (His Dair) I also don't know how to DI from his dsmash setups because I don't know any of them.
I can't find any OoS options against him. (His Dair) I also don't know how to DI from his dsmash setups because I don't know any of them.
clowsui
Smash Legend
gw involves a lot of being patient for the kill, jabbing and pressuring his shield by doing retreating aerials such as dair or bair
you have to be opportunistic with the juggles. bair is your best friend. uair when they're closer to the ground sometimes, it'll surprise them
lasers have to be done specifically, i haven't played enough to know it exactly but once you play gw you'll find the laser range very quick. it's easy to bait kills by letting gw take a laser to the bucket and killing in the absorption lag
learn to mix up against dthrow, it's easy to do
triple jab or double jab **** vs. gw, i didn't use it enough at all
thanks to larry btw for all this advice while/after i was playing. sorry i had to lose with your tag, i was probably ****ty. "DEHF" is an awesome tag though!
you have to be opportunistic with the juggles. bair is your best friend. uair when they're closer to the ground sometimes, it'll surprise them
lasers have to be done specifically, i haven't played enough to know it exactly but once you play gw you'll find the laser range very quick. it's easy to bait kills by letting gw take a laser to the bucket and killing in the absorption lag
learn to mix up against dthrow, it's easy to do
triple jab or double jab **** vs. gw, i didn't use it enough at all
thanks to larry btw for all this advice while/after i was playing. sorry i had to lose with your tag, i was probably ****ty. "DEHF" is an awesome tag though!
swordsaint
Smash Master
I don't find you need to be all THAT patient on GnW to get a kill. Almost any move on your shield should mean a kill from an up smash OoS really.
It's a little bit defensive, but patient not so much. That would imply waiting long periods of time, which personally I don't think you have to.
CG's are easy to get because of the bucket lag, and if you're playing it right, should mean upwards of 60-70 damage.
If the GnW is silly enough to fill his bucket completely he loses bucket breaking, so you don't have to be too cautious with lasers, but you still need to play them smart. Either away, as long as you're only SHLing from mid-range, you'll find openings easy. While still in a very safe position.
Just use quick, safe moves like jab or ftilt when you're trying to create or poke for openings and use your Dair, Nair and Bair for OoS punishes when he's not in kill percent.
You'll find damage racking up quick on GnW, and as long as you're playing safe with the percent lead, you'll find the kill coming quite easily. GnW doesn't really have many safe moves to approach with.
If you're getting hit by turtle, it should be no big deal. Smash DI it up, and Dair the freak. If you're lucky/quick enough you should get a tech chase or two here and there.
If you're having trouble punishing key, just give up on it. It's better to not force the opening and take damage. Though really, jab or ftilt SHOULD be quick enough, and then there is IAPhantasm OoS.
As said, just mix up your get ups to avoid his tech chasing. Mixing it up is easy as long as you THINK about what you're doing.
I've noticed that with some players, they use reflector sometimes in this MU. It appears to be a safe spacing move when used right.
That's my input anyway.
It's a little bit defensive, but patient not so much. That would imply waiting long periods of time, which personally I don't think you have to.
CG's are easy to get because of the bucket lag, and if you're playing it right, should mean upwards of 60-70 damage.
If the GnW is silly enough to fill his bucket completely he loses bucket breaking, so you don't have to be too cautious with lasers, but you still need to play them smart. Either away, as long as you're only SHLing from mid-range, you'll find openings easy. While still in a very safe position.
Just use quick, safe moves like jab or ftilt when you're trying to create or poke for openings and use your Dair, Nair and Bair for OoS punishes when he's not in kill percent.
You'll find damage racking up quick on GnW, and as long as you're playing safe with the percent lead, you'll find the kill coming quite easily. GnW doesn't really have many safe moves to approach with.
If you're getting hit by turtle, it should be no big deal. Smash DI it up, and Dair the freak. If you're lucky/quick enough you should get a tech chase or two here and there.
If you're having trouble punishing key, just give up on it. It's better to not force the opening and take damage. Though really, jab or ftilt SHOULD be quick enough, and then there is IAPhantasm OoS.
As said, just mix up your get ups to avoid his tech chasing. Mixing it up is easy as long as you THINK about what you're doing.
I've noticed that with some players, they use reflector sometimes in this MU. It appears to be a safe spacing move when used right.
That's my input anyway.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
His upB, wheres the frame data I can't find it.
When does bucket kill?
Thanks guys.
When does bucket kill?
Thanks guys.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Just use midrange lasers (you'll get to learn the spacing automaticly) and don't react to his aerials, they are pretty much not punishable (nair crossup, bair that's spaced, dair with the shieldpushback)
reset situations a lot, gaw cant really do much about jab. jab a lot if he wants to smash because he cant land a smash if his life depends on it against us lol. GaW always kills with fair which (luckily for him) isn't so bad against falco if offstage which is often done by dtilt.
cant be bothered to elaborate atm, but my matches are so boring against this gaw (best gaw in europe - kaak) that he doesnt want to record them. lets just say thats a sign, lol.
reset situations a lot, gaw cant really do much about jab. jab a lot if he wants to smash because he cant land a smash if his life depends on it against us lol. GaW always kills with fair which (luckily for him) isn't so bad against falco if offstage which is often done by dtilt.
cant be bothered to elaborate atm, but my matches are so boring against this gaw (best gaw in europe - kaak) that he doesnt want to record them. lets just say thats a sign, lol.
swordsaint
Smash Master
18% Damage, Lowest Killing Power
- Bowser - Fire Breath (Multi-Hit *1)
- Charizard - Flamethrower (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ice Climber - Blizzard (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ness - Pk Fire Pillar (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ness - Pk Thunder Tail (Multi-Hit *1)
- Lucas - Pk Thunder Tail (Multi-Hit *1)
- Fox - DThrow
- Fox - BThrow
- Falco - Dthrow
- Falco - Bthrow
- Fox - Blaster *2 (Long range)
25% Damage, Low Killing Power
- Fox - Blaster *2 (Short range)
- Falco - Blaster
- Lucas - Pk Fire
- Samus - Charge Shot Uncharged
- Peach - Toad's Spores (Multi-Hit *1)
- Dedede - Waddle Doo Beam (Multi-Hit *1)
33% Damage, Fair Killing Power
- Ness - Pk Fire
- Yoshi - Pound Stars
- ZSS - Paralyzer Uncharged
- Kirby - Frying pan *3
42% Damage, Moderate Killing Power
- Mario - Fireballs
- Pit - Palutena's Arrow
- Dedede - Stars
- R.O.B. - Optic Blast
- Lucas - Pk Fire Explosion
- Lucario - Aura Sphere Uncharged *4
- Kirby - Final Cutter *5 (Short range)
50% Damage, High Killing Power
- Kirby - Final Cutter *5 (Long range)
- Luigi - Fireballs
- ZSS - Paralyzer Charged
- Wolf - Blaster
- Pikachu - Thunder Jolt *6 (Both forms)
60% Damage, Highest Killing Power
- Pikachu - Thunderbolt
- Zelda - Din's Fire
- R.O.B. - Optic Blast Charged
- Pit - Palutena's Arrow Charged
- Samus - Charge Shot Charged
- Lucario - Aura Sphere Charged *5
- Lucario - Force Palm *5
- Ness - Pk Flash
- Ness - Pk Thunder Head
- Lucas - Pk Freeze
- Lucas - Pk Thunder Head
- ZSS - Dsmash
A recently updated list from the Game and Watch boards, afaik it's correct to date but it doesn't have kill percents. An old list they had suggests that bucketed lasers will kill Falco at 65% with no DI. Though it's probably wrong.
Cross up Nairs aren't much too safe either, they are if they hit your shield, but it should be obvious when they're gonna do it so you should be getting out the way so there's no dead time.
As said, key's kinda safe, but only because you have to be quick about the punish. There's little time for a screw up, though you can do it. Again that's only when it lands on shield. Shield the first hit and spotdodge the landing, should be able to punish it.
- Bowser - Fire Breath (Multi-Hit *1)
- Charizard - Flamethrower (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ice Climber - Blizzard (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ness - Pk Fire Pillar (Multi-Hit *1)
- Ness - Pk Thunder Tail (Multi-Hit *1)
- Lucas - Pk Thunder Tail (Multi-Hit *1)
- Fox - DThrow
- Fox - BThrow
- Falco - Dthrow
- Falco - Bthrow
- Fox - Blaster *2 (Long range)
25% Damage, Low Killing Power
- Fox - Blaster *2 (Short range)
- Falco - Blaster
- Lucas - Pk Fire
- Samus - Charge Shot Uncharged
- Peach - Toad's Spores (Multi-Hit *1)
- Dedede - Waddle Doo Beam (Multi-Hit *1)
33% Damage, Fair Killing Power
- Ness - Pk Fire
- Yoshi - Pound Stars
- ZSS - Paralyzer Uncharged
- Kirby - Frying pan *3
42% Damage, Moderate Killing Power
- Mario - Fireballs
- Pit - Palutena's Arrow
- Dedede - Stars
- R.O.B. - Optic Blast
- Lucas - Pk Fire Explosion
- Lucario - Aura Sphere Uncharged *4
- Kirby - Final Cutter *5 (Short range)
50% Damage, High Killing Power
- Kirby - Final Cutter *5 (Long range)
- Luigi - Fireballs
- ZSS - Paralyzer Charged
- Wolf - Blaster
- Pikachu - Thunder Jolt *6 (Both forms)
60% Damage, Highest Killing Power
- Pikachu - Thunderbolt
- Zelda - Din's Fire
- R.O.B. - Optic Blast Charged
- Pit - Palutena's Arrow Charged
- Samus - Charge Shot Charged
- Lucario - Aura Sphere Charged *5
- Lucario - Force Palm *5
- Ness - Pk Flash
- Ness - Pk Thunder Head
- Lucas - Pk Freeze
- Lucas - Pk Thunder Head
- ZSS - Dsmash
A recently updated list from the Game and Watch boards, afaik it's correct to date but it doesn't have kill percents. An old list they had suggests that bucketed lasers will kill Falco at 65% with no DI. Though it's probably wrong.
Dunno what you're doing, but GnW's aerials aren't as safe as you say. Doesn't matter if they space the turtle right or not, it's so easy to beat their spacing because we can walk in to the turtle and shield it, to remove any spacing attempt they had.
Cross up Nairs aren't much too safe either, they are if they hit your shield, but it should be obvious when they're gonna do it so you should be getting out the way so there's no dead time.
As said, key's kinda safe, but only because you have to be quick about the punish. There's little time for a screw up, though you can do it. Again that's only when it lands on shield. Shield the first hit and spotdodge the landing, should be able to punish it.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Pikas are discussing which stages to strike/CP/ban vs. Falco! Come help, plz:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264940
*dthrows* >=D
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264940
*dthrows* >=D
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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You see, Denzi would have made a fine Baker (mod).
6Mizu
Smash Champion
I've always thought so too.
I <3 baking.....
and then protecting it; but I'm not as good as Larry at protecting my bread.
thriller should be a pretty good indicator. most of the country will be there, cept corpse and vlade. you can give me falco tips then
australia's biggest problem is that its almost as big as the us, but only has a handful of states and reasonable size cities. so its a long way to travel if you wanna play interstate.
swordsaint
Smash Master
That's exactly is Attila, plus our numbers hardly compare to the US.
dainbramage
Smash Journeyman
We're the geographical size of the US with 1/15th the population.
/reiterating what scoot/attila already said
/reiterating what scoot/attila already said
Vlade
Social Outcast
Attila try not to play falco too much against Tibor for me 
sorry vlade, i havent played snake in 3 weeks. he knows the mu pretty well now O_oAttila try not to play falco too much against Tibor for me
swordsaint
Smash Master
Against a bad Falco maybe...
what happened the last time you played tibor? cause i win about 70% of the time. more than enough mu experience for him.
swordsaint
Smash Master
Lol I was just trollin. <3
Eh, been AGES since I played Tibor. Like...months. The only time I've played him was at one of Jeis, but way back then my Falco was going practically even with him. I'd be really interested in playing him again. As would I, you.
Eh, been AGES since I played Tibor. Like...months. The only time I've played him was at one of Jeis, but way back then my Falco was going practically even with him. I'd be really interested in playing him again. As would I, you.
swordsaint
Smash Master
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Cao
It's because we are teh awesomes.
It's because we are teh awesomes.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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WRONG! It's because I made reborn this thread after 10 days of fasting. And when it was made reborn I said, "Let there be Aussies!"
And thus the aussies were born into the Bakery
Along with New Zealand, Australia and Canada are by far the most awesome-ist countries around. USA got nothing on them.
Take me with you Aussies! :embarrass
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
lol, I want to go to your respective countries and take all your money!
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Oh no! Watch out...he's gonna come and **** you guys!
Bleachigo take the other US Falcos with you!
swordsaint
Smash Master
Yeah, well. I'll learn Pikachu or something. If only to defend against the American invasion.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Your so lame, like you screwed me over big time.
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
GunmasterLombardi
Smash Champion
Denzi
Smash Master
Went to a tourney today. I Falcon ditto'd almost everyone in pools (excluding M2K) and ended up losing in bracket to a Falco (ugh) and a Pit (arrows >_<).
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Cp pit to yoshi's/castle siege > ?? > win
clowsui
Smash Legend
i did ****ty again :/ shouldn't have gone marth game 3 even tho he 3 stocked me game 1
Vlade
Social Outcast
Which tournament?
Just use all falco :D
Just use all falco :D
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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DEHF vs DSF winners. Best of 5. Falco vs MK.
These matches are fairly campy so be warned. But, I think the ending on the 5th video is pretty LMAO. Good stuff falco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MWXXpj_lnI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgaJLDguuCQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN33SqLL2WU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI2usXy6R48&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJ_jw-G8yY&feature=player_embedded
These matches are fairly campy so be warned. But, I think the ending on the 5th video is pretty LMAO. Good stuff falco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MWXXpj_lnI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgaJLDguuCQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN33SqLL2WU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI2usXy6R48&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJ_jw-G8yY&feature=player_embedded
Breezy
Smash Ace
Lol, Flaco da bess.
Btw guys, hi. I'm Breezy. Used to main Ganon, but recently decided I wanted to win more money than I spend so I picked up the bird. Going to MAS in IL this weekend, and it'll be my first bigger tourney using Flaco. Hope to see some of you there (Arty <_<)
Btw guys, hi. I'm Breezy. Used to main Ganon, but recently decided I wanted to win more money than I spend so I picked up the bird. Going to MAS in IL this weekend, and it'll be my first bigger tourney using Flaco. Hope to see some of you there (Arty <_<)
Arty
Smash Lord
You gonna stick to Ganon against Icies though right 