even so, we can't just make exceptions.
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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
- Thread starter JOE!
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Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
We said DDD was a giant penguin why can't we say DK's a big gorilla?
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I agree can we change to the next MU?
REL38
Smash Lord
This has been over for the longest time.
It's been runnin' as long as the Zamus/Falcon MU alongside redundancy.
@JOE
Comparable, yes.
Compatible, no.
It's been runnin' as long as the Zamus/Falcon MU alongside redundancy.
@JOE
Comparable, yes.
Compatible, no.
QFT. I thought I was the only one who did this.
Lol. I think he was exaggerating with a cause but I get what you're saying. But it's a mute point regardless *shrugs*
I'm working on this. Can't gurantee anything as far as the results, but I'll have my attempt to classify DK tomorrow.
And that's what I try to do but get shot down by my fave critics and then I lose tht MU. But idk; maybe I should enforce earthquake punches and thunderbolts instead of citing wiki and comparing things to RL equivalents. Either way, there can't be a double standard going on. And you need to change the DK v. Ivy MU to Ivy wins.
REL38
Smash Lord
@Nova
Ivy is a toad/Dino mix, but more of a toad.
DK's canon shows he is free of the phobia of large reptiles cuz he stomps them left and right.
Also, to my understanding, those apes are afraid of crocs and big reptiles.
Ivy ain't gonna be that threatening cuz he ain't a "natural predator" DK has seen before.
Ivy is a toad/Dino mix, but more of a toad.
DK's canon shows he is free of the phobia of large reptiles cuz he stomps them left and right.
Also, to my understanding, those apes are afraid of crocs and big reptiles.
Ivy ain't gonna be that threatening cuz he ain't a "natural predator" DK has seen before.
But his name is Ivy-SAUR for a reason, so I think he is more dino than toad.
From Wiki. Doesn't have to be a predator to fear it. And DK never wants to fight K. Rool. Only when he gets his bananas taken does he decide to fight.
@ US
Yea. Between you, Adum having his moments, and occasional Big Bang Attacks DKC would never take place in the future.
REL38
Smash Lord
Well, the other little guy is called SQUIR-tle for a reason too ya know!
He's obviously more squirrel
But srsly, his base is that of a toad and he doesn't derail from it very much.
Heck, this is the closest thing we'd get for a RL Ivysaur.
This much is opinion, mind you, but I see it making more sense that an evolved toad's back could secrete some sort of fertile "substitute" for soil which allows the flower to grow on his back.
Oh, let me guess as to why he doesn't have anything against K. Rool until he stole his bananas.
Cuz his property was stolen which is the only defining plot for Donkey Kong Country?
Fear hardly had any reason behind it.
The only reason he fights him is to obtain his banana hoard back or w/e. That's true.
The fact he's tackling with alligator henchmen, jumping on mini-crocs, bashing komodo dragoon brutes and ultimately hopping on King K. Rool himself is proof enough that he has no fear of reptiles at the very least.
DK is no Mountain Gorilla.
He may share certain physical attributes, but that doesn't mean he has the instinctual fears a Mountain Gorilla would.
1. Squirtle seems to be more turtle to me
Well, the other little guy is called SQUIR-tle for a reason too ya know!
He's obviously more squirrel
But srsly, his base is that of a toad and he doesn't derail from it very much.
Heck, this is the closest thing we'd get for a RL Ivysaur.
This much is opinion, mind you, but I see it making more sense that an evolved toad's back could secrete some sort of fertile "substitute" for soil which allows the flower to grow on his back.
Oh, let me guess as to why he doesn't have anything against K. Rool until he stole his bananas.
Cuz his property was stolen which is the only defining plot for Donkey Kong Country?
Fear hardly had any reason behind it.
The only reason he fights him is to obtain his banana hoard back or w/e. That's true.
The fact he's tackling with alligator henchmen, jumping on mini-crocs, bashing komodo dragoon brutes and ultimately hopping on King K. Rool himself is proof enough that he has no fear of reptiles at the very least.
DK is no Mountain Gorilla.
He may share certain physical attributes, but that doesn't mean he has the instinctual fears a Mountain Gorilla would.
.2. Photobucket is the closest we get to Ivy? Lol.
3. Check it out:
Look at the hind legs. Look at the claws. And like I said the same even says so; Squirtle looks nothing like a chipmunk for a reason. And Politoad is a toad, not Ivy. It's like crocodiles and alligators, they appear similar but they aren't. Ivy's body resembels tht of a toad but it isn't based on one.
4. The DK mountain gorilla thing I'll get to later. Still working on it...
You would have agreed if JOE! didn't say so...you know he's one of them...
JOE!
Smash Hero
you know, I think DK doesnt afraid of anything really...
I mean, if he had a natural fear, you would see it throughout the what? 8 games featuring him going up against the kremlings?
anyways, the reason why im not sure whether or not to compare him to a gorilla or not is two fold:
He is too big and he has orang-esque proportions, like the gigantopithicus. *shrug*
I mean, if he had a natural fear, you would see it throughout the what? 8 games featuring him going up against the kremlings?
anyways, the reason why im not sure whether or not to compare him to a gorilla or not is two fold:
He is too big and he has orang-esque proportions, like the gigantopithicus. *shrug*
SSE when Bowser pulled tht gun out he didn't panic?
Or how about when the island was going to blow up?
Or in DK64 when he learned K.Rool was back?
Or in DKC2 when he was tied up and Diddy and Dixie had to save him.
And I'm going to try and save DK from lolphailure.
JOE!
Smash Hero
he never was lol phail, Adum just assumes things
JOE!
Smash Hero
yeah, diddy acts like scrappy doo there, and DK was sensible enough to save him from harm. Dk was ready to fight bowser though, notice the fists going up...
as for DK, i think it would just be easier to just call him a big-*** gorilla and be done with it, as we dont know exactly how giganto's worked...and we could go on forever about what to do with him otherwise
as for DK, i think it would just be easier to just call him a big-*** gorilla and be done with it, as we dont know exactly how giganto's worked...and we could go on forever about what to do with him otherwise
JOE!
Smash Hero
well really, what other options do we have? We've explored everything else:
Giganto has no real data to go on.
As-is has no basis as he's just a "kong"
the next best thing would just be to use him as a super-sized gorilla, as we can actually get a base on what he can do physically.
Sieguest
Smash Master
Or we could go with a primate that is poorly proportioned leading to horrible hindrances in combat....>__>
JOE!
Smash Hero
ok then, all the other guys I listed a few pages back then get ****ed too because:
****ed up skulls/head too **** big, popeye anatmoy, Cloned, etc, etc
****ed up skulls/head too **** big, popeye anatmoy, Cloned, etc, etc
Sieguest
Smash Master
Prove it...
We all ready lol phailed those with big heads.
You somehow tried to lol phail human characters with things you can't even prove from even the outside.... >__>
I must go to bed, I have to get up early.
JOE!
Smash Hero
pit has sily anatomy
mario bros + wario + motherboys have tremendous noggins
mario bros + wario + motherboys have tremendous noggins
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
...
We know enough to know that DK's physical attributes don't match him at all, so pigeonholing him there is ridiculous.
Except they're humans, when a point of something physical attributes is unrealistic for the species, we toss it out.
Also, backstory realism is irrelevant.
JOE!
Smash Hero
pit's not a human, he's an angel/cherub/source of annoying hig-pitched noises
spacies arent anything either, neither human nor animal...
but anywho, (even though it'd be funnier), why make exceptions for these guys, yet keep other characters like Sonic with their uber-fail anatomy?
spacies arent anything either, neither human nor animal...
but anywho, (even though it'd be funnier), why make exceptions for these guys, yet keep other characters like Sonic with their uber-fail anatomy?
Because the emphasis is on realism and not fairness.pit's not a human, he's an angel/cherub/source of annoying hig-pitched noises
spacies arent anything either, neither human nor animal...
but anywho, (even though it'd be funnier), why make exceptions for these guys, yet keep other characters like Sonic with their uber-fail anatomy?
Fairness would allow Kirby, Jiggs, ect. to become characters that could fight but require no real explanation.
But now it's to the point where it's Samus v. Squirtle, in which we all know the answer w/o a doubt.
We need to base everything off of the medium of RL in order to have a balanced standard.
But anyway, can we move to another MU? DK lost, so just bring the DK tlk 2 the discussion room and move on.
@ US
LOL.
JOE!
Smash Hero
yeah, but nobody actually discusses things in the back room, it just goes to yugi-oh cards and crap after 2 posts.
what is wrong with DK being a giant gorilla, if thats all we can compare him to?
We know his weight (800lbs) and we have a rough idea how big he is (tall as a rhino on all fours, towers over Peach/Pauline, who are 6foot).
what is wrong with DK being a giant gorilla, if thats all we can compare him to?
We know his weight (800lbs) and we have a rough idea how big he is (tall as a rhino on all fours, towers over Peach/Pauline, who are 6foot).
tocador
Smash Lord
JOE!
Smash Hero
i mean really, where on earth are you getting these? XD
Well like I said, people who matter will discuss this. If it's only you and i we'll get it done. But we need to move on.
Thx lol. The fail was so great I had to post twice.
Flickr. I has an account so I can spam all the images I has on my hard drive. Like this:
That's Tocador all the way XD
JOE!
Smash Hero
indeed, but we seem to have oddly come full circle with this, no?
after a bunch of *****ing DK is back to being a giant gorilla...
now, does he have the ability to counteract Roy's weapon with the fact that he outclasses Roy in everything else except brains, which wont really matter in this bout?
after a bunch of *****ing DK is back to being a giant gorilla...
now, does he have the ability to counteract Roy's weapon with the fact that he outclasses Roy in everything else except brains, which wont really matter in this bout?
yeah full circle as in.
Roy's sword > DK
circling the event horizon, and back to Roy's sword > DK
This MU is extreme reaction and spacing training for Roy. DK loses.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Because his proportions don't work.
We can't randomly pigeon-hole him into a species because he "shares attributes". Only if he is defined as a member of that species OR is absolutely the same can we call him a member.
The fact are that his proportions fail on their own, so I offered you guys an out, find something that defines him specifically as a gorilla.
Prove their anatomy is phail.pit's not a human, he's an angel/cherub/source of annoying hig-pitched noises
spacies arent anything either, neither human nor animal...
but anywho, (even though it'd be funnier), why make exceptions for these guys, yet keep other characters like Sonic with their uber-fail anatomy?
A character doesn't need to be defined as anything to survive, but if it's not then it's possible that fail anatomy comes into play.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Haha some people in this discussion are absolutely, sublimely, pants on head ********.
I particularly enjoyed the Guy who said Roy would cut his arm off when he reached out. It would take one hell of a swing to actually remove an Arm that thick. : D
Years and years of Blade training are meaningless when not being faced by another swordsman. The fencing guy who thinks he could take a Gorilla is equally funny. I'm not even gonna go into your arguments of the "Spacing" and "Matchup" I give you simply one fact. Going back in recorded history IRL during older times lots of Swordsmen have fancied their chances against large animals, Gorillas and Bears mostly. Most of them died. They got their **** owned. Sometimes people would survive, if they were lucky. Few would escape without heavy injury though. The procedure to large animals turned aggressive was teams of Horseman with Lances harrying before eventually going into the kill. Although Archers were sometimes used, any swordsman who thought he could take him and there were more then a few who tried were laughed at and thought ********/insane. I care nothing for your hypothetical arguments. This **** has actually happened. In isolated instances sometimes the Humans have even won but it's less then a One in a Hundred chance the most common victory to be hoped for is that the Animal was not really prepared for violence and can be dissuaded from violence and will back off but I'm assuming this is to be taken as a fight to the death and DK isn't merely hungry or surprised while sleeping or something and will back off at resistance.
I particularly enjoyed the Guy who said Roy would cut his arm off when he reached out. It would take one hell of a swing to actually remove an Arm that thick. : D
Years and years of Blade training are meaningless when not being faced by another swordsman. The fencing guy who thinks he could take a Gorilla is equally funny. I'm not even gonna go into your arguments of the "Spacing" and "Matchup" I give you simply one fact. Going back in recorded history IRL during older times lots of Swordsmen have fancied their chances against large animals, Gorillas and Bears mostly. Most of them died. They got their **** owned. Sometimes people would survive, if they were lucky. Few would escape without heavy injury though. The procedure to large animals turned aggressive was teams of Horseman with Lances harrying before eventually going into the kill. Although Archers were sometimes used, any swordsman who thought he could take him and there were more then a few who tried were laughed at and thought ********/insane. I care nothing for your hypothetical arguments. This **** has actually happened. In isolated instances sometimes the Humans have even won but it's less then a One in a Hundred chance the most common victory to be hoped for is that the Animal was not really prepared for violence and can be dissuaded from violence and will back off but I'm assuming this is to be taken as a fight to the death and DK isn't merely hungry or surprised while sleeping or something and will back off at resistance.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
All I gotta say is "lol".
Historically humans with weapons BEAT animals, though certain styles were practically useless (spacing-centric is quite the opposite, because that takes advantage of their major weakness, overaggression), in general going with lances and arrows was just safer.
Historically weapons and planning were the reason why we were able to carve out territory as our own from the beginning of time, and that really never changed.
Minus some blips, humans>animals.
After all, which has caused many species of the other to go extict? This **** actually happened and is happening, and it's not like our group sizes were initially large either.
Also, you're wrong. Early medieval weaponry could not, but late medieval weaponry was far sharper owing to advances in metal-working, it could easily take off arms with no trouble. The rapier is a signifier of that era.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Humans managed to surpass other Animals through intellect and adaptation. The use of weapons is only one part of this. Humans didn't tend to hunt solo and would not duel animals one on one. Nor would they fight fairly. The fact that we have succeeded as a species better then Gorillas does not mean a single human can take a single Gorilla in a fight.
JOE!
Smash Hero
at that, DK is a giant gorilla, with ROy being a 15 year old who apparently is given EXPERT evel skill with a style of fighting perfectly suited just to take down DK, and not anyone else he's fought before in this, and has the reflexes to do so perfectly.