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Texas Power Rankings: So Incredibly Dead!

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LeeHarris

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Actually I've used Fox, DeDeDe, Pit, Falco, Wolf, Marth, Rob and even Gannondorf in tournaments before. The only one that I didn't win with was Marth because I'm some kind of awful with him. I even came back from being down 3 stocks to 1 with Gannon against a dude's Olimar, and the dude's not a bad player.
I'm sure you used those, but I doubt you used them against great players unless you were already winning the set and were confident you were going to wrap it up. I use every character in the game in tournament, but I only use a few if I'm playing someone good.

Yes, I use Metaknight. He is my best character. When I'm in a tournament against good players I always give them my best. Being punished for playing people at my best is ludicrous. You have never played against me, period; how could you know anything about what skill I have?
You aren't being punished. You didn't do too hot in cross-regional tourneys and you played only MK. It's simply an observation that factored into my decision.

Also, in regards to that tournament, take a look at the brackets and take a look at who I lost to. RoyR and Hylian. Against both of them it came down to the last stock with a very high percent and both of them have much more knowledge of the matchup than I do. RoyR was the first Marth I'd played against in a Brawl tournament and the first good Marth I'd played against in Brawl. That was one rough 9th place finish.
Everyone in that entire tournament had a hard bracket. You're complaining that you had to play against RoyR and Hylian? They have done well at cross regional tournaments, and Hylian even placed 9th at a national level tournament. You lost to them, and you are lower on the list. It's not a coincidence! And you really think the matchup was a disadvantage for you? MK is the best character in the game and any good player will agree on that. Saying that they are more experienced in the matchup while you have a clearly superior character is just johns.

And about Melee1 placing better than me in tournaments: you're pretty wrong about that one dude. He's placed better than me in 3 tournaments that I can recall where we both entered. We've played in like 25 or some nonsense like that. Not to discredit him, because he is a very good player, just saying that your statement about him placing in tournaments better than I do is generally incorrect. In fact, look on the first page of his tournament thread and you'll see my name all over it. It has a 1 next to it usually.
You have yet to prove that you have the level of skill you claim because you have not performed as well outside of Dallas. Melee1 took the biggest cross-regional tournament, and placed 2nd in a neighboring state where CGs were banned. You can do well all you want in Dallas, but Dallas really doesn't have any great players with the exception of you and Melee1.

So now that the rant is out of the way I'm going to just say that I'm not holding a grudge against anyone. I've met everyone on the panel and you're all pretty cool guys, I just don't feel like I'm being given enough credit. End of discussion.
I think you need to chill ;) It's just a power rankings list! I've already said it's too early because tournament data is flaky and conflicts with each other (but no one listens to me unless I'm naked). You really may be the superior player, but I take cross-regional and national level tournaments more seriously than ones strictly involving one city. No one here is saying you're a bad player, and you should feel warm and fuzzy to even be on the list. The fact that everyone insisted you be on when I didn't believe so should show you that everyone is confident in your skills.
 

bluezaft

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Also, all I've seen you play so far is MK, and I think MK is by far the easiest character to be good with. I've seen Dojo bust out Falco, Wobbles bust out Wario, etc, but I've only seen you play MK (in tourney). I think everyone on that list would beat you.
If you actually took that into account when making your list, you're an idiot.
 

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If you actually took that into account when making your list, you're an idiot.
Although it was a small factor, yes I did take it into account. In the end, I placed Infinity in the same place everyone else did after hearing their discussion over him. Why are so angsty all the time? I know you're an emo douche, but I'm sure you'd feel better if you didn't stare at your baby sized weiner all day and cry.
 

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Power rankings measure tournament placing and that's all, not inherent skill or whatever you're trying to get at. Nobody gets bonus points for playing low tier characters. Did anybody actually explain to Lee what power rankings are?
 

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Come on now, LeeHarris, I know it is always a hard position to be in to defend a Power Ranking List but no one should ever be punished for playing a certain character in regards to their placement, or lack of placement, on a PR list. There is no requirement to play a certain amount of characters to make a PR list, you should know that.


And diminishing your argument to personal stabs and immature name calling is not giving this list the professional credibility it should have, especially for an out-of-stater like myself looking in on another states activity.

I know you're an emo douche, but I'm sure you'd feel better if you didn't stare at your baby sized weiner all day and cry.
Seriously?
 

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Power rankings measure tournament placing and that's all, not inherent skill or whatever you're trying to get at. Nobody gets bonus points for playing low tier characters. Did anybody actually explain to Lee what power rankings are?
Seeing as how you weren't on the panelist, it wasn't your decision to base how the power rankings would go, was it?
 

LeeHarris

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Power rankings measure tournament placing and that's all, not inherent skill or whatever you're trying to get at. Nobody gets bonus points for playing low tier characters. Did anybody actually explain to Lee what power rankings are?
It's a good thing that bluezaft explained this to me. I'm so happy that someone who contributes nothing to anything can come in here and tell me all about what I should do. I know that you like to pretend like you know what's going on, but why don't you squeeze back into your little sister's jeans and go make out with your boyfriend at a Stabby Rip Stab Stab emo concert.

Even if things were done differently back in the day, all lists now (tier, PR, etc) are a mix of tournament data, potential, and observations.

Come on now, LeeHarris, I know it is always a hard position to be in to defend a Power Ranking List but no one should ever be punished for playing a certain character in regards to their placement, or lack of placement, on a PR list. There is no requirement to play a certain amount of characters to make a PR list, you should know that.
He's not punished, think of it more as I think people like Hylian have more potential because they have a greater diversity of characters with unique abilities. I don't know if I am explaining myself correctly, but either way he ended up in the exact same spot on my list as was every other panelist.

And diminishing your argument to personal stabs and immature name calling is not giving this list the professional credibility it should have, especially for an out-of-stater like myself looking in on another states activity.
I will have a reasonable debate with anyone for any period of time necessary. I am a very cool guy and I never attack anyone. When angsty people like bluezaft act like a **** to me, however, I don't just ignore it. I post a LOT on SB (mostly in the SBR) and my posts are intelligent and thought out.

And plus, my argument didn't diminish to name calling and personal stabs. I presented my arguments and then simply responded to the first personal attack from bluezaft.
 

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To be fair, Lee Harris did place infinity pretty much the same as the rest of us. Reguardless of what he is saying, his list matched our discussion for the most part, so he obviously got something from the discussion.
 

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Can I have something to drink to. Let's all goto Subway and buy Hi-C! =D
Nice, someone else likes Hi-C too. I'm glad I'm not alone.
 

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I wants to go to Dallas but my ****ing car had to lock up on me...:mad: I only live an hour and a half away to. I crave the tournament scene....Tyler is just to lame..the only thing we have is Magic: The Gathering.
 

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K, so since G-kon got cancelled, i say we redo these rankings after HOBO 10, it looks like all of the top 10 will be there and we can see how they all stack up now.

Obviously people have gotten better, and many upsets have occured, and i feel like it's my duty to change this thing lol
 

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Actually from what I've heard melee1 isn't coming and Dojo's ride might ghey out on him... =/
But I agree we should probly work on another list after HOBO10.
 

SmileyStation

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Wheres the part of the thread that shows how the points are distributed for the power rankings? I mustve skipped it somewhere. Or if any1 can just post it for me, that would be super too. ^_^
 

Dojo

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Basically...

The 5 panelist members made their own list of top 10.

1st place gets 10 points
2nd place gets 9 points
3rd gets 8
etc

Then you add up the points each player was scored from each individual list. And there you go.
 

Dojo

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Yeah it goes to 10 with 10th place only getting 1. I'm not 100% sure on how it all works out. But that's probably a general basis of what they did.
 

Dojo

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Lmao. You dont know how many times I've been asked that.

About 4 hours west of yall. And any other decent smash community.
 

SmileyStation

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Hey guys i thought of a pretty good idea. I was thinking of making a Texas video archive thread. It could be a compilation of all the tourney vids recorded at big tourneys in texas. Ill definitely be attending alot more tourneys now that i have more free time from work. So i can also help record alot of matches and upload em too. What do you guys think about it? That way there can be some visual proof on how good every1 is in texas. :)
 
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