JOE!
Smash Hero
no, its actually aroudn Roy's neck...look at the picture.
With DK's strength it would be like if you grabbed a small dog's leash and swung it around your head a few times...
but, thats IF he can get behind Roy
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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
- Thread starter JOE!
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With DK's strength it would be like if you grabbed a small dog's leash and swung it around your head a few times...
but, thats IF he can get behind Roy
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
capes are useless they add weight and lessen your movements why do people even use them?
Adum said he had a greatsword, which is a two-hander.
Thx for knocking my attempt to fail Roy
This is from left to right mind you, not just one arm.
So my proportion is reasonable.
Capes are supposed to be cool, but every1 who wears them dies.
This is why we Saiyans aren't seen with them.
Haven't you seen the Impossibles lol?
JOE!
Smash Hero
Batman wears a cape.
anywho, i thought you were infering that his reach was 8ft from the whole "Mr Fantastic" thing, but meh. As for that sword, how is that making him worse?
anywho, i thought you were infering that his reach was 8ft from the whole "Mr Fantastic" thing, but meh. As for that sword, how is that making him worse?
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
That's a two handed sword. He has to hold it with two hands, That limits his agility in a sense. And with a one hand sword he can actually aim better. Plus the two sword's weight will come in effect. It will take a bit longer to actually swing his sword, but when it does hit the force is going to cut through DK's flesh. All in all, I vote tie. But oh well...
Saiyaman was a failure in so many ways. He mocks what a true Saiyan represents.
Who did Saiyaman actually beat anyway? Gohan was soft when he grew up so I don't claim him.
REL38
Smash Lord
This match is hardly a tie just cuz the other side won't give.
Roy has the upperhand wherelse DK is easily punished for approaching.
Roy can properly space and dodge/counter any on-coming attacks.
DK has a lame physique. That only leaves DK far more open to Roy's attacks.
The only reason this has been up for so long is cuz JOE won't let it end.
Roy has the upperhand wherelse DK is easily punished for approaching.
Roy can properly space and dodge/counter any on-coming attacks.
DK has a lame physique. That only leaves DK far more open to Roy's attacks.
The only reason this has been up for so long is cuz JOE won't let it end.
Guessing you ignored what I've been posting but if you say so.
xepherthree
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-lols at JOEs BS-
I'mma put it this way.
ACCORDING TO JOE DK is SO STRONG he can OHKO just about EVERYONE even if he hits a SWORD they're holding. Strong as a train, perhaps?
So, taking roy's masterful spacing ability into consideration, this MU IS like Roy vs. Train. Yeah, if Roy gets hit, he's done for, BUT TRAINS RUN ON TRACKS :D Due to this, the train is easy to see coming. With roy's CULTURALLY STANDARD nobility training, dodging DK is as easy as dodging a train.
Over exaggerated, yes, but the same in concept.
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-lols at JOEs BS-
I'mma put it this way.
ACCORDING TO JOE DK is SO STRONG he can OHKO just about EVERYONE even if he hits a SWORD they're holding. Strong as a train, perhaps?
So, taking roy's masterful spacing ability into consideration, this MU IS like Roy vs. Train. Yeah, if Roy gets hit, he's done for, BUT TRAINS RUN ON TRACKS :D Due to this, the train is easy to see coming. With roy's CULTURALLY STANDARD nobility training, dodging DK is as easy as dodging a train.
Over exaggerated, yes, but the same in concept.
lol, I know how US and adum feel in the bowser vs. ganon MU
No, Just No.
it's like the slaves you'll NEVER understand how we felt. never understand what we went through
It's not that necessarily. Dk has a 8 ft arm span so Dk can reach Roy's head while being stabbed. He squeezes his head and Roy stabs DK.
I tried 2 defend them in tht MU.
wingspan is from tip to tip not just one arm.
with spacing and a sword as long as/longer than DK's arm he's screwed.
what part of "he's screwed" do you not understand?
I said it wrong.
I know it's from tip to tip.
But 8 feet? How long is Roy's sword?
again you're slipping on your words.
you're talking about the wingspan.
his arm would be >3.5ft.?
somebody told me about arm length in this thread but I already forgot
not an 8ft arm wtf?
and swords are usually 4+ feet blade, 1-1.5ft handle. (greatsword)
forgot the measurements for a rapier and I'm too lazy to go to wikipedia since I'm proxying a deck
again you're slipping on your words.
you're talking about the wingspan.
his arm would be >3.5ft.?
somebody told me about arm length in this thread but I already forgot
not an 8ft arm wtf?
and swords are usually 4+ feet blade, 1-1.5ft handle. (greatsword)
forgot the measurements for a rapier and I'm too lazy to go to wikipedia since I'm proxying a deck
Hmph. forgot the hilt to consider on the sword
Well so much for tryin to save DK.
and Roy's Arms.
Hmph. forgot the hilt to consider on the sword
Well so much for tryin to save DK.
it isn't like the sword is connected to his body or anything.
REL38
Smash Lord
@Nova
The fact you're not necessarily using these proportions, but rather assuming they're that of a Silverback to make things work out. As well as rushing when DK can't. Ignoring DK being top heavy which would make any attack laggy. Even using Subspace as a source for knowing danger. His actual height being uncertain.
DK has more blatant disadvantages than Roy.
This is really all just rather trite tbh
The fact you're not necessarily using these proportions, but rather assuming they're that of a Silverback to make things work out. As well as rushing when DK can't. Ignoring DK being top heavy which would make any attack laggy. Even using Subspace as a source for knowing danger. His actual height being uncertain.
DK has more blatant disadvantages than Roy.
This is really all just rather trite tbh
xepherthree
Smash Ace
^This
EVERYONE in TDB(including moi) rarely compares thing to what they really are, just what happens to fit their needs.
I bring Yoshi vs. Weegee:
Nova compared Yoshi's tongue to some salamander's that moves at **** ******** speeds. Was that realistic?
no
Bowser vs. Ganon
US compared Bowser to a turtle, so he "can't make quick movements without damging his spine" or something like that.
Was that realistic? Not really.
no
BOWSER IS A F****** KOOPA GOD DAMMIT!
DK was just phailed.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Ok, I feel that I haven't fully explained why DK fails, so time to do it properly.
The Arm: Based on Joe's estimates, DK's arm length is greater then that of a greatsword plus Roy's armlength. Now keep in mind that the average 15 year old male has an arm length of 2.5 feet. Also, his greatsword has a reach of 5 feet. That means that DK has to have an arm length of 7.5 feet. Mountain gorillas (the constant example) can have an armspan of 7.7 feet. Armspan is the length from the tip of one hand to another when both arms are parallel to the ground and at the person's/animal's side. Because that includes the shoulders, a mountain gorilla has an arm length of less then half the required figure, meaning that DK has arms TWICE as long as a mountain Gorilla. Furthermore, comparing to mountain gorillas his arms are unnaturally broad and muscular meaning they'll be extremely heavy.
Shoulders: Nothing much to say here, DK has unnaturally broad shoulders compared to any primate.
Stomach: The most important thing is the absence of something. Note that a mountain gorilla has an extremely large stomach. DK on the other hand, has very little stomach to speak of.
Legs: Again, absence is the issue, all of his incarnations, save one, have EXTREMELY short legs relative to other gorilla species (the easy example being the mountain gorilla).
Where am I going with this?
DK is retardedly top-heavy.
As I explained before, this SEVERELY hampers his movement, prevents him from throwing effectively, and slows down his attacks. He literally is UNABLE to stand on his hind legs because his top his so heavy.
DK's proportions are totally unrealistic for any variation of Gorilla, and are stupidly top-heavy, making him (relative to what he was as a gorilla) lol-phail.
The Arm: Based on Joe's estimates, DK's arm length is greater then that of a greatsword plus Roy's armlength. Now keep in mind that the average 15 year old male has an arm length of 2.5 feet. Also, his greatsword has a reach of 5 feet. That means that DK has to have an arm length of 7.5 feet. Mountain gorillas (the constant example) can have an armspan of 7.7 feet. Armspan is the length from the tip of one hand to another when both arms are parallel to the ground and at the person's/animal's side. Because that includes the shoulders, a mountain gorilla has an arm length of less then half the required figure, meaning that DK has arms TWICE as long as a mountain Gorilla. Furthermore, comparing to mountain gorillas his arms are unnaturally broad and muscular meaning they'll be extremely heavy.
Shoulders: Nothing much to say here, DK has unnaturally broad shoulders compared to any primate.
Stomach: The most important thing is the absence of something. Note that a mountain gorilla has an extremely large stomach. DK on the other hand, has very little stomach to speak of.
Legs: Again, absence is the issue, all of his incarnations, save one, have EXTREMELY short legs relative to other gorilla species (the easy example being the mountain gorilla).
Where am I going with this?
DK is retardedly top-heavy.
As I explained before, this SEVERELY hampers his movement, prevents him from throwing effectively, and slows down his attacks. He literally is UNABLE to stand on his hind legs because his top his so heavy.
DK's proportions are totally unrealistic for any variation of Gorilla, and are stupidly top-heavy, making him (relative to what he was as a gorilla) lol-phail.
Sieguest
Smash Master
My own tangents...
Ho, it should take more than a climate change to stop them if they were as... agile as you made their video game companion DK, the reason they failed was because they were physically incapable of enduring the ongoing sands of time...
Because they're cool, they don't seem to hinder movement to me though...
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JOE!
Smash Hero
Sabre tooth cats were more agile than Giganto, and they went extict. Climate change means the environment changes. If the Giant ape loses it's food source due to the plant life changing to fit the weather, they cannot support a healthy population, which then leads to cascading failure as other factors (homo erectus taking over their habitats, predators taking what few young they had, etc) to put the final nail in the coffin.
@adum:
Did you even aknowledge that he may be a Gigantopithicus? he has Orang liek structure, and is big as hell. Giganto's closest relative is the Orang, and were big as hell...most likley sharing features of the orangs such as BIG arms.
As for the sword, look at 2 pages prior, it shows the sword Roy wields, and it is by no means a greatsword.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
His build is all wrong for that, the torso is too short, the shoulders are too broad, the arms are too wide.
Gigantopithicus were pretty close to human-shape, DK is NOTHING like that.
Yes, I did.
You guys used artwork... Canon is in-game. In-game, it fits the proportions of a greatsword (as long as you keep in mind that Roy is unusually tall, he's not singifigantly shorter then any of the adult males in-game).
Sieguest
Smash Master
No way to accurately determine how DK will move other than speculation, and speculation isn't cutting it so far.
This is from the largest specification of Gigantopithecus, again uncertainty, so it still can't justify DKs movement... without mere speculations of the jaw bone and while they may get an idea, it's nothing hard and merely speculative.
The other relatively talked about specification of Gigantopithecus. Only half the size of the before mentioned specification and still falls under the reason the Gigantopithecus idea falls in a hole anyway, no way to determine movement than through mere speculation with a small amount to go off of...
Climate change isn't the only thing, they were also physically outdone...
All quotes came from the Wikipedia article on Gigantopithecus.
JOE!
Smash Hero
i never said it was only climate change, I even said this in the post up a few. It was most likley the main factor as it changed plant life, which then made them unfit to compete with other species in the environment.
Mario bros and Wario have too big of a head compared to RL people, so do the mother boys, they fail
Pit's limbs have popeye syndrome, he is now fail
Ganon is too tall to be healthy due to the way humans attain such heights, he has bone problems and pituitary issues. At his age he should be nigh immobile.
Peache's skull is all sorts of messed up. her eye sockets and jawbone are all screwey, so she may be malnutritioned and have odd vision.
snake is a cloned super-soldier. Not really feasable as of today, is it?
Space Animals dont exist
etc, etc.
to allieviate this blatant issue, we use the closest thing we can. A strangley relavent example is actually diddy Kong, who is said to be a chimp, but cannot be as his anatomy is wrong, and is more like a large baboon/monkey. DK has the wrong proportions to be a Gorilla, and is more liek a big, bulky orang, which is what Gigantopithicus is hypothosized to be like, as their closest relative is the Orangutan. I dont know where you got human shape from...
http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/gigantopithecus.JPG
Shows DK-esque proportions, except body length...yet in DKC he has this, and in the original DK
http://pythacli.chez-alice.fr/recent25/Gigantopithecus.jpg
vs
http://nintendome.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/donkey_kong_flier.jpg
vs
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/donkey-kong.jpg
vs
http://www.mywii.com.au/img/game/large/Donkey-Kong-Country-3.jpg
it seems DK may be a tad more balanced than you let on, and his most recent appearance seems to ditch the odd proportions (except a large noggin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_VSNK1LQSk (it is technically canon, as it is nintendo, and doesnt exactly go against anything as he's really a surprise last match, not an easter-egg or such)
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so official artwork doesnt count? OK, so anything involving pixel limitations must be counted due to other media besides the games not being useable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGR1ESTiNoc
not only is this roy's way of fighting as we can apparently only take crap STRAIGHT from the games now, but it shows that due to that sword being the one he will use at it is from the game, thus canon, that it is friggen bigger than himself.
well, if you want then *cracks knuckles*
Mario bros and Wario have too big of a head compared to RL people, so do the mother boys, they fail
Pit's limbs have popeye syndrome, he is now fail
Ganon is too tall to be healthy due to the way humans attain such heights, he has bone problems and pituitary issues. At his age he should be nigh immobile.
Peache's skull is all sorts of messed up. her eye sockets and jawbone are all screwey, so she may be malnutritioned and have odd vision.
snake is a cloned super-soldier. Not really feasable as of today, is it?
Space Animals dont exist
etc, etc.
to allieviate this blatant issue, we use the closest thing we can. A strangley relavent example is actually diddy Kong, who is said to be a chimp, but cannot be as his anatomy is wrong, and is more like a large baboon/monkey. DK has the wrong proportions to be a Gorilla, and is more liek a big, bulky orang, which is what Gigantopithicus is hypothosized to be like, as their closest relative is the Orangutan. I dont know where you got human shape from...
http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/gigantopithecus.JPG
Shows DK-esque proportions, except body length...yet in DKC he has this, and in the original DK
http://pythacli.chez-alice.fr/recent25/Gigantopithecus.jpg
vs
http://nintendome.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/donkey_kong_flier.jpg
vs
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/donkey-kong.jpg
vs
http://www.mywii.com.au/img/game/large/Donkey-Kong-Country-3.jpg
it seems DK may be a tad more balanced than you let on, and his most recent appearance seems to ditch the odd proportions (except a large noggin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_VSNK1LQSk (it is technically canon, as it is nintendo, and doesnt exactly go against anything as he's really a surprise last match, not an easter-egg or such)
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so official artwork doesnt count? OK, so anything involving pixel limitations must be counted due to other media besides the games not being useable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGR1ESTiNoc
not only is this roy's way of fighting as we can apparently only take crap STRAIGHT from the games now, but it shows that due to that sword being the one he will use at it is from the game, thus canon, that it is friggen bigger than himself.
REL38
Smash Lord
The origins of a character and/or their weaponry should never be put up to question.
If that were the case, then Samus is dead. Link can't get his sword.
Snake is a human soldier. Cloned or not, his existence is very feasible.
Mario characters and Mother Boys are humans.
You cannot deny that. They are human.
Donkey Kong is an unspecified "ape". His proportions are subject to question due to not knowing what kind of ape he actually is.
DK's appearance is hardly canon in Punch-Out.
Rather a cameo.
Just like Mario referee'n the original Punch-Out.
If that were the case, then Samus is dead. Link can't get his sword.
Snake is a human soldier. Cloned or not, his existence is very feasible.
Mario characters and Mother Boys are humans.
You cannot deny that. They are human.
Donkey Kong is an unspecified "ape". His proportions are subject to question due to not knowing what kind of ape he actually is.
DK's appearance is hardly canon in Punch-Out.
Rather a cameo.
Just like Mario referee'n the original Punch-Out.
Well DK is a gorilla. A rather big gorilla.@Nova
The fact you're not necessarily using these proportions, but rather assuming they're that of a Silverback to make things work out. As well as rushing when DK can't. Ignoring DK being top heavy which would make any attack laggy. Even using Subspace as a source for knowing danger. His actual height being uncertain.
DK has more blatant disadvantages than Roy.
This is really all just rather trite tbh
If we took DK into RL he would be classified as a Silverback, unless you wanna call him something else in the animal kingdom.
I'm not even referring to the MU any longer. Roy wins.
But that doesn't mean I can't save DK from lolphail.
I made a reasonable proportion for the ICs as well since we also don't know their height.
And the #s I got were from Wiki as well which is what I based it off of.
Don't make my claims for DK's size that far fetched. At least I'm offering some type of solution rather than keeping him at
height.
Unlike Diddy, Snake, ect. where we conviently have RL versions of them to compare to, Yoshi, Bowser, and apparently now DK, we don't.
I tried to relate all 3 to animals in RL since we don't have RL Yoshis, Bowsers, and apparently DKs.
But don't knock me for trying to do so.
Yoshi is a dinosaur, which is terrible lizard. Lizards are known for their tongues. So maybe Yoshi could do more with his tongue. Maybe. But I was "eloquently" bashed for tht idea like I always am.
Bowser is a Koopa, but I don't even want to bring that back up or I might pull a Beren.
DK is an gorilla, but apparently fails because he has big arms and can't be considered a silverback.
I didn't know that comparing things to RL meant favoritism but then again I don't know how to do much but support fail characters I guess
Everyone join in on the Nova bashing.
I love how Saiyans enjoy a beatdown and comeback stronger.
Anyway, this is mostly based off of JOE!'s theories and my earlier mistakes about the MU.
He's top heavy, but not Galleom by any means.
You need a pudgy stomach to justify your lower body?
And I agree on the legs. But DK would be on all 4s most of the time and can move one arm while using the other to hold himself up.
Again, I'm saying this not for this MU but for future DK MUs.
In the meantime I'm just gonna spam pics.
Yea...thinkin it's about time to go back to robbing again.
Galick Gun, anyone?
Galick Gun, anyone?
justaway12
Smash Master
The thing about the original DK is that it isn't Donkey Kong, it was actually Cranky kong, Donkey Kong as actually DK Jr. at that time, just sayin'
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
^^you serious?
justaway12
Smash Master
Yes, quite, I've known for a long time, but I'd never thought I would say it.
Sanke says it in Brawl while taking to the colonel and it also says here
Sanke says it in Brawl while taking to the colonel and it also says here
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Then that would make mario like 63?
justaway12
Smash Master
What? Where did you get that? Mario started out in 1981, and DK is described as "slightly younger" than Mario
You know, you should watch what you mean to say.
As if I can talk...
I had sources and apparently turtle traits are not realistic to you.
That's ********.
and wtf... like half of the characters we make comparisons so we can figure out what they are but when one is losing we have to say "oh but he isn't that"
that's BS right there.
JOE!
Smash Hero
dude, bowser has like 2 turtle esque traits, then it goes downhill from there as nothign but like his shell is turtle-esque.
anywho, as for wtf DK is:
He is either a giant gorilla, with odd features. Or he is a Gigantopithicus, which is currently being bashed as they are extinct, yet the space animals, sonic, and yoshi had no qualms being put in MUs...
anywho, as for wtf DK is:
He is either a giant gorilla, with odd features. Or he is a Gigantopithicus, which is currently being bashed as they are extinct, yet the space animals, sonic, and yoshi had no qualms being put in MUs...
oh and so DK has more than 2 gorilla traits and he isn't one.
wtf?
Pikachu looks nothing like a mouse and you say he is.
squirtle looks nothing at all like a turtle and you say he is.
Lucario isn't a jackal but you say he is.
and if you bull**** about the internet I LOOKED UP WHAT BOWSER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND MULTIPLE PLACES SAY TURTLE.
you're just ****ing up info.
you're just ****ing up info.
REL38
Smash Lord
Bowser's no turtle.
That's true.
We were okay with DK being a gorilla but then . . .
Spacies are allowed to exist cuz they're body structure are human with animal traits.
Their physical appearance is okay and their anatomy is ignored for good reason.
Sawnik and Yoish are fail.
justaway12
Smash Master
45 =/= 63
That's a difference of almost 20 years, you know.
Nobody really knows how old he is, I was just being fussy about it.
REL38
Smash Lord
Personally, I blame continuity errors.
Mario never ages according to Nintendo
Pauline should be 40 some years old as well, but she's not in Mario VS DK
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Look, the major reason why we're not treating DK as a gorilla is (as you pointed out) his physical traits are drastically different from a gorilla that we simply CAN'T, that goes double for the extinct one you presented, it's just FAR TOO DIFFERENT.
Now, if somebody could prove that he actually was a gorilla, then we could toss out his lol-phail attributes as unrealistic for a gorilla, but somebody convinced everyone that he was nothing like a gorilla.
Now, if somebody could prove that he actually was a gorilla, then we could toss out his lol-phail attributes as unrealistic for a gorilla, but somebody convinced everyone that he was nothing like a gorilla.
JOE!
Smash Hero
for that matter, we dont know the time frame that the games took place in.
For all we know DKC couldve taken place in the far future, etc, etc...
@sam:
when have I ever stated those guys to be those things? Ive been the biggest pusher of them being "pokemon" not their "equivalents".
bowser has nothing but a **** shell to relate to being a turtle, and even that is iffy as if he is really a super-koopa, their shells arent exactly attached...
anyways, why we even make comparisons like this is to get a basis on what exactly the characters could do, whithout having to do messy guesswork that can lead to shennanigans. in the case of DK, we have either a gorilla or a Giganto to compare him to...
For all we know DKC couldve taken place in the far future, etc, etc...
@sam:
when have I ever stated those guys to be those things? Ive been the biggest pusher of them being "pokemon" not their "equivalents".
bowser has nothing but a **** shell to relate to being a turtle, and even that is iffy as if he is really a super-koopa, their shells arent exactly attached...
anyways, why we even make comparisons like this is to get a basis on what exactly the characters could do, whithout having to do messy guesswork that can lead to shennanigans. in the case of DK, we have either a gorilla or a Giganto to compare him to...