TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[justaway12]

....How can he light them? I know bringing something to light is optional but will he even think too.

I also highly doubt the stories canon, it's basically DK watching T.V. and wanting some Mario toys, for some reason, then wanting to steal them all from Mario's toy company, which he presumably has (not in the mushroom kingdom).

And I belive that DK does not have access to the bombs, they were inside the building from the begining, DK didn't own them or anything.

I also think they are all toys, but I will save that argument for another time.

I do belive that DK beats Roy, but I have no way to prove it, I just think that using Pink Bob-ombs is silly.

 

[JOE!]

My point is a lack of realistic frame of reference.

...you're talking about a universe where a family of "Kongs" fight a tyrannical overweight anthro crocodile, and the beavers piss you off?

the beavers have allways been the size presented in DKC and DK64, and any other games theyre featured in. That should actually be more reliable as a measure, as they are stated as giant beaver-monsters.

as for the orange grenade, how would you make an orange that's perfectly round and has a pull-pin? Methinks they may actually be simply "orange" grenades

 

[adumbrodeus]

...you're talking about a universe where a family of "Kongs" fight a tyrannical overweight anthro crocodile, and the beavers piss you off?

the beavers have allways been the size presented in DKC and DK64, and any other games theyre featured in. That should actually be more reliable as a measure, as they are stated as giant beaver-monsters.

as for the orange grenade, how would you make an orange that's perfectly round and has a pull-pin? Methinks they may actually be simply "orange" grenades

I think you're missing my point, an out of universe reference, and we toss all the other references because they're wildly inconsistent.



As far as the oranges, DK's world is 2x4 tech, period. So yes, it makes a great deal more sense that it's an orange with a pin attached to it that randomly explodes. What you're suggesting is that it's randomly the only piece of modern tech in the world, which makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[REL38]

I already said they can't realistically live :/
That's the TDB formula workin' right there.

In other news, Roy won.

@JOE
Look at the bees.
Or the Parrot that helps.
Or armadillos.
Or condors.
Or bananas.

Also, those are clearly fruit.
It has a pull pin to make it look like a grenade.
It's orange like the fruit.
It is a fruit that cannot realistically do what it's intended to do.

 

[JOE!]

then lets pull a bowser and average him then?

 

[justaway12]

He doesn't even have access to them AFAIK (the bob-ombs, I mean)

 

[adumbrodeus]

then lets pull a bowser and average him then?

But what's his size?The ones with outside of world references are all that matters because the others have wildly inconsistent size-scales.

 

[JOE!]

only with Diddy kong do they really.

DK is allways shown to be Rambi's height, and the size of the giant beaver monsters.

Rambi can be considered the size of a real rhino due to his size vs building in DK64, and the fact that DK himself toweres ove rthe likes of mario and Pauline even when on all fours

 

[UncleSam]

hey, even adum said he couldnt do it, and he's our resident swordsman.

I just see it (as everyone's said) that Roy would need to play -perfectly- to Kill DK the majority of the time. That said, i brought up that we dont know exactly what kind of training he had, just that he was a noble...yet we do know he was sent away for scholastic reasons, then was brought back to a war that was foght using magical abilities and simple sword animations/manuevers that also shot out beams...

At least Zelda has a reasonable excuse of having no backstory to speak of other than chillin' at her castle, which can be filled with weapons training, along with being trained by the sheika (thus why she's shiek). Roy has the story of being sent of to school at a presumably younger age, then being drafted into a war where he fights using cunning (vs lycans at the least) and magical sword-beams rather than pure skill. Oh, and ph1r3.

I could see any of the other swordsmen doing what you're saying Adum...but Roy doesnt really show this finess, and kinda lacks the backdrop for it (sure, he's a lord, but as Ive said like 10 times he was sent away to school, not training to be a knight, then essentially drafted)


*shrug*

before I read anything else I just have to say this.
Adum also said he didn't go through the same training as Roy. your point is?

 

[JOE!]

my point is: happy 2000th post?

also, if Adum said he lacked the know-how, and I assume he is older and has more diverse trainign than Roy probably would have, just that he lacks rapier training, etc, and that he said he wouldnt be able to: How would Roy?

 

[justaway12]

JOE! Where did you get that he "towers" over Peach and Mario?
I would prove he was just slightly bigger than Pauline/Peach, if it wasn't for the fact that my source are uncanon.

 

[adumbrodeus]

only with Diddy kong do they really.

DK is allways shown to be Rambi's height, and the size of the giant beaver monsters.

Rambi can be considered the size of a real rhino due to his size vs building in DK64, and the fact that DK himself toweres ove rthe likes of mario and Pauline even when on all fours

However Mario is VERY short.

If we look at his original appearance, slightly below Pauline/whoever she was in height... Mario's mad short.

Again, doesn't really have a consistent measure.

before I read anything else I just have to say this.
Adum also said he didn't go through the same training as Roy. your point is?

Keep in mind, it's incorrect, I said I would beat DK, but only with certain weapons, I need a machete at least to have a good shot.


I also said Roy would most likely destroy me.

 

[JOE!]

his original appearance is bad in that it's the whole pixel scenario.

Look at march of the mini's: ALl the same characters, DK is still the same size compared to pauline and mario, Mario we know to be 5foot when not shrunk by being hit (his seemingly normal mode now) and pauline / peach get a good foot on him. DK is taller or as tall as pauline when on all fours, and is a good foot or more when standing.

 

[Nova9000]

He has oranges that magically explode.


And his posture prevents him throwing with any real force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roJNxWMV7KY&NR=1
He can't throw with any force now?

....How can he light them? I know bringing something to light is optional but will he even think too.

I also highly doubt the stories canon, it's basically DK watching T.V. and wanting some Mario toys, for some reason, then wanting to steal them all from Mario's toy company, which he presumably has (not in the mushroom kingdom).

And I belive that DK does not have access to the bombs, they were inside the building from the begining, DK didn't own them or anything.

I also think they are all toys, but I will save that argument for another time.

I do belive that DK beats Roy, but I have no way to prove it, I just think that using Pink Bob-ombs is silly.

Funny. I said the same thing for Peach and got ignored. Smh.
Falcon's gun is silly. A bomb is a bomb however.
And I'm diggin the Grunty avatar.

But what's his size?The ones with outside of world references are all that matters because the others have wildly inconsistent size-scales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Gorilla#Description

Why can't we go with this?

 

[UncleSam]

my point is: happy 2000th post?

no that was 1999
now I has 2000.


**** YEAH 2000 POSTS!

 

[adumbrodeus]

my point is: happy 2000th post?

also, if Adum said he lacked the know-how, and I assume he is older and has more diverse trainign than Roy probably would have, just that he lacks rapier training, etc, and that he said he wouldnt be able to: How would Roy?

...


STOP MISREPRESENTING WHAT I SAY JOE!


I said that I would win, I just need a machete at least, SoS would be more difficult, but rapier would be a cakewalk.


And no, as I stated before, because of the culture of the time, Roy's training would surpass what I have by an enormous margin. My only advantage is my techniques have had longer to develop, and that I'm probably smarter then he is.


But he's got the tactics and the military knowledge down far better then I could, because that's just the culture of the time. He's a noble, NOTHING would interfere with his training, and being sent away ALWAYS included military training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roJNxWMV7KY&NR=1
He can't throw with any force now?

If he can stand upright.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Gorilla#Description

Why can't we go with this?

I would've agreed with you at the beginning of the debate (protip, he will not outrange Roy), the problem is, Joe brought in the messy detail that he's never been confirmed to be a gorilla.

 

[adumbrodeus]

double post....

 

[justaway12]

his original appearance is bad in that it's the whole pixel scenario.

Look at march of the mini's: ALl the same characters, DK is still the same size compared to pauline and mario, Mario we know to be 5foot when not shrunk by being hit (his seemingly normal mode now) and pauline / peach get a good foot on him. DK is taller or as tall as pauline when on all fours, and is a good foot or more when standing.

What size are you aiming for?

Funny. I said the same thing for Peach and got ignored. Smh.
Falcon's gun is silly. A bomb is a bomb however.
And I'm diggin the Grunty avatar.

Yes, but I like Peach more than Donkey Kong.
Anyway, it isn't even his bob-ombs AFAIK.
And thanks

 

[Nova9000]

I would've agreed with you at the beginning of the debate (protip, he will not outrange Roy), the problem is, Joe brought in the messy detail that he's never been confirmed to be a gorilla.

Umm...no chance JOE! would like to take his words back?

@Just
So make up your mind. Peach and DK have no way to light bombs so they both fail or we assume when they hit an impact they explode.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Umm...no chance JOE! would like to take his words back?

Too late, he convinced me, and I'm not letting him take it back without proving he's SOMETHING. I actually warned him about this before he convinced me.



Mountain Gorilla would be very viable though, still has issues with the sword users, but generally high tier combatant.

 

[Nova9000]

Too late, he convinced me, and I'm not letting him take it back without proving he's SOMETHING. I actually warned him about this before he convinced me.



Mountain Gorilla would be very viable though, still has issues with the sword users, but generally high tier combatant.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Orange Grenades are grenades, not oranges. They show more grenade features than orange features both in apperance and functions. =/ The Kongs should have them.

 

[justaway12]

@Just
So make up your mind. Peach and DK have no way to light bombs so they both fail or we assume when they hit an impact they explode.

What? I said he doesn't have access to it, as in, I'm pretty sure it was taken from the factory and he just pressed a button.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Orange Grenades are grenades, not oranges. They show more grenade features than orange features both in apperance and functions. =/ The Kongs should have them.

Except DK is 100% bamboo technology.


How much sense does it make for this one thing to be constructed out of military grade munitions that obviously the kongs have no regular access to?


Especially when it's easily explainable AS bamboo technology.

 

[REL38]

Orange Grenades are grenades, not oranges. They show more grenade features than orange features both in apperance and functions. =/ The Kongs should have them.

There's no denying the nature of the weapon, more so, the theme it follows.

An orange that explodes.
It is an orange made to act like a grenade which realistically is not possible.

All of the artillery for the Kongs in DK64 consist of edible fruit.
That makes the orange an orange that cannot realistically serve as a grenade.

Edit: Blast!
Adumb beat me to it

 

[UncleSam]

INR you're trying to force a weapon onto DK that doesn't logically work.
and even if some idiot jammed a grenade into an orange, how are you gonna get the materials? HOW IS A GORILLA GONNA MAKE THAT?

 

[JOE!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1YpTavQjDE

Cranky Kong has modern science equipment

Funky has a **** gattling gun in his shop, and a (non pineapple) bazooka

Candy even has electronic instruments.

Is a grenade that resembles an orange that far-fetched?


anywho, as for what DK is:

He is too big and has too different of an arm structure to be a gorilla, more like an Orang.

I give to you the real life DK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus

look at the anatomical models of them, same arm to leg ratio DK sports, along with the size

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cus_model.JPG/800px-Gigantopithecus_model.JPG

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

A picture comparing Mario characters' sizes in spinoffs. Mario's 5'1.

 

[Sieguest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1YpTavQjDE

Cranky Kong has modern science equipment

Funky has a **** gattling gun in his shop, and a (non pineapple) bazooka

Candy even has electronic instruments.

Is a grenade that resembles an orange that far-fetched?


anywho, as for what DK is:

He is too big and has too different of an arm structure to be a gorilla, more like an Orang.

I give to you the real life DK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus

look at the anatomical models of them, same arm to leg ratio DK sports, along with the size

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cus_model.JPG/800px-Gigantopithecus_model.JPG

Err, those are extinct... wonder why...

 

[REL38]

@JOE

Except they aren't regular playable characters.
All of the playable Kongs use fruit as ammunition (except the girl one)
They use fruit that explodes.
Just like a Deku Nut, no flash or explosion is possible.

@Marthage
I lol'd

@Riald
idunno if we should use spin-offs as the base height :/

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I don't think in real life that an ape would have enough intelligence to even use a gun, other than the fact REL38 brought up that the guns couldn't possibly exist.

 

[justaway12]

@Rialdo: I don't even think some characters appered in sports games with some others.
And remember, their heights are wildly inconsistent.

 

[REL38]

@Rialdo: I don't even think some characters appered in sports games with some others.
And remember, their heights are wildly inconsistent.

The chart seems to be based off of spin-off games so we can't really use it anyways :/

 

[Nova9000]

It doesn't matter. I found what DK really is but it has no merit since JOE! convinced people that he's bigger than that. But DK isn't dumb because of his size. Heck, look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZncKyPwiZMA&feature=related @ 7:15
Doesn't take rocket science to notice danger.

But JOE's height is realistic for a silverback. In fact, let me do a little math here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_gorilla#Description
Males reach 5'8" and have an armspan of 7'7" on average.
The tallest recorded is 6'4".
Set up a proportion...
avg. height: 68 in
avg. arm span: 91 in
tallest height: 76 in
*grabs Beren calcluator*

His armspan should be relative to 101.71 in.
Or 8' 5.71".
If their average arm span is as tall as Yao Ming, he has Mr. Fantastic reach in theory.

Now this is a greatsword.

Note that the sword is almost as tall as him.
And IIRC, greatswords are generally two-handed. But DK's reach still covers more than the sword itself.

I see this playing out as DK rushes to Roy and Roy stabs DK with the momentum. To retialiate, DK goes for Roy's head while being stabbed. Roy gets his head pounded in but DK is stabbed severely and dies; a draw in lamest terms. But a few other things have to be noted...

-If DK backs off after being stabbed, he would have to rush back in. But since he knows now what Roy can do with the sword, he knows to avoid it. So to fight him again, he could decide to use both hands and attack him. If Roy hits his front, DK gets to squeeze his temples. If Roy hits one of the arms, the other gives him a concussion.

-If Roy decides to sidestep DK while charging and hold his blade outward, Dk's chest is catching a brutal slash. But, if DK clotheslines him, Roy has to choose to deflect.

-Let's also not exaggerate Roy's reflexes. I doubt he has the relfexes in FE in RL, but he is above the normal human reaction time. I say that in which he can't just decide to dodge, duck, roll, ect. EVERYTHING. He will be hit by something.

All in all, I see this as a draw. DK's range is too overwhelming for Roy, but Roy does have his sword to punish any efforts DK tries. But from the looks, DK will tank it enough to kill Roy for his actions. And if any1 disagrees, then read my sig and find a way for it to happen (Thx Toc ).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy's sword isn't as big as that sword... For a great sword, it's actually pretty small. <_<

 

[JOE!]

roy doesnt have that sword, his sword is this:

notice how comparitivley short it is to a great sword.

Also, you are giving DK waaaaaayyyyyyyy too much arm length. The arm-span is a measure of fingertip to fingertip if they held their arms out to the sides, like a wingspan is measured.

DK would have an arm that is 5foot or more

@Marthage:

they went extinct due to climate change most likley

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Roy can still just cut off DK's arm if he extends it at him.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy's got a pretty big cape I'm noticing. Wouldn't DK somehow be able to put that in Roy's disadvantage?

 

[JOE!]

Roy's got a pretty big cape I'm noticing. Wouldn't DK somehow be able to put that in Roy's disadvantage?

if he can get behind roy, and grab it without being swung at, sure.

but thats not likley as Roy would allways try to put his business end (sword) between him and the ape

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Roy's got a pretty big cape I'm noticing. Wouldn't DK somehow be able to put that in Roy's disadvantage?

I guess he could grab the cape or something but I think it would rip off before he could actually do something