The 2006-2008 Tier list

[Oskurito]

Marth uthrow chaingrabs fox and falco until 60-low70%, where he finishes it off with a tippered fsmash. There may certain precise ranges where fox and falco can DI up and shine marth before they can grab. If someone could clear this up and give exact %'s, that'd be amazing.

You failed.

I believe fox can get out of marth's cg at very early percentages(I did it at 0-5% or so) if marth doesn't pivot grab, if he does he can cg fox up to 80% or so and kill with pivot tipper, etc. but most marths will prefer to combo you out of his cg with uptilts or double fairs, or ken combo,meh.. lame and cheap stuff(expect that at 40% or so), same goes for falco(I guess).

 

[Paingel]

So basically.. If I found an awesome way to counter Fox and Falco with Mewtwo, then suddenly Mewtwo would be a lot higher up in the tier list than he is now?

Sweet. Sounds easy.

Whaaaat? Why is everyone laughing at me? ; . ;

 

[Brookman]

Omfg @ Deluge Of Ignorance

 

[BigRick]

This thread came back to life... NOOOOO!

*loads shotgun*

 

[Flarefox]

You failed.

I believe fox can get out of marth's cg at very early percentages(I did it at 0-5% or so) if marth doesn't pivot grab, if he does he can cg fox up to 80% or so and kill with pivot tipper, etc. but most marths will prefer to combo you out of his cg with uptilts or double fairs, or ken combo,meh.. lame and cheap stuff(expect that at 40% or so), same goes for falco(I guess).

That's why a lot of Marths will fthrow->fthrow->upthrow chain against fox and falco starting at 0%. The spacies don't fall over from Marth's first two fthrows from 0%. I believe they can roll out of it or shine if they're fast enough, however.

Since noone has given the specifics, and all that seems to be coming out of this discussion is a deluge of ignorance and wiser people snickering over our shoulders but not helping, -> here.

 

[estion11]

zomg i had to shake this thread off before reading due to n00b infestation, but to me this tier list seems accurate. Yay for ice climbers being moved up! My only objection to the tier list (even though i know there is obviously just reason for it) is why Dr. Mario always ranks above Mario. In my experience Dr Mario increased power does not make up for his lack of speed in being compared to mario. Can someone enlighten me as to why this is and yes im aware he can cancel his up b. (im gonna start playing the doc more though and ill probably answer my own question)


...ps yay for fox's god tier reign ending in brawl

 

[Flarefox]

zomg i had to shake this thread off before reading due to n00b infestation,

but to me this tier list seems accurate. Yay for ice climbers being moved up! My only objection to the tier list (even though i know there is obviously just reason for it) is why Dr. Mario always ranks above Mario. In my experience Dr Mario increased power does not make up for his lack of speed in being compared to mario. Can someone enlighten me as to why this is and yes im aware he can cancel his up b. (im gonna start playing the doc more though and ill probably answer my own question)

Don't feel obligated to first mention that this is a "n00b infestation" before you post your requests. That's just silly.

Anyway, it's not just Dr. Mario's increase in power that can give him an edge over Mario. Most people would tell you that Dr. Mario's approach game is much stronger than Mario's because of pills and his superior fair.

Dr. Mario and Mario are about even in the tier list. It's not like Dr. Mario is a waaaay better character than Mario just because he is currently 2 ranks higher.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Pichu does have nice smash attacks, but I don't see any other strengths for the poor little thing.

He also has surprisingly powerful aerials (stronger than Mewtwo) and a great juggling game on fastfallers. Since he's not a huge target, it's easy to be evasive. He's much faster moving around as well.

He damages himself and doesn't live very long due to his light weight.

Heard it all before...you really shouldn't be using his self-damage moves too often except for his projectile, and you'd be amazed at what DI can do for the little rat.

Mewtwo's just a huge, floaty target with very few good moves.

 

[slikvik]

zomg i had to shake this thread off before reading due to n00b infestation, but to me this tier list seems accurate. Yay for ice climbers being moved up! My only objection to the tier list (even though i know there is obviously just reason for it) is why Dr. Mario always ranks above Mario. In my experience Dr Mario increased power does not make up for his lack of speed in being compared to mario. Can someone enlighten me as to why this is and yes im aware he can cancel his up b. (im gonna start playing the doc more though and ill probably answer my own question)


...ps yay for fox's god tier reign ending in brawl

you are part of the "noob infestation"

 

[Flarefox]

He also has surprisingly powerful aerials (stronger than Mewtwo) and a great juggling game on fastfallers. Since he's not a huge target, it's easy to be evasive. He's much faster moving around as well.

Heard it all before...you really shouldn't be using his self-damage moves too often except for his projectile, and you'd be amazed at what DI can do for the little rat.

Mewtwo's just a huge, floaty target with very few good moves.

Pichu's vertical combos can destroy fox and falco. I guess I can see pichu as a slightly better character than mewtwo, but mewtwo's evasive game is much more effective than pichu's.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I suppose...Pichu's naturally evasive from the start...since he's so small, most moves don't even connect and sometimes all you have to do is duck under your opponent's range lol. I've never really paid attention to M2's evasive game but I know that up B has crazy movement tricks and mini shadowballs can bog down your opponent.

 

[Brookman]

What the **** were they thinking when they made pichu, mewtwo, kirby, zelda, roy, and whoever else is extremely pathetic?

Honestly. It must have been a practical joke at the nintendo programming offices.

"Hey guys, look at this pathetic character I just programmed, should we put him in and see how many idiots think he's really good cause he has fire?"

 

[TheManaLord]

those who can win:
marth
fox
sheik
falco

those who will sometimes win:
peach
ice climbers
falcon

those will never win but are worth mentioning:
jigglypuff
doc
ganon
samus

dk:
dk

the losers:
rest of cast

 

[Endless Nightmares]

those will never win but are worth mentioning:
jigglypuff
doc
ganon
samus

What do you mean by win? Win tourmanents? Either way, there are plenty of people capable of winning tournaments with those characters. HugS and King quickly come to mind...

 

[Emblem Lord]

Brookman: Need I remind you that Melee was an unfinished game?

 

[Eggm]

Anyways 2008 list should have these top 4 in this order no exceptions.

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco

Pretty sure everyone can agree with this, so lets start discussing the rest of the list.

 

[Brookman]

Brookman: Need I remind you that Melee was an unfinished game?

****ing Brawl.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Brookman: Need I remind you that Melee was an unfinished game?

Best unfinished game I've ever played...

 

[Brookman]

Best unfinished game I've ever played...

It's not much of a contest.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Brookman: Yeah, if Brawl is any indication of what melee would have been like if it had been finished then I'm actually glad it was rushed and unfinished.

I would rather have a broken super competitive fast paced game that is unfinished, then a slow paced game where most characters can't combo for ****, and you live till 200% so games take forever and the game is slower overall.

****ing Brawl.

 

[g-regulate]

falcons moving up baby

 

[Eggm]

He really is you and jiano are too good, lol. I hate falcon, give me another falco, or marth or sheik anyday.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

g-regs moving up baby

*pound* BONUS *pound*

 

[g-regulate]

i think falcons probably as good as peach now, only a tiny bit lower. the age of peach ended like a year ago, the rise of jiggs falcon and marth has arrived!

 

[Emblem Lord]

Rise of Marth?

Hasn't Marth been winning since like 2003 or something?

When has he needed to rise? I thought he was almost always on top regardless of what the list said.

Did I miss something?

 

[TheManaLord]

What do you mean by win? Win tourmanents? Either way, there are plenty of people capable of winning tournaments with those characters. HugS and King quickly come to mind...

Yeah I mean win tournaments at least on occasion, not just random fluke stuff.



And I completely agree with Falcon being almost near Peach, g-reg is totally right. Peaches have definitely rotted out, Falcons are on the rise.

 

[BigRick]

I don't think that Peach has rotted out when you see PC, Cort and Vidjo use her effectivily to get very high rankings at tournies.

 

[Cort]

*rots*


mmmm rotting peaches

 

[Protoguy]

What the **** were they thinking when they made pichu, mewtwo, kirby, zelda, roy, and whoever else is extremely pathetic?

Honestly. It must have been a practical joke at the nintendo programming offices.

"Hey guys, look at this pathetic character I just programmed, should we put him in and see how many idiots think he's really good cause he has fire?"

Sig'd!

I bet that's almost exactly what happened...

 

[BentoBox]

Brookman: Yeah, if Brawl is any indication of what melee would have been like if it had been finished then I'm actually glad it was rushed and unfinished.

I would rather have a broken super competitive fast paced game that is unfinished, then a slow paced game where most characters can't combo for ****, and you live till 200% so games take forever and the game is slower overall.

****ing Brawl.

You haven't played the game, stafoo.

 

[billythegoat]

So it seems rather obvious that we can all agree on having Marth at the top of the tiers, but ,in my opinion, Falco seems to be a tougher opponent then Fox. This is just my opinion though am I completely wrong?

 

[Adi]

You haven't fought good Foxes, or you fight an overabudance of good falcos, or your strategy is weak against falcos. Either one of these ^_^.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

isn't it time to make a new tier list?

 

[KevinM]

Isn't it time for this thread to die?

lol

 

[ZoSo]

i think falcons probably as good as peach now, only a tiny bit lower. the age of peach ended like a year ago, the rise of jiggs falcon and marth has arrived!

Falcon sucks. No johns.

 

[BigRick]

Isn't it time for this thread to die?

lol

It came out of its grave...

So, do you want the gun or the chainsaw?

 

[estion11]

you are part of the "noob infestation"

#@$% im sorry your right that post was very hypocritical of me and i was annoyed at myself after reading it over, but im honestly not a n00b in smash ive just never devoted much time to the doc, i play marth, bowser, mario, and falco and i rank fairly well in tournaments in the city. Please disregard the beginning of my last post ...

 

[Aesir]

Hay Guyz Letz Besh A Gaym Dat Iznt Evn Out Yet

 

[hugglebunny]

Roy Rules Down with Marth

 

[RoyalRook]

Mario has being a very interesting character in Melee, I always felt he should be higher in the tier than pros gave him credit for.