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Texas Tournament Calendar and Scene Revival

Dojo

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I haven’t been in the scene as much as I used to. But I watch you guys all the time. I’m on SWF daily, I watch live streams when you go to nationals, cheer my *** off, and sometimes come and compete with you guys.

Whobo 3 was an amazing experience for me. It had its ups and downs but overall the experience was great and showed me how alive the Texas scene still is. I see a lot of talk about the scene dying. How our regionals used to attract over 100 people. It won’t ever be like that again, and with Allan on the brink of leaving us, we’re stuck in a bad situation. No one person is going to be able to replicate what that man did for us. I didn’t always agree with all of his viewpoints, but nobody can deny he’s done an unbelievable amount for this state. We wouldn’t be half as good without him and his series.

I know I can’t recreate what he did alone. Especially with my location. But I have a few ideas that I’m going to try and get you guys to implement in order to turn this all around.

  • 2010-07-16 ADHT, Nikefest 2.1
  • 2010-07-17 P4 Pee Hole 2, Phase 11
  • 2010-08-21 DMT 1, S.L.U.T. 2
  • 2010-09-25 KoK WHG3, Phase 14, SBRoD1
  • 2010-10-09 DMT 2, Hobo 28
  • 2010-11-20 DMT 3, Turkey Throwdown
  • 2011-01-08 DMT 4, Hobo 30
  • 2011-01-22 Brawl STV4, Monster Arcade, RGV High Roller, Strokeface

This was copied straight from the Power Ranking thread. We’ve had quite a few cases of two or more tournaments in the past year. Four tournaments were ran the same day back in January. That is insane. Had we set that up right, we had a 60-80 man regional right there. Our state isn’t in the least bit dead. We’re just unorganized and won’t communicate with each other.

Now I understand not everybody can travel. Not everybody makes money going to these. And there isn’t the hype there used to be when it comes to this game. With the geographic size of our state, it’s natural for there to be small locals in different areas. But 4 different tournaments on the same day is unreal when we can garner a lot of hype at a regional and possibly even attract a few out of staters regularly. Here’s some ideas.

A. Further payouts.

I know this has been stressed before, but we need to seriously implement this in regionals that get some numbers. Money for the top 6-8 goes a long way for some people. Top 3 is usually locked down if Gnes, Razer, and I attend. Plus Trela and Espy usually cover the rest. Opening up payouts further for others increases chances for different people to get paid as well. It only takes one upset for a chance to win some singles cash for a lot of people. I wouldn’t mind a percentage cut in top 3 for more entrants. Top 3 winners would end up taking about the same anyways. We could possibly further implement this by

  • A Texas Circuit. I’ve talked to Allan about the idea previously and he liked the general outline. Maybe 4-5 events over the span of 8-10 months. Circuit points are built up throughout the year for those who attend along with bonus pot for the Circuit Finals which could result in paying out top 12 or something like that. It would take a lot of organization and everybody would have to help out to get this working but it’d be really exciting.

B. TO organization.

No Texas TO (other than Zac before he quit) hosts as well as Xyro has for us these past few years. San Antonio tourneys are run decent but still not at the caliber that we need. What I recommend is that a number of hosts lined up to help out. Possibly the main hosts from each city. For instance you gather Sync, Nike, *insert Dallas TOs*, etc. together and they all run it together, assuming they attend. Everybody wants to play friendlies, tournament, etc. so having a number of TOs running events in different places around Texas together would provide us a better run tournament experience allowing us to get 3-4 events done in a single day if we organize effectively.

C. Hype Ideas

Hype has deteriorated a lot for Brawl in the past year. I see so much salt about the same winners, same characters, and same thing month after month. I might have some solutions. I thought of a couple of side events that change up the pace of things while still promoting competition among all of us.
Remember that a and b are side events. They won’t conflict with the main two events.
1. Handicapped Teams – Not only singles, but doubles are usually locked down if certain people attend. Gnes/Razer, Trela/Jerm, Zac/Whoever, Dojo/whoever, etc. Well I thought of the idea to handicap the higher level players for a side event. No two players within the top 10-20 (the number is up for debate) can team. This means that each of us will have to team with a lower leveled player for this event. This gives the top players a much harder challenge, and puts lesser players into high caliber matches, not only giving them experience, but giving them all a fair shot at the money.

2. Character Bans – I took this concept from playing League of Legends. It would work the same way. 1221 bans with neither side being able to pick any of the characters. That’s up for a lot of debate but I feel it would work. Here’s an example. ie. Dojo vs Gnes – Coin flip for port. Port chooser gets 2nd ban. I win port. Gnes bans first. Gnes bans MK. Dojo bans Diddy. Dojo bans Falco. Gnes bans*insert character*. Now neither of us may use any of those characters and may double blind pick from there. All other rules apply. This promotes character diversity for every player furthering everybody’s knowledge and understanding of the game and takes MK out of the game for those who despise him while also evening the playing field for those MK mains out there.

3. Amateur Bracket – Concept taken from Pound 5. Those who don’t make it out of pools get their own bracket separate from players who did. Top 3 get small payouts.​

These are just a couple of ideas to help promote competition for everybody and keep the game fresh/new/hype.

These are just a few concepts we can implement into our scene. I’ve been putting a lot of thought into all of this. I love playing this game, and I love our scene. I love watching everybody improve and push forward. We are slowly becoming the best state and best region period and I don’t want to see that drop off.

For now I’m going to implement the Texas Tournament Calendar to organize and inform TOs what’s happening when so we don’t get conflicting schedules. And we’ll move from there if you guys are willing.

Give me your comments/feedback/questions/ideas/etc. and let me know what you think.




PS. Start sending me your tournaments names, dates, links, etc. So I can begin on the calendar. Or if somebody would like to actually to help out and make a graphic one that'd be awesome.
 

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We've got House of Mouse here in nearby San Marcos April 2. We may have a monthly venue in the Austin area now--if so, we're open for a circuit stop.
 

Espy Rose

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If Zigsta can get San Marcos set up, I'd like for SA tournaments to try and use that as well if we were to do a circuit of some sort. It's definitely a great checkpoint for the sister cities.

Also, I was just talking to someone about this earlier today. Texas has a nasty habit of giving us TOO many tournaments to attend.

This kinda thing is something we need.
I'll post a bit more later.
 

Sync.

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Dojo, I'll support this all the way. I like the side events they sound fun.
I planned to extend the payouts already when I start running events (Allan is letting me run HOBO 31 with his supervision of course). But I love this and I think it's a great idea!
 

Reizilla

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Kingsville's open for a circuit spot any time that's not Summer. We're also most likely having a tourney on the 23rd of April. I'll get back at you with confirmation on that.

Charro Punks (RGV gaming organization) is also hosting Omnicon 4 on... whatever day Genesis is on. We're working on getting a big guaranteed pot for that with a low entry fee, which can give a shot to a lot of the mid-level players since the top ones will likely be at Genesis.

For the record RGV high rollers and STV4 were Friday and Saturday, respectively, with pretty much the same people entering both.

People saw the type of stream we can run at Nikefest 3, and I definitely don't mind packing up and taking it elsewhere to provide a high-quality Texas stream for that added hype. And I have microphones now x)
 

Dojo

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If it works well in San Marcos that would possibly be a good circuit spot or maybe even 2. Dependent on if you guys could get housing worked out together. Houston would be another good spot of course. Dallas would as well if we could get the TO's to work out something as well there. Come back Zac!!!

I'm going to try and have the tourney calendar up soon. Been a busy week since school started up again.
 

TheAlpacaMan

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I'm the one in charge of the venue stuff for the San Marcos tourney. I live in a one bed apartment and can house quite a few people if they don't all mind sleeping on the floor or whatever. And Austin is only like 30-40 minutes away depending on where you live, so Austin smashers can house people too. SA is only 45 minutes away so it's the same there.
 

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Only problem with housing would definitely be the issue with Northerners going to SA, back to San Marcos, then back to SA. However, housing for Northerners by Austin would be better, since it more or less saves them the trip.

Southerners would work the same way for San Antonio as Northerners for Austin.

Austin has Alpaca and Zigsta for housing I believe, while we have Tofer and Nike.

If anything, we could give San Marcos a shot. We don't have a time limit, and nothing is concrete, so if it doesn't work, we could always swap between Austin and SA for circuit stops.
 

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I actually live in San Marcos Espy, so i'm only about 2 minutes from the venue. Only thing I see that could get in the way is the venue being a little too small for a tourney that has more than 60 people. We'll see since this is the first time we're using the place.
 

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My favorite side event is Amateur Bracket.

It doesn't really hold up singles and doubles because the players entering it aren't in singles (obv) and usually already out of doubles. You could give them a portion of the setups on the side and have them play out the whole thing at once.

It removes hype from the tourney since there's not nearly as many spectators, but the tourney does run very smooth.

As far as locations for a circuit:

  • Houston
  • Dallas
  • San Antonio
  • Austin
  • Kingsville
  • San Angelo

I mention Kingsville because it's become the best location for others to travel to the RGV. Instead of the border, it's slighty farther northeastern (right next to Corpus). It's a 2 hour drive from San Antonio and I think 4 hours from Austin and Houston. Rei-Gun will be the first to tell you how successful RGV has been getting out of towners since they started hosting there. I HIGHLY recommend Kingsville as a circuit stop if it happens.

I also mention San Angelo. Houston and the RGV are the only places not within a 4 hour drive from your town. I think because it's alot closer to the smashers at El Paso, Lubbock, and Armarillo, it should get a spot.

As Espy mentioned, San Marcos is directly between Austin ans San Antonio. House of Mickey will be there and we could see how successful the tourney is (mainly venue) and if it's worth combining both cities as one big spot.

I like what your doing Dojo. I've always envied the Ohio area because they have AZ as a TO. He's used circuits for a very long time and they seemed so successful from the outside. I always wished for one in Texas, and now that could very well become a reality.

EDIT: I love getting ninja'd with the San Marcos talk.
 

Dojo

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Yeah we're not on a timeline so we'll take it slow with the circuit. If San Marcos doesn't work, and Austin can possibly find a venue in their city we can do two different circuit stops between SA/Austin.

Mostly right now I'm trying to organize our tournament schedule into an actual structure and increase hype again for all classes of players.

@ Nike: I'd actually like to do one here as well. I thought of San Angelo as a spot because of location bringing in El Paso, Amarillo/Lubbock in easier. My main problem is housing. I'm still working on that portion. Once I have that on lock, I'll be good to go.
 

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Make sure to give AZ a shout here or there, Dojo. If anyone knows how to make something like this work near-flawlessly, it would be him. :)
 

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I highly agree with furthering payouts. Makes me feel like there's something that I can work for.
 

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I'm not in the top 10-20

Hey Gnes you wanna team for Handicap teams?
 

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You know when I thought of that idea. You were the first thought to come to my mind. You ***et. You're not invited.
 

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Lol OOS doesn't count either

HEY LEE LETS TEAM
 

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A. Further payouts.

I know this has been stressed before, but we need to seriously implement this in regionals that get some numbers. Money for the top 6-8 goes a long way for some people. Top 3 is usually locked down if Gnes, Razer, and I attend. Plus Trela and Espy usually cover the rest. Opening up payouts further for others increases chances for different people to get paid as well. It only takes one upset for a chance to win some singles cash for a lot of people. I wouldn’t mind a percentage cut in top 3 for more entrants. Top 3 winners would end up taking about the same anyways. We could possibly further implement this by

  • A Texas Circuit. I’ve talked to Allan about the idea previously and he liked the general outline. Maybe 4-5 events over the span of 8-10 months. Circuit points are built up throughout the year for those who attend along with bonus pot for the Circuit Finals which could result in paying out top 12 or something like that. It would take a lot of organization and everybody would have to help out to get this working but it’d be really exciting.
Not much to comment on here. Pretty much agree with everything. Top 8 payouts at regionals would be fantastic, and Circuits with additional bonus pot would go a long way.

We could do something like add a small amount to each tournament's entry fee which could go to helping support the circuit pot at the end of the entire thing. Getting big numbers at each event could only help boost circuit prize money. For example, a single event garnering 30 people with an additional $3 fee would result in $60 being added to the circuit's bonus pot. It'd only add up from there with each additional event. Paying out top 12 or so wouldn't be out of the question if we could do something like that.

Just a single suggestion though. There are a ton of alternatives to this.

B. TO organization.

No Texas TO (other than Zac before he quit) hosts as well as Xyro has for us these past few years. San Antonio tourneys are run decent but still not at the caliber that we need. What I recommend is that a number of hosts lined up to help out. Possibly the main hosts from each city. For instance you gather Sync, Nike, *insert Dallas TOs*, etc. together and they all run it together, assuming they attend. Everybody wants to play friendlies, tournament, etc. so having a number of TOs running events in different places around Texas together would provide us a better run tournament experience allowing us to get 3-4 events done in a single day if we organize effectively.
You mean pretty much, to create a small committee of members who would help run events in consistently throughout the months at any event they attend, correct? Sounds like a great idea if we could get this moving along.

It would be very effective in that you could assign each member a certain duty (one collects fees, one works the TIO program, or monitoring matches and shutting down any friendlies or whatnot that occur during events), but you'd have to be very careful about that. The more people who have in that group, the riskier it is when it comes to communication.

One member per city would work, but we'd have to ensure that they'd be able to consistently attend events to help out, or have someone else go in their place.

Unless of course, I'm reading into this thing completely backwards.

C. Hype Ideas
I love all of these ideas. Additionally, you have things like RCRS, Reverse Main, Crews, and even that Waseda style doubles that Zigsta's House of Mouse may be doing.

Then, if all else, you still have Mid-Tier and Low Tier has crutches.

PS. Start sending me your tournaments names, dates, links, etc. So I can begin on the calendar. Or if somebody would like to actually to help out and make a graphic one that'd be awesome.
Here's SA's event calender.

[collapse="March"]March 26th: Mizumi-con (San Antonio)[/collapse]

[collapse="April"]April 1st: St. Mary's Brawl Tournament (San Antonio)[/collapse]
 

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I like the idea of amateur bracket. People who get last and next to last get in, with the people placing next to last getting a bye? Or something like that? It would be fun. Especially coming from someone who's always out in the first few rounds anyway, lol.
 

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San Antonio does Amateur Bracket here and there (call them Redemption). It's always been pretty successful in my opinion.
 

Maharba the Mystic

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gotta say crews would be the sweetest of hype ideas if we get a circuit going imo.

EDIT:
.... i just realized that im not actually in a crew out here.....

10sigh
 

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next Phase will be either April 23rd or April 30th since Hobo is the 9th.. I will post when i have it figured out since on the 23rd I can't get to venue til like 12ish.
 

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Handicapped teams sound fun, but random teams would be better. Just randomly pairing up players is a lot easier than trying to figure who is allowed to team with who.

Also we need more of reverse mains in tournaments. :)
 

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This all looks really cool. I'd love to see some creative ideas shake things up and make the whole scene more interesting and hyped. Wish I could help in some way.
 

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Handicapped teams seems like a good idea to me. I've always shied away from teams because I'm too afraid of disappointing my teammate or feel I'll just run into Gnes/Razer 2nd round and just blow my $5 or something.

Oh, and crews. Crews would be SEXY.
 

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As for the points system, would it on be a select few "circuit events?" Or would it be all events, perhaps weighed differently. Uppercut Circuit (the TX SF/MvC3 circuit), I believe, has a weight system, where if your tournament has X amount of players, the top 12 or so spots get so many points, with the max points being awarded if the tourney has 32 entrants or something. Perhaps we could incorporate the PR in some way to determine the weight of each tournament.

Just thoughts. Also, I like the Wasadahaba style teams, just not for entire sets. Unless it's single elimination (obvious flaws) or very few entrants. Maybe random handicap wasabadaba teams. x) haha
 

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for random/handicap teams. Have the better half of the entrants draw for a teammate from the lower half. If this is done towards the end, you could base it off the day's tournament results. If not, just base it on common sense + power ranking.
 

Dojo

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I'm not in the top 10-20

Hey Gnes you wanna team for Handicap teams?
Lol OOS doesn't count either

HEY LEE LETS TEAM
Everything has obvious flaws that would come up for debate. We'd find a way to determine who qualifies. It honestly wouldn't be hard.


Not much to comment on here. Pretty much agree with everything. Top 8 payouts at regionals would be fantastic, and Circuits with additional bonus pot would go a long way.

We could do something like add a small amount to each tournament's entry fee which could go to helping support the circuit pot at the end of the entire thing. Getting big numbers at each event could only help boost circuit prize money. For example, a single event garnering 30 people with an additional $3 fee would result in $60 being added to the circuit's bonus pot. It'd only add up from there with each additional event. Paying out top 12 or so wouldn't be out of the question if we could do something like that.

Just a single suggestion though. There are a ton of alternatives to this.
This was along the lines of my thinking and a strong possibility of how we can get the bonus pot gathered.

You mean pretty much, to create a small committee of members who would help run events in consistently throughout the months at any event they attend, correct? Sounds like a great idea if we could get this moving along.

It would be very effective in that you could assign each member a certain duty (one collects fees, one works the TIO program, or monitoring matches and shutting down any friendlies or whatnot that occur during events), but you'd have to be very careful about that. The more people who have in that group, the riskier it is when it comes to communication.

One member per city would work, but we'd have to ensure that they'd be able to consistently attend events to help out, or have someone else go in their place.

Unless of course, I'm reading into this thing completely backwards.
Exactly. Some can even switch roles. Obviously somebody kind of fill in somebody else's role for a second while that one plays matches, goes to eat, etc.

I was also thinking one member per city as well. As long as we're in between 3-5 I think it would work well.

I love all of these ideas. Additionally, you have things like RCRS, Reverse Main, Crews, and even that Waseda style doubles that Zigsta's House of Mouse may be doing.

Then, if all else, you still have Mid-Tier and Low Tier has crutches.
Exactly. I just feel that straying away from Low Tiers every tournament can do us some good. People enjoy new stuff, and if we can still make it competitive it should work.

Here's SA's event calender.

[collapse="March"]March 26th: Mizumi-con (San Antonio)[/collapse]

[collapse="April"]April 1st: St. Mary's Brawl Tournament (San Antonio)[/collapse]
Thanks I'll be getting on to this soon.

Handicapped teams, eh? Dare I dust off an old favorite...?
Doooo itttt.

As for the points system, would it on be a select few "circuit events?" Or would it be all events, perhaps weighed differently. Uppercut Circuit (the TX SF/MvC3 circuit), I believe, has a weight system, where if your tournament has X amount of players, the top 12 or so spots get so many points, with the max points being awarded if the tourney has 32 entrants or something. Perhaps we could incorporate the PR in some way to determine the weight of each tournament.

Just thoughts. Also, I like the Wasadahaba style teams, just not for entire sets. Unless it's single elimination (obvious flaws) or very few entrants. Maybe random handicap wasabadaba teams. x) haha
I would say that we could probably go based on the actual circuit event. That way it's not an over-hassle to calculate every person's points at different tournaments. This also encourages people to REALLY want to attend these for those points.

Dojo is just <3
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EDIT:
@ Problem: Cake actually just suggested this to me as well. It's a really viable way of doing it. It might be how that works.
 
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