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mewtwo is like 6'7"
that, and he is super-intelligent...
that should be a factor, no?
that, and he is super-intelligent...
that should be a factor, no?
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Intelligence?mewtwo is like 6'7"
that, and he is super-intelligent...
that should be a factor, no?
That may be true, but my point still stands with Mewtwo. Just because he's smart doesn't make him a winner.The deadliest warrior is in no way shape or form an accurate representation of who would win, I've said this before, they just account for weapons and armor where in reality, tactics is what defines who really wins, and certain combatants have tactical mindsets that hard counter others.
For example, ninja>spartan. Spartans were trained to fight in formation, they're relatively limited as individuals, and have absolutely no experience dealing with foes whose primary weapon is stealth, if it's possible for the ninja to kill him, then the ninja will kill him the majority of the time, taking advantage of his vulnerability to stealth, and failing that, his relative unfamiliarity with 1v1 combat.
Basically, weapons/armor only show how much of an advantage you have prior to incorporating tactics, the only exception being in a case where the opponent cannot kill you.
Depends on the circumstances, against opponents that don't have overwhelming inherent advantages, it would definitely make things more even.That may be true, but my point still stands with Mewtwo. Just because he's smart doesn't make him a winner.
Mewtwo has no overwhelming advantage against anyone except Kirby/Jiggs. Nothing strikes as really lethal about him without his powers. he only has size on his side. But how does he kill something that is about his size (Yoshi), someting that will harm him physically (Sonic), and something with lethal projectiles (Tink)?Depends on the circumstances, against opponents that don't have overwhelming inherent advantages, it would definitely make things more even.
You're really gonna wanna read what I said again, I was talking about characters that outclass mewtwo in terms of physical advantages (ex. weapons) but not overwhelmingly so.Mewtwo has no overwhelming advantage against anyone except Kirby/Jiggs. Nothing strikes as really lethal about him without his powers. he only has size on his side. But how does he kill something that is about his size (Yoshi), someting that will harm him physically (Sonic), and something with lethal projectiles (Tink)?
But M2 is fail anyway......anyone with weapons can just about take him out....he has poor balance and has to kill with his weight or tail. The inability to be lethal is what I'm basing this off of. His intelligence is a boost for him, but because he has nothing lethal to use and he has poor balance makes him kinda hapazardly smart which is why he relies on his powers more than his body. I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I'm keepig in mind the capabilities of M2.You're really gonna wanna read what I said again, I was talking about characters that outclass mewtwo in terms of physical advantages (ex. weapons) but not overwhelmingly so.
But M2 is fail anyway......anyone with weapons can just about take him out....he has poor balance and has to kill with his weight or tail. The inability to be lethal is what I'm basing this off of. His intelligence is a boost for him, but because he has nothing lethal to use and he has poor balance makes him kinda hapazardly smart which is why he relies on his powers more than his body. I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I'm keepig in mind the capabilities of M2.
M2 has them...
Yea I remember you're a Dr. Who fan lol.
Firstly, had to do that because... Doctor Who fan, that hasn't been a Dalek weakness since the early old series.
But, it does bring up a point, limitations can be beaten with resources, and being the most intelligent being on the battlefield means mental resources, which is a substantial advantage.
In terms of physical ability, he seems about human level strength, and the tail is useful, which means he can definitely kill, just needs an opportunity.
So what can he do? Manipulate the environment, lay traps, etc. I know we rarely talk about environmental factors, but it's necessary here because the fight would not take place on FD, perfectly flat locations are incredibly rare, and with the advantage for tactical knowledge mewtwo would be able to trap and kill things that normal would beat him in a straight-out fight.
Obviously, this doesn't apply for thing he cannot kill physically, no help against Bowser or Samus, but for most everyone else... especially against the stupider ones.
The thing is, Roy can throw rocks at DK too, Roy, being a human, is more intelligent and therefore better at general manipulation of the environment. DK only has the advantage in environmental manipulation in a true home field, and that's important to note.Yea I remember you're a Dr. Who fan lol.
But using the envoirment is kinda iffy in a sense. From what I'm getting, you're saying lay traps in nature and such. If that were the case, then can't DK throw rocks at Roy? Can Yoshi masticate mud and spit it at Luigi? Can't Diddy swing from trees and lurk Lucario? Using the enviorment opens up a ton of variables that really cannot be controlled.
This.@environment & tactics:
just going off a bit here, but this is -why- they stick to just weapons and "x" factors on The Deadlies Warrior.
both opponents can use tactics and environment equally, whats to say a spartan couldnt sneak up on a ninja while the ninja is sleeping and kill him with his own ninja stars? (mind = blown)
problem here is that it is way too versatile of a thing to take into account, what is preventing the other party from using the environment in the way you described the 1st one did? (barring obvious stuff like DK being able to like uproot a small tree to use as a club or w/e) Or, as I said above, even if one character is more likley too, what prevents the 1st guy from assassination?
So what we are left with is the measureable things: weapons, abilities and design. Environment is assumed "neutral", with no envirnmental advantages or disadvantages to either party. It is also assumed that their tactics are to simply fight to the death once they encounter each other, as it is deadliest brawler, not deadliest Assassin, etc, etc.
Mewtwo has higher mobility, power and probably intelligenceThis.
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And IMO M2 v. Sonic and Yoshi are draws and Tink wins.
And that makes it totally inaccurate and useless, we've gone more into depth and are giving the characters the service they need, otherwise we might as well just call this thread, "pick random characters out of a hat" thread.@environment & tactics:
just going off a bit here, but this is -why- they stick to just weapons and "x" factors on The Deadlies Warrior.
Because he has no training in the area, firstly he needs to drop the armor, and still 99/100 times he'll wake the ninja up (who were trained to be light sleepers) and a normal battle would start (aka, the ninja would attempt to escape and use environmental tactics).both opponents can use tactics and environment equally, whats to say a spartan couldnt sneak up on a ninja while the ninja is sleeping and kill him with his own ninja stars? (mind = blown)
Again, intelligence. DK isn't gonna uproot a tree because, barring one case in all of history, gorillas don't use tools as weapons.problem here is that it is way too versatile of a thing to take into account, what is preventing the other party from using the environment in the way you described the 1st one did? (barring obvious stuff like DK being able to like uproot a small tree to use as a club or w/e) Or, as I said above, even if one character is more likley too, what prevents the 1st guy from assassination?
As I pointed out before, impossible, which is why I always amortize the environments and average the results.So what we are left with is the measureable things: weapons, abilities and design. Environment is assumed "neutral", with no envirnmental advantages or disadvantages to either party.
Different groups have different ways of "fighting to the death", if you take the specialty of one character as the basic way, the end result is your list is incredibly inaccurate.It is also assumed that their tactics are to simply fight to the death once they encounter each other, as it is deadliest brawler, not deadliest Assassin, etc, etc.
What are you implying?Intelligence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#Ancient_match
Samurai v. Spartan bro.
Intelligence means little when you can't kill the opponent.
And?Spartans were trained to fight in formation,
This is untrue.they're relatively limited as individuals,
This is meaningless. A ninja's experience might allow him to elude armed guards and make it into a guarded location but Stealth is not a switch on "Now you can't see me" toy like the Active Camo in Metal Gear Solid or anything. No matter how good you are or are not it is MASSIVELY an environmental factor. Could a Ninja consistently use Stealth to his advantage? No it would be situational, if the Spartan was asleep or not expecting a fight or at his home. In a battle? Well generally not.then the ninja will kill him the majority of the time, taking advantage of his vulnerability to stealth,
Please don't just make things up.and failing that, his relative unfamiliarity with 1v1 combat.
What is a ninja star? They only existed in the movies. Ninjas didn't throw stars.ninja stars?
This is stupid. Trained to be light sleepers as in if someone raised an alert a group of ninjas would wake up fast and alert and not groggily roll out of their beds. This does NOT in any way mean they would leap to their feet the minute someone walked within 30 paces of them. Anyone not trying to sneak in the style they use in Scooby Doo could easily walk up and gut a sleeping ninja they would just be able to react quickly if an armed force charged their camp is all.and still 99/100 times he'll wake the ninja up (who were trained to be light sleepers) and a normal battle would start (aka, the ninja would attempt to escape and use environmental tactics).
he meant shuriken.What is a ninja star? They only existed in the movies. Ninjas didn't throw stars.
Shuriken was just a blanket term for a disjointed oddball collection of whatever random sharp stuff that one ninja personally had to throw at pursuers to slow and debilitate them. Tips of broken farming tools, needles, shards of metal etc. There is no one thing that can be labelled a "Shuriken"he meant shuriken.
Not at all, possibility does not equal reliability, it's possible that I'm gonna be inspired to write the next version of windows and do it tomorrow... however there are people with far better skills in that area then me, people who actually write operating systems, so while the possibility exists that I will... do you really think that I'd be able to produce it more reliably then somebody with skills in the area?Adum, the example was that a spartan could "assassinate" a ninja, not the specifics of the actual act, but moreso the idea behind they both *could* do it, thus rendering it moot. Hell, Ganon *could* go and burn down Link's house as he slept, thus making him win in Link vs Ganon, right?
I seriously facepalmed IRL here. No, that's totally and 100% incorrect.and what training is needed to go in and kill a dude as they sleep? You just go in quietly, then *slice/etc*.
They'd certainly be at a disadvantage... but if you play it smart you can pretend to still be asleep and kill them while they're trying to set up a clean kill on you due to the element of surprise.Even if the ninja were light sleepers, they sleep with all their gear equipped to then fight off the guy? Then still have to get out of (bed), get a weapon/etc/etc all while just waking up and with a guy trying to kill them.
Only really works in the jungle, he only has intrinsic knowledge of that environment, any other environment would throw him off and have him hiding in plain sight because it's all instinctive.This is DK we are talking about, he's smarter than the averagebeargorilla, I mean, he doesnt use a clip-on like those shmucks. On the subject, would it not be an even fight for Roy as well (environment wise) as he could use the trees to hide from/corner DK if need be?
There's no environment that will not provide tools for more then that without fundamentally advantaging one side or the other in almost all MUs.And yes, it is impossible to have a perfectly "neutral" battlefield, but what I mean is that it is neutral as possible, meaning out of 1000 outcomes the environment should provide like 1-2 deaths due to randomness if anything.
Well my image of fighting to the death is obviously far broader then yours, see my image of "fight to the death" is basically the "ninja vs. spartan" episode, there are strategic retreats, they attempt to use terrain to their advantage, they DISENGAGE. And honestly, that's all you need to set up traps and use the environment against your opponent.and dude, will you be queit with the semantics? "Different groups have different ways of fighting to the death"
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what does that mean? Im pretty sure fightign to the death = fight till one of you dies..its kinda black and white there. What i was trying to push across was that when they "meet" in our battles, they fight until one is defeated, they dont run off and set traps, get help, wait till the next day, etc. they fight then and there as if their life depended on it (which it does).
Not to say those other strategies dont come into play in those situations, but they are too weird to try and calculate: Why cant Ganon set somethign up while link is off planting a bomb? or what if ganon decides to let link run off until another day? The list goes on and on of what crap can happen.
Hell, we could just call it a day and say Snake calls up Colonel each time and gets an air-strike in or some crap.
What are you implying?
This is not a sarcastic remark I genuinely want to know.
And?
This is untrue.
Please don't just make things up.
Spartans have around 4 years of 2 hours a day 1v1 combat training against other Spartans as part of their training and the other 9 years of their training would have seen regular sparring and 1v1 combat in at least a once a week timescale. IF the Spartan was actually taking the Ninja on in a fight he would hold all the advantages.
This is meaningless. A ninja's experience might allow him to elude armed guards and make it into a guarded location but Stealth is not a switch on "Now you can't see me" toy like the Active Camo in Metal Gear Solid or anything. No matter how good you are or are not it is MASSIVELY an environmental factor. Could a Ninja consistently use Stealth to his advantage? No it would be situational, if the Spartan was asleep or not expecting a fight or at his home. In a battle? Well generally not.
Catch-all term for a variety of weapons.What is a ninja star? They only existed in the movies. Ninjas didn't throw stars.
That's actually as much a modern skill as an ancient one, and it's not ninja-specific. You're at a disadvantage when you're asleep, that much is obvious, but when you're dealing with somebody untrained... from personal experience, I get woken up by footsteps nearby my bedroom all the time.This is stupid. Trained to be light sleepers as in if someone raised an alert a group of ninjas would wake up fast and alert and not groggily roll out of their beds. This does NOT in any way mean they would leap to their feet the minute someone walked within 30 paces of them. Anyone not trying to sneak in the style they use in Scooby Doo could easily walk up and gut a sleeping ninja they would just be able to react quickly if an armed force charged their camp is all.
JOE is entirely right a Spartan could walk up behind a distracted sleeping or simply unaware (OMG NO AMAZING REFLEXESSSSSSS you say? stfu No. Ninjas could easily be caught unawares if simply not expecting battle or violence they are not gods simply trained, if a ninja was at home watching a Friends Marathon he'd be as oblivious as any other.) and kill him. Assassination is one thing but no ninja could ever use stealth in the kind of fights The Deadliest Warrior runs. Ninjas would lose your ******** fanboyism changes nothing.
the main types of shuriken are 'bo' and 'hira' shuriken.Shuriken was just a blanket term for a disjointed oddball collection of whatever random sharp stuff that one ninja personally had to throw at pursuers to slow and debilitate them. Tips of broken farming tools, needles, shards of metal etc. There is no one thing that can be labelled a "Shuriken"
Let me put this simply.RELATIVELY.
Key phrase there, ALL the fighters of the ancient world had extreme amounts of training. Do you honestly expect somebody who's primary training regime was based around fighting in formation to be as inherently effective at 1v1 fighting as somebody with the same amount of total training, but was only trained in fighting as an individual.
Really, Manhunt? That's your example? The Spartan is going to turn around and face the wall and count to 50?Obviously you've never played manhunt or any sort of stealth game, so let me break it down for you.
You run away, find an area that you can hide in and vanish. Bushes will do, trees, buildings, whatever, but if you're good at it, you can have people searching for an hour in a 6 feet by 6 feet approximately section of bush (yes, that was oddly specific). From there, you wait until you can regain the advantage and approach quietly.
If you INSIST that Ninjas would spring from their beds the minute a Spartan came to stab them and then somehow win, as being awake is far from a victory...*Throws Spear from long distance*That's actually as much a modern skill as an ancient one, and it's not ninja-specific. You're at a disadvantage when you're asleep, that much is obvious, but when you're dealing with somebody untrained... from personal experience, I get woken up by footsteps nearby my bedroom all the time.
Vs. modern military standards, yes. A lot of their advantage came from their organization.Let me put this simply.
Spartans would have had more training fighting as an individual then a Ninja would have had total training.
Obviously Spartans were far from their 300 depiction but they quite simply went through more and longer training then almost any other military force that ever existed.
Not really.
Really, Manhunt? That's your example? The Spartan is going to turn around and face the wall and count to 50?
If you're prepared to give a proper example then I will discuss it, but until then...
And here we were talking about environment for so long, this is how the conversation came up in the first place.As a curiosity what kind of combat area and terms are you imagining here? A room, a building, a street, a forest, a city, a spaceship?
Yes and yes, it's been established time and time again in this thread that they know who they're fighting and what the opponent looks like. Unless they're not intelligent enough to understand that of course.Would they be aware that there is someone who is out to kill them beforehand, would they know their appearance etc? Only with the influence of some of these factors does stealth become some kind of tangible advantage.
And that's definitely gonna hit in an area that's immediately fatal when the guy's in his lean-to/hole under a fur tree/cave/random other camouflaged hiding spot.If you INSIST that Ninjas would spring from their beds the minute a Spartan came to stab them and then somehow win, as being awake is far from a victory...*Throws Spear from long distance*
It was to show that different skillsets show a difference in how skilled different people are in utilizing the environment.Also, why are we talking about ninja men and spartans? I get this is an analogy for intellect vs. brute strength or what have you, but honestly I don't feel this applies.
Firstly, it's the opposite, a more broken-up fight makes people less interested in general.In the Ultimate Fighter they disengage? This is because IT'S A TV SHOW. They can't just put a single fight on screen and expect people to watch it. (Only anime can do that ) I really don't feel like strategic retreats should be part of our concern.
Not really, environment got ignored period, basically it's a big space of "nothing", unless I brought it up that a "big space of nothing" ridiculously advantages one side or another, in which case, a neutral got developed.From what I've seen, up until now the battles have been fought in what's basically a Colosseum. (Correct me if I'm wrong, it's very possible.)
maybe you don't but it has been a factor in cases.stuff
they're just using it as an example?dahighii said:other stuff
How ridiculous -_-.[COLOR="RoyalBlue"
And @ Yonder, I asked people for their input for weapons, and everyone has practically ignored Luigi. Seems like he has the vacuum only. [/COLOR]
Of course. The point of me saying that I don't think it applies is that I don't believe those different skill sets aren't of any meaning here. And I'll show you why, right after this!You realize this was mainly to illustrate how difference in skill-sets means something, right?
It was to show that different skillsets show a difference in how skilled different people are in utilizing the environment.
And this is what I'm talking about. As you just said, the battles have taken place in a big space of "nothing" - which is exactly what I meant by a 3D Final Destination. There's nothing there, it's just ground, extending in all directions. This is the environment the thread was created with; I take it to simply be unsaid. ALL battles up to this point have been fought in this space, and now you wish to change that? Do you want to render all past verdicts null and void because the environment wasn't taken into account? If environment wasn't discussed in those matchups previously, then absoulutely none of the results so far mean anything. This is why I say that all of this talk of ninjas and spartans doesn't apply - because the battles should continue as they always were, that being in this space of nothing. This is how the thread has been and how it should be if it is to retain its original purpose. If JOE! says otherwise, then alright, it's his thread, he makes the rules, but otherwise this just makes the most sense.Not really, environment got ignored period, basically it's a big space of "nothing", unless I brought it up that a "big space of nothing" ridiculously advantages one side or another, in which case, a neutral got developed.
This is really just a minor point, but I'm bored One fight for an entire hour? In real-time? I mentioned anime because characters take forever to charge attacks, give dialogue, etc., but I don't think I could watch a single, real-time battle for an hour. Maybe that's just me and a short attention span for physical violence, but I doubt there's going to be much innovation in a single battle for an hour straight. I haven't seen this show, so maybe they deploy all sorts of battle twists and whatnot, and perhaps they could do this for an entire hour. Even then I'm not sure if it would make good tv. Bah, opinions, everyone's got one :suess:Firstly, it's the opposite, a more broken-up fight makes people less interested in general.
Not quite, it was more like... "arbitrary space", it could have features, but utilization of any of those features wasn't banned.And this is what I'm talking about. As you just said, the battles have taken place in a big space of "nothing" - which is exactly what I meant by a 3D Final Destination. There's nothing there, it's just ground, extending in all directions. This is the environment the thread was created with; I take it to simply be unsaid. ALL battles up to this point have been fought in this space, and now you wish to change that? Do you want to render all past verdicts null and void because the environment wasn't taken into account? If environment wasn't discussed in those matchups previously, then absoulutely none of the results so far mean anything. This is why I say that all of this talk of ninjas and spartans doesn't apply - because the battles should continue as they always were, that being in this space of nothing. This is how the thread has been and how it should be if it is to retain its original purpose. If JOE! says otherwise, then alright, it's his thread, he makes the rules, but otherwise this just makes the most sense.
I think you misunderstand the format, they do research, weapons demonstrations, etc.This is really just a minor point, but I'm bored One fight for an entire hour? In real-time? I mentioned anime because characters take forever to charge attacks, give dialogue, etc., but I don't think I could watch a single, real-time battle for an hour. Maybe that's just me and a short attention span for physical violence, but I doubt there's going to be much innovation in a single battle for an hour straight. I haven't seen this show, so maybe they deploy all sorts of battle twists and whatnot, and perhaps they could do this for an entire hour. Even then I'm not sure if it would make good tv. Bah, opinions, everyone's got one :suess:
Ah, that's sounds much more interesting than I originally thought it was. Maybe I'll watch it sometime, if I can find the time.I think you misunderstand the format, they do research, weapons demonstrations, etc.
Then, at the end of it all, they have like a 5 minutes illustrative battle where the guy they calculated as the winner wins.
It wasn't so much the rendering "a verdict" void part that bothered me, but rather rendering "all verdicts" void that I took issue with. And alright, I suppose these are fair guidelines, but does this mean that a character that needs a certain environment to win would just cause a draw for the matchup? For instance, (to use my earlier example) if Marth ***** in the desert and Diddy rules the forest, is it called as a draw?Not quite, it was more like... "arbitrary space", it could have features, but utilization of any of those features wasn't banned.
But this wasn't uniform, there were a number of battles from all points in the thread where I pointed out "hey, the environment is gonna matter a lot here, we gotta account for it".
And we render previous verdicts void all the time.
Average it, if Marth wins in all places except Jungle and deep forest, and Diddy wins in those two places, marth wins.It wasn't so much the rendering "a verdict" void part that bothered me, but rather rendering "all verdicts" void that I took issue with. And alright, I suppose these are fair guidelines, but does this mean that a character that needs a certain environment to win would just cause a draw for the matchup? For instance, (to use my earlier example) if Marth ***** in the desert and Diddy rules the forest, is it called as a draw?
Plausible. Alright, I suppose environments can be in play then, as you wereAverage it, if Marth wins in all places except Jungle and deep forest, and Diddy wins in those two places, marth wins.
If they win in the same number of environments, whoever wins by a larger margin on their good environments and loses by a smaller margin on their lose environments wins.
Mewtwo has higher mobility, power and probably intelligence
Sonic has trouble even standing with no form of attack other than his less than lethal lolspikes
Yoshi can't move all that well and has little to attack with
I don't see how he'd draw, by any stretch
What are you implying?
This is not a sarcastic remark I genuinely want to know.
How ridiculous -_-.
Whatever though. Luigi would waste alot of characters though given more of his arsenal of items. Fireballs, hammers, various suits, etc....
I mean, the items the Mario Bros use could defeat most characters, they can practically accomplish anything with them!
*notes how much discussion took place when he was here all day*Stuff
I disagree. because then you have people saying the fight takes place at. Using Roy v. DK, one side will imply Roy follows DK into the jungle, and another side says DK goes to the castle to confront Roy. Neutral enviorments encompass neither having a side where there is a distinct winning side.hmn, perhaps a better way to go about the environments would be similar to how they did it in Animal Face-off:
where *could* these characters meet?
for example, Roy vs DK could have been on the outskirts of the forest near Roy's castle or such, giving both characters familiar grounds (well, kinda for DK, but a buncha trees is good enough replica for the jungle for our purposes)
we actually did this for Wolf vs Snake:
it was an abandoned military base, where we kinda made the story of Snake looking for some files/etc, while Wolf touched down outside the base to look for ammo/etc.
No what I meant was.What I mean is that M2 has no way to kill reliably. Link has an arsenal. Wolf has guns and claws. Marth has a sword. M2 has....a tail....and brainpower....so he's really going to be a huge factor if he fought any of these three. What I was implying is that even though M2 is brilliant, that won't help him in a fight with most of the characters here.
i never said we need to make stories (athough that one for link and yoshi made me lol)I disagree. because then you have people saying the fight takes place at. Using Roy v. DK, one side will imply Roy follows DK into the jungle, and another side says DK goes to the castle to confront Roy. Neutral enviorments encompass neither having a side where there is a distinct winning side.
Not to mention, we have to make stories for these scenarios?
That takes away from what we've been doing this entire time with the thread. Instead of a wisecrack from you saying why Link beats Yoshi, we have this:
Link encounters Yoshi while searching the outer depths of Hyrule. Yoshi sees Navi and does Link a favor by swallowing it up. Link gets pissed and slices Yoshi's throat. Yoshi dies and Link stuffs the Yoshi meat in a bottle.
See what I'm getting at? We debate matches, not try to make likely scenarios for them to fight each other. Plus, how likely that some of these characters would meet? How would Sonic meet Olimar and pick a fight with him? Or Kirby and Ganondorf? And it becomes this @ 9:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUSSXyrT4Bc&feature=related
I say if you're serious about this, then we implement it in Rd. 6. But I don't see why you need to change up in the 9th inning.
It was in reference to the MU on TV. Samurais said they trained the mind, but the Spartan won. It really wasn't proper evidence to support my claim, but I just watched that episode before I posted so yea...No what I meant was.
What are you implying about Samurai and Spartans when you say look at the Samurai v Spartan fight...
And as I've said before, M2 has kangaroo like legs but he lacks the build to perform kanga moves. Matterfact, let me dig in the archives of MUs and find some quotes of this discussed already:@Nova
Mewtwo's body actually works in assaulting
His whip-like tail can easily serve as a force to be reckoned with. Bashing Sonic's head repeatively as to Yoshi with their lackluster mobility
His kangaroo-like drop kick which has been suggested before could easily be aimed towards Yoshi's head, breaking his neck/skull
Honestly, Sonic has no redeeming attributes to even pose a threat
Noodle arms, inability to even stand, only defences being keratin quils that aren't even lethal as explained once before
Yoshi lacks any real brute force
http://static.squidoo.com/resize/sq...hoto_1232135198hall_of_fame_mario.preview.jpgAnd to the Luigi stuff, WHY does Luigi get the short end of the straw JUST to make WEAPONRY DIFFFERENT?
I thought we were to take these characters to their fullest realistic abilities?
Where is the realism in limiting weaponry?
Why isn't Luigi given hammers while Mario can get bombs?
Why is Luigi restricted hammers?
Sounds o' so selective and brings about the unnecessary reasoning of "to make them different"
And this is what I agree with. keep it "FD" type and keep it neutral from there.i never said we need to make stories (athough that one for link and yoshi made me lol)
however, its as close to neutrality as we can get if both sides have advantageous and disadvantageous stuff at their side, and we can determine how it'd go down based on that,
otherwise we'll never hear the end of Adum's bithcing