Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Another question just poped in my mind. How did you put Giga Bowser in the real world if Melee wasn't canon?
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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
- Thread starter JOE!
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JOE!
Smash Hero
what does this have to do with anything?
And Ray, why listen to Rel when ive been saying waht he's said this whole time?
Salem
Smash Champion
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
He explained himself, you didn't.
JOE!
Smash Hero
*point's to Ray's symbol*
you really basing your ideas on this?
i also have a giant ****ing yoshi as my avatar, why hasnt yoshi been winning? o_O
RAY, hwo didnt I explain myself?
what i said (just not in 1 post) was this:
Giga Bowser was in melee.
Ganon (beast) is not in smash other than as an attack, so he techically isnt a smash character.
We only use characters from smash, but use their games as backdrops for some thigns
payasofobia
Smash Champion
The Bowser argument is stupid because:
Nintendo
Can't
Decide
How
Big
He
Is
And if Nintendo took the liberties to change a character who looks like this canonicaly:
And make it into this:
Or make bowser have a super transformation:
And make characters like Ike, who are canonicaly EXTREMELY FAST, slow and sluggish, then I don't ****ing care about how HAL laboratories visualized the Ice Climbers.
Smash is not canon. And it isn't how the original creators visualized them.
JOE!
Smash Hero
thats exactly why i made bowser 10ft, its an average of all his appearances....
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
He's usually 7 feet..
JOE!
Smash Hero
dude, learn to read.
I said ALL APPEARANCES
this includes when hes liek 30-40ft as well.
what made him around 10 is that those are only in a handful, where mostly he is liek 3x the height of Mario.
I said ALL APPEARANCES
this includes when hes liek 30-40ft as well.
what made him around 10 is that those are only in a handful, where mostly he is liek 3x the height of Mario.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Looking at all those pictures paya posted, I'd have to agree with Ray. I'd say 8ft actually, Considering I think mario is about 4ft IRL Bowser is generally twice the size of him.
I'd say bowser is twice the height of mario.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Yeah. that's ok,
Anyway, they also gave Pit a dividing bow that divides into 2 parts.
He NEVER had those things.
And about the bomb argument:
The bomb clearly expels fire (sparks), just like byzantine bombs.
JOE!, close the Icey's disscusion. They won.
Anyway, they also gave Pit a dividing bow that divides into 2 parts.
He NEVER had those things.
And about the bomb argument:
The bomb clearly expels fire (sparks), just like byzantine bombs.
JOE!, close the Icey's disscusion. They won.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
The main problem Bowser has to deal with Ganon is that overall, Ganon has some of the most muscle, power, and overall combat capabilities as i've seen in just about any major VG villain. The Problem for Ganon? Bowser is as heavy as f*ck and is virtually invincible to just about anything Ganon could throw at him in that shell of his. If we asume Boswer plays on the defensive, then strikes when Ganon is getting worn down, I REALLY don't think Ganon could stand too much of a chance. When real is real, Bowser just wins, hide and "klaw".
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
I know what you said. Bowser's usually 7 feet in most of his games.
Salem
Smash Champion
Hiding in his shell will get him stabbed up while inside it.
And only a dumb ganon would do any of what you said. >_>
Memorable_Random_Guy
Smash Journeyman
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Anyway, JOE!, close the IC's disscusion. I am pretty sure they won already. Just make the decision official with...I don't know, a huge message or something?
Really, this old MU disscusion really makes it annoying for the people that are dusscusing the MU that matters: Bowser vs Ganon.
Really, this old MU disscusion really makes it annoying for the people that are dusscusing the MU that matters: Bowser vs Ganon.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Remember about the strenght argument in the CF vs ZSS MU?
Remember speed for tone andweight for bulk?
Body builders have weight because of their huge bodies:
Athletes got speed because of tone:
But what happens when you combine weight and tone?
Meet the olympic weight lifters. These guys got speed because of tone AND weight because of their fat.
Ganondorf got that physique.
He has enough strenght to kill Bowser in one well-placed hit in the head.
Remember speed for tone andweight for bulk?
Body builders have weight because of their huge bodies:
Athletes got speed because of tone:
But what happens when you combine weight and tone?
Meet the olympic weight lifters. These guys got speed because of tone AND weight because of their fat.
Ganondorf got that physique.
He has enough strenght to kill Bowser in one well-placed hit in the head.
JOE!
Smash Hero
nobody doubted Ganon was a powerhouse Paya 
what we need for him is options other than rather situational stuff for fighting bowser
what we need for him is options other than rather situational stuff for fighting bowser
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
So, would that mean he's both fast and strong in real (TP Ganon)?Remember about the strenght argument in the CF vs ZSS MU?
Remember speed for tone andweight for bulk?
Body builders have weight because of their huge bodies:
Athletes got speed because of tone:
But what happens when you take a person with this physique? Who has both weight AND speed?
Meet the olympic weight lifters. These guys got tone AND bulk because of their fat.
Ganondorf got that physique.
He has enough strenght to kill Bowser in one well-placed hit in the head.
Salem
Smash Champion
...nobody doubted Ganon was a powerhouse Paya
what we need for him is options other than rather situational stuff for fighting bowser
Both have situational stuff, whatever they do is situational.
Now give us our scenary please.
It would help.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Yes, but you are all UNDERSTIMATING his strenhgt.
These guys are very, VERY strong. Mad strong. And can still move pretty ****ing fast.
Several football players have the same physique as ganon and can run 40 yards in less than 5 seconds.
Real Ganon is as monstrous as his game counterpart.
These guys are very, VERY strong. Mad strong. And can still move pretty ****ing fast.
Several football players have the same physique as ganon and can run 40 yards in less than 5 seconds.
Real Ganon is as monstrous as his game counterpart.
paya stop posting, ur only 97 away from tying.
I have nothing to say on current MU just waitin for M2 vs. Falco.
look this isn't going to end until we get some definite weight and height measurements.
Bowser's fire isn't going to melt TP ganon's armor.
close range is all he has. Since RL Plated Armor =/= weighed down Ganon isn't going to be slow at all, Bowser's main forms of attack are claws and teeth.
ganondorf can get in headshots with effective stabs pretty fast RL <---big word here.
Bowser, IDK about opposable thumbs so grabbing would be an issue.
all he has left is swiping.
ganondorf has a sword and armor, bowser has flesh and claw.
okay maybe I did have something to say but that isn't the point, I want this thing done.
I have nothing to say on current MU just waitin for M2 vs. Falco.
look this isn't going to end until we get some definite weight and height measurements.
Bowser's fire isn't going to melt TP ganon's armor.
close range is all he has. Since RL Plated Armor =/= weighed down Ganon isn't going to be slow at all, Bowser's main forms of attack are claws and teeth.
ganondorf can get in headshots with effective stabs pretty fast RL <---big word here.
Bowser, IDK about opposable thumbs so grabbing would be an issue.
all he has left is swiping.
ganondorf has a sword and armor, bowser has flesh and claw.
okay maybe I did have something to say but that isn't the point, I want this thing done.
JOE!
Smash Hero
fire wont melt his armor, but he has cloth and exposed parts of him that can be effected.
Claws and swipes yes, but consider bowser's ....hand? is the size of ganon's torso
Claws and swipes yes, but consider bowser's ....hand? is the size of ganon's torso
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Ah, I see. And to think that he's able to wear plated armor on top of this. Imagine him without it, he'd be able to do everything so freely.
OMFG a cape, that's sooooo important right now.
huge exaggeration. If Ganon is 9ft (which from LoZ is true) and bowser is somewhere between 7-10ft, how can his claws be the size of his torso?
JOE!
Smash Hero
i thought Ganon was 7'1"ish?
anywho, Bowser was consolidated to 10ft....guys, read past MUs....thats why i state "same stats as previous matches" in the OP <_<
anywho, Bowser was consolidated to 10ft....guys, read past MUs....thats why i state "same stats as previous matches" in the OP <_<
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Plated armor has never been heavy.
30 pounds on the top and 25 pounds around the bottom. That's 55 pounds.
But take a second look at ganon:
He only has armour on the top of his body. His legs and arms are almost completely free. His speed is not going to be hindered in any way by the armour, because he has none. And the armor can't weight more than 30 punds.
He is strong AND fast.
Still, if Bowser manages to hit him....its game over.
And I cannot prove that a flexible Bowser doesn't have the same physical advantages as ganon....
30 pounds on the top and 25 pounds around the bottom. That's 55 pounds.
But take a second look at ganon:
He only has armour on the top of his body. His legs and arms are almost completely free. His speed is not going to be hindered in any way by the armour, because he has none. And the armor can't weight more than 30 punds.
He is strong AND fast.
Still, if Bowser manages to hit him....its game over.
And I cannot prove that a flexible Bowser doesn't have the same physical advantages as ganon....
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Bowser has opposable thumbs. Look at the angle of his "index finger" compared to his thumb.
And you can clearly see he is holding the godforsaken blue shell with his thumbs.
EDIT: OMG
WOOOW
It wasn't that big on google & I didn't change it because my mom called me
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg Huuuuuge Page Streeeetch!!!!!!
REL38
Smash Lord
Changing Bowser's size is completely different in this case.
No matter how big you make him, he's still relatively the same age.
The alteration of the Climbers size is a big change that can make them either:
a) children
b) adults
The IC's were portrayed as children in Smash.
In Ice Climbers, the IC's were small, not quite as tall as Polar bears, smaller vegetables, as big as a condor and almost the same size as a bird.
What's the end result based souly on the IC's game?
We can make the climbers into kids or adults.
The sizing is so loosely considered back in the NES days that it didn't play much any role.
But when they had to size them into Smash, they put em' as kids.
So what do we have?
Their game where nothing was sized in a logical manner thusly allowing their size unknown
Smash where they are shown as children
Say what you want, but if we've been giving certain aspects found in Brawl to characters in these MU's, then the IC's should be considered children as their age is set in stone.
Bowser's height differs, but it's still the same Bowser.
Making the IC's into adults makes the ones in Brawl completely different characters and thusly not even the same.
We're taking the characters from Smash where the IC's are depicted as children.
That's pretty much it.
Even if they were "supposed" to be adults in their game, they're kids in Smash.
So we gotta go with kids.
No matter how big you make him, he's still relatively the same age.
The alteration of the Climbers size is a big change that can make them either:
a) children
b) adults
The IC's were portrayed as children in Smash.
In Ice Climbers, the IC's were small, not quite as tall as Polar bears, smaller vegetables, as big as a condor and almost the same size as a bird.
What's the end result based souly on the IC's game?
We can make the climbers into kids or adults.
The sizing is so loosely considered back in the NES days that it didn't play much any role.
But when they had to size them into Smash, they put em' as kids.
So what do we have?
Their game where nothing was sized in a logical manner thusly allowing their size unknown
Smash where they are shown as children
Say what you want, but if we've been giving certain aspects found in Brawl to characters in these MU's, then the IC's should be considered children as their age is set in stone.
Bowser's height differs, but it's still the same Bowser.
Making the IC's into adults makes the ones in Brawl completely different characters and thusly not even the same.
We're taking the characters from Smash where the IC's are depicted as children.
That's pretty much it.
Even if they were "supposed" to be adults in their game, they're kids in Smash.
So we gotta go with kids.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Goddammit, Fix Iiiiiit
JOE!
Smash Hero
hed be slower movement wise...but his swpies and actual attacks would be devestaingly fast
however, why move when you have a giant hunk of armor covering most of you, tons of spikes and big claws?
however, why move when you have a giant hunk of armor covering most of you, tons of spikes and big claws?
Massive Pictures are massive.
anyway ganondorf:
the legs are probably leather with an inner layer of chainmail. same goes for the other limbs.
his armor is like:
undershirt,
Chainmail/dragonmail,
lacquer leather,
Plating
vs.
scutes and scales
all made of keratin.
anyway ganondorf:
the legs are probably leather with an inner layer of chainmail. same goes for the other limbs.
his armor is like:
undershirt,
Chainmail/dragonmail,
lacquer leather,
Plating
vs.
scutes and scales
all made of keratin.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
JOE!, permission to spam so that we reach the next page faster.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Double post for necessity.
JOE!
Smash Hero
okay paya,
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Very well.
JOE!
Smash Hero
spam your heart out
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Double post....mods, I am doing this for the sake of the thread.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Does it bother you that much?