Texas Power Rankings: So Incredibly Dead!

[Infinitysmash]

Roy_R is the best in Texas.

Easily.

And he still lost to Melee1 in the winners finals and grand finals of the same tournament. Melee1 also got you in that tournament, but the same problem is that both you and RoyR got me in that same tournament but Melee1 has yet to beat me in tournament play and my matches with both you and RoyR were SUPER close.

We're all way too close in skill to speculate who is better than who right now. What you guys should do as a panel is come up with a point system for tournament placement with larger turnouts rewarding more points and smaller turnouts giving fewer points. This would give us a more concrete way of saying "so and so is the best."

 

[takeurlife2]

And he still lost to Melee1 in the winners finals and grand finals of the same tournament. Melee1 also got you in that tournament, but the same problem is that both you and RoyR got me in that same tournament but Melee1 has yet to beat me in tournament play and my matches with both you and RoyR were SUPER close.

We're all way too close in skill to speculate who is better than who right now. What you guys should do as a panel is come up with a point system for tournament placement with larger turnouts rewarding more points and smaller turnouts giving fewer points. This would give us a more concrete way of saying "so and so is the best."

to be fair, they were splitting the pot, so roy chose falcon in finals lol.

 

[Dojo]

Haha this is gonna be interesting.

 

[Infinitysmash]

to be fair, they were splitting the pot, so roy chose falcon in finals lol.

True, but he still lost in the winners finals when he was trying his best.

 

[Fogo]

tis true, we'll have a system figured out soon.


could you guys (panelists) all get on aim tomorrow? (friday)


preferrably around 2 or 3 and we can make a chat room to discuss our plan of action

 

[LeeHarris]

Well, I probably will be asleep until 2, then I'll probably be drunk later (4th of July!). Ye olde shop of doom is closed tomorrow, so no work for me.

I'll try to be on though.

 

[Hylian]

And he still lost to Melee1 in the winners finals and grand finals of the same tournament. Melee1 also got you in that tournament, but the same problem is that both you and RoyR got me in that same tournament but Melee1 has yet to beat me in tournament play and my matches with both you and RoyR were SUPER close.

We're all way too close in skill to speculate who is better than who right now. What you guys should do as a panel is come up with a point system for tournament placement with larger turnouts rewarding more points and smaller turnouts giving fewer points. This would give us a more concrete way of saying "so and so is the best."

It doesn't matter if Roy_R lost to Melee1 in every tournament he attended. That would not mean Melee1 is better. Melee1 had to play 0 MKs in his bracket. If I would of sent him to losers he would of had to beat 3 MKs including you and Stiltz. Also, it's not like melee1 destroyed roy_R. They went to the last match in winners. Also, roy took a match off him with FALCON. A character roy only jokes around with.

Being able to beat one person does not make you better then them.




As far as the panel stuff: Can we find a forum to post on? I post from my wii. I don't currently have a computer. I have some forums that we could use >_>.

 

[Infinitysmash]

It doesn't matter if Roy_R lost to Melee1 in every tournament he attended. That would not mean Melee1 is better. Melee1 had to play 0 MKs in his bracket. If I would of sent him to losers he would of had to beat 3 MKs including you and Stiltz. Also, it's not like melee1 destroyed roy_R. They went to the last match in winners. Also, roy took a match off him with FALCON. A character roy only jokes around with.

Being able to beat one person does not make you better then them.




As far as the panel stuff: Can we find a forum to post on? I post from my wii. I don't currently have a computer. I have some forums that we could use >_>.

You're making what I said sound worse than I actually meant it to be, lol. I didn't mean he destroyed him, all I mean is that he won.

The whole point of my post was to suggest a point system for tournament results, not to imply someone was better than someone else. I'm not on the panel and to be honest I don't really want to be on it so it wouldn't make any sense for me to suggest someone was better than someone else. That's for you guys to decide; I was just suggesting applying a scalable point system to reflect tournament results and help show where people stood using a concrete value rather than spending hours arguing "I think so-and-so is better that whatshisface" without any real evidence. Facts > speculation any day when it comes to ranking things like this.

 

[Fogo]

As far as the panel stuff: Can we find a forum to post on? I post from my wii. I don't currently have a computer. I have some forums that we could use >_>.

lead the way sir.

 

[Melee1]

I agree with infinity. The point system will be good because I have beaten hylian, sethalon, and Royr and several other ranked players in tournament. I cant beat infinity in tournament, and I dont know what the rankings should be, because infinity lost to hylian and roy r. The point sytem will work well because it will show a players overall skill against everyone and not just one player.

 

[Dr Drew the Dragon]

The problem for a straight point system is that it doesn't take into account any tourney specifics.

Example, Players A and B tie for 5th in a major tournament. Player A beat 3 top players as well as Player B in the winners bracket. Player B only beat 1 top player. Should they both get the same points for placing the same just because one had an easier bracket?

It's about who you beat more than where you place. Traditionally you make a list by looking at tournament brackets and seeing who beat who, looking at upsets and the like. Then you gauge overall performance across multiple tournaments, which hopefully weeds out any "flukes". Consistency is usually the most important stat in any ranking.

 

[Infinitysmash]

The problem for a straight point system is that it doesn't take into account any tourney specifics.

Example, Players A and B tie for 5th in a major tournament. Player A beat 3 top players as well as Player B in the winners bracket. Player B only beat 1 top player. Should they both get the same points for placing the same just because one had an easier bracket?

Of course not. That's completely unfair to the player who had to work harder, which is why I suggested creating a scalable point system.

In fact, have two different point systems and add them together to get the total number of points rewarded from a tournament. One set of numbers for actual ranking in the tournament and another set of numbers for who beat who. Points for tournament win + points for who you beat on the way = total number of points rewarded for tournament placement. Total number of points from tournament + old power ranking score = new power ranking score. This way hard work gets rewarded on both fronts (plus it rewards people who travel more often than others as well). Problem solved, now it's just a matter of coming up with how many points who and what is worth.

 

[Dojo]

Of course not. That's completely unfair to the player who had to work harder, which is why I suggested creating a scalable point system.

In fact, have two different point systems and add them together to get the total number of points rewarded from a tournament. One set of numbers for actual ranking in the tournament and another set of numbers for who beat who. Points for tournament win + points for who you beat on the way = total number of points rewarded for tournament placement. Total number of points from tournament + old power ranking score = new power ranking score. This way hard work gets rewarded on both fronts (plus it rewards people who travel more often than others as well). Problem solved, now it's just a matter of coming up with how many points who and what is worth.

RoyR Sethlon Melee1 Hylian Wobbles - 10 points
Stiltz Pozer 8 points
Infinity Dojo DMK 6 points
Sandtrap 3000 Trex 4 points
others - 2 points?


Idk top guys usually place 1st and 2nd at the most recent tourneys
2nd row is usually 3-5 place
3rd is like 7-10
4th 11-14
Idk the crowd that well and its not a good list but something to work off of or something?
Idk just trying to help, I'll shut up.

 

[Fogo]

Wow, infinity and dojo are trying to do all the work for us lol

Thanks for the help guys :-]

Hylian, forum?

 

[Hylian]

Working on it. Kinda busy atm.

 

[Fogo]

Working on it. Kinda busy atm.

k, just let me know whenever you're free.

 

[Melee1]

We should start the power rankings.

 

[Hylian]

I think we we can make a decent power ranks started?

I think you should learn how to type.

And "we" does not include you, so it's irrelevant anyways. We will get started when I come back from FAST.

 

[Fogo]

haha respect his authority

 

[Melee1]

I think you should learn how to type.

And "we" does not include you, so it's irrelevant anyways. We will get started when I come back from FAST.

What I mean by we is ,im in the top 10. I was just wondering when it was going to get started.

 

[Hylian]

What I mean by we is ,im in the top 10. I was just wondering when it was going to get started.

It's obvious you just want us to start because you just want to see your name on the list...and that really turns me off to starting immediately. No other players are crying out for us to start because they are placing well. We will start when it's convenient for us, not you.

 

[LeeHarris]

I like Panda Express a lot.

 

[Dojo]

Pineapple express is better.

 

[Infinitysmash]

My name is Infinity and I approve this message.

 

[Jumpman23]

trying to decide how many points you get for beating someone is the exact same as making the power ranking itself..... how do you decide what players are worth more points when they are beaten? it would be like making 2 sets of power rankings.... i personally think they make no sense because not everyone even plays each other, just like in sports, power rankings have no bearing on the turnout, it's whoever plays better that day (ex. playoffs), doesn't matter who shows a better resume, just who shows a better game that day..... In the end, whoever wins the tourney is the best b/c he brought his A-game and a top spot on a list is like being mvp of the regular season but losing in the finals, worthless!!! My 2 cents

 

[Fogo]

Umm, this would be like their resume, and yes it does matter >_>

the list fluctuates depending on tournament results, the exact thing that should be the core basis of any claim of skill.

you're not just going to waltz into the scene and say you're the best after placing top 10 at one tournament, you have to earn it.


also, better players get more points period, and no, that's not like another PR list because there are ranks with multiple people in them who all give the same points for being beaten.

it's nothing like being an mvp in regular season and losing in the finals, it's a Power ranking list, not the NBA.

Take your pennies elsewhere.

 

[Jumpman23]

I will agree with you that no one can just walk in and claim to be the greatest, but what would really be the purpose of having a list of the top 10 in texas when all 10 could probably beat each other on any given day, they've established that they have good ability.... now, that isn't to say they are all on the same exact level, but let's just analyze what the power rankings do.... they place players in order of skill am i right? now let's say that the difference between the player's skill is very significant, once you go past, for example, the top 5, the rank loses its credibility, because the player in that position is not capable of winning a tourney that players 1-4 are also in. now remember, that's if there's a significant difference in skill. ok, so if the difference is not so significant, then the power rankings lose all credibility once again. they will not paint a reliable picture of the player's strengths because as you said, it will fluctuate so much that there will still continue to be the disputes over who is better, thus making the list redundant..... i think you should just pride yourself on winning a tourney and if you don't then you try at the next one because winning is the goal in the end..... but if you guys feel like you need to make this then go ahead, just giving my opinion, not meant to be turned into an argument so please don't just sh*t on my cents, plz

 

[Fogo]

it's a representation of texas's top ten and it's not based on who's better than who, it's based on past tournament results.

anybody could beat anybody on any given day, it's a matter of circumstance, and it does not make the list invalid in anyway.


try to understand, the list is not a guaranteed victory at every tournament that #1 goes too, just a representation of past performance.

 

[JonBeBonanza]

So what about non "major" cities? We host tourneys to. There was one this sat and DMK took first. With the exception of the other placers being from kingsville, i was the only one from Corpus Christi, everyone else there, from Corpus, were scrubs. But that's not to say that i'm the only smasher from Corpus Christi, just that some friends couldn't attend.

So what is to be done there? I mean we'll be attending tourneys soon, maybe the one on the 26th, but for sure that Txgamers one in November.

 

[Dr Mario Kart]

I definitely am for a system that rewards road time over talent

 

[Dojo]

I definitely am for a system that rewards road time over talent

Too bad I have neither.

 

[Jumpman23]

in that case let's not call them power rankings.... if it just shows past performance then it should be called a Texas Stats sheet rather than power rankings which are meant to show which player is more powerful. but like i said not here to argue so let's just drop it, i don't wanna have any enemies

since you guys are gonna go ahead and do it i do have a suggestion, i'm not exactly sure how you're planning it out but just plz don't make it a cumulative points system because not everyone can attend every tourney and some ppl will have to miss b/c of some circumstance, therefore they will fall in the ranks..... an average would work better because dallas might have more tournies than say austin.... all you would do is just have a minimum requirement for # of tournies attended.... just a suggestion

 

[LeeHarris]

i have a system. we'll just talk about who we think the top 10 are based off our experiences, vote on it, then put it up in no order. we could also possibly do honorable mentions or "upcoming players" or some shiet.

and then we'll celebrate by eating panda express and punching babies.

 

[Dr Mario Kart]

Now that you menion it, I really like the no order idea, because there are a few of these weird situations were A>B, B>C, C>A, that I dont really know what to do with if it came to ranking them.

 

[Fogo]

exactly, thank you lee.


and past does show power, usually the guy who won the last 20 tournaments is gonna win or atleast do good at the next.


and if you win once that doesn't mean you're totally better, you have to earn it. like i said the list is not a guaranteed win.

 

[mydadsacop123]

COOL MELEE1 IS THIRD IN DALLAS??? He crushed me when i was ness but i beat him once as game n crotch and almost a 2nd time! but i keyed off the edge :[ ...
Also jumpman when did u switch 2 sheek i thought u liked wolf??

 

[Jumpman23]

I am another Jumpman.... I actually had the name 1st

 

[Fogo]

he's been called that since the 64 version

 

[Jumpman23]

either way, i'm another guy.... hey fogo, am i welcome at your bi-weeklies? what would i have to bring?

 

[Fogo]

yeah you're more than welcome, either bring a setup or a dollar