TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[Sephiroths Masamune]

let me give you a scenario:

Bowser and Gannon are standing at least 100 yards away (giving them enough time to plan attack/defense strategies. Gannon charges up to Bowser. Bowser blocks by hitting his sword away with his arm. cutting him slightly but giving him enough time to follow up with a counter attack. Which is worth the wound. Bowser slashes with his claws and rips off Gannon's breastplate. Gannon surprised about the speed of the giant reptile retreats to come up with a better strategy.

This time Gannon does a horizontal swing with his Sword thinking that even though Bowser has a great defense he wouldn't be able to dodge because of his enormous size. He was correct, he get's a clean hit and draws blood. Not much of a wound but blood none the less. Bowser now infuriated goes on the offensive. He blocks the next slash by quickly turning around. The sword clashes with Bowser's shell. Turning around again (which exhausts him extremely) he starts a ramming position with his head, Bowser starts to sprint at Gannon with as much power as he can.

Gannon surprised by this measure is caught off guard. But he jumps out of the way swiftly with ease. Now Gannon angry that he hasn't done as much as scrape to the enormous beast he strikes with blinding speed to deliver a final blow. But it fails when Bowser grabs the sword. (severely harming his hands) Bowser opes his mouth and uses his trump card, and let's out a bellowing flame. Gannon then relies he either loses his life or his sword. He then lets the sword go and dodges the flame in the nic-of-time but at the expense of his sword he now has no offensive weapons other than a small dagger.

Bowser now out of fire, and a loss of strength in his hands, He now uses his shell as an offensive weapon. With enough force to kill a man (even without the spikes) strikes at Gannon. Gannon winded from his last attempts, musters all the strength he can to avoid the attack, he then jumps onto the shell and starts to climb. Bowser tries to shake him off but with no promise. Gannon is at the top of the shell now. Bowser tries to grab him and does but with his hands dripping with blood, they slip off of his feet and gives Gannon the perfect chance to plunge the dagger into the neck of his Reptilian enemy.

With Bowser now defeated Gannon now walks away from the intense battle, looking forward to the next chance to draw blood.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

let me give you a scenario:

Bowser and Gannon are standing at least 100 yards away (giving them enough time to plan attack/defense strategies. Gannon charges up to Bowser. Bowser blocks by hitting his sword away with his arm. cutting him slightly but giving him enough time to follow up with a counter attack. Which is worth the wound. Bowser slashes with his claws and rips off Gannon's breastplate. Gannon surprised about the speed of the giant reptile retreats to come up with a better strategy.

This time Gannon does a horizontal swing with his Sword thinking that even though Bowser has a great defense he wouldn't be able to dodge because of his enormous size. He was correct, he get's a clean hit and draws blood. Not much of a wound but blood none the less. Bowser now infuriated goes on the offensive. He blocks the next slash by quickly turning around. The sword clashes with Bowser's shell. Turning around again (which exhausts him extremely) he starts a ramming position with his head, Bowser starts to sprint at Gannon with as much power as he can.

Gannon surprised by this measure is caught off guard. But he jumps out of the way swiftly with ease. Now Gannon angry that he hasn't done as much as scrape to the enormous beast he strikes with blinding speed to deliver a final blow. But it fails when Bowser grabs the sword. (severely harming his hands) Bowser opes his mouth and uses his trump card, and let's out a bellowing flame. Gannon then relies he either loses his life or his sword. He then lets the sword go and dodges the flame in the nic-of-time but at the expense of his sword he now has no offensive weapons other than a small dagger.

Bowser now out of fire, and a loss of strength in his hands, He now uses his shell as an offensive weapon. With enough force to kill a man (even without the spikes) strikes at Gannon. Gannon winded from his last attempts, musters all the strength he can to avoid the attack, he then jumps onto the shell and starts to climb. Bowser tries to shake him off but with no promise. Gannon is at the top of the shell now. Bowser tries to grab him and does but with his hands dripping with blood, they slip off of his feet and gives Gannon the perfect chance to plunge the dagger into the neck of his Reptilian enemy.

With Bowser now defeated Gannon now walks away from the intense battle, looking forward to the next chance to draw blood.

Nicely summarized.

 

[REL38]

*interjects*

"As Ganon climbs onto his back, Bowser stands on his hind legs in effort to cause Ganon to lose grip, but to no avail. Ganon holds on and attempts to climb closer to the Koopa's neck with all his strength. But Bowser, out of desperation, pushes backwards on his hindlegs, resulting in him falling backwards. Ganon, surprised, attempts to use what strength he has left to bail, but his legs are utterly crushed and severed from the crushing force of Bowser's entire shell. Ganon wails in agony as Bowser flips himself over. Ganon makes a feeble atempt to fend off the monstrous turtle with his dagger, but all is in vain. Bowser dines on his new found meal and let's out a victorous roar.*

That's the end result. And where did her get a dagger?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

*interjects*

"As Ganon climbs onto his back, Bowser stands on his hind legs in effort to cause Ganon to lose grip, but to no avail. Ganon holds on and attempts to climb closer to the Koopa's neck with all his strength. But Bowser, out of desperation, pushes backwards on his hindlegs, resulting in him falling backwards. Ganon, surprised, attempts to use what strength he has left to bail, but his legs are utterly crushed and severed from the crushing force of Bowser's entire shell. Ganon wails in agony as Bowser flips himself over. Ganon makes a feeble atempt to fend off the monstrous turtle with his dagger, but all is in vain. Bowser dines on his new found meal and let's out a victorous roar.*

That's the end result. And where did her get a dagger?

he's a dark lord of evil he can manage a dagger.

 

[Rsflone]

yea theres 1 the other 999 fights Bowser pumels him, yea we could all come up with scenarios, but more often then not Bowser will win being he has more options.

No one said it wasn't possible just not plausible

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

yea theres 1 the other 999 Bowser pumels him, yea we could all come up with scenarios, but more often then not Bowser will win being he has more options.

No one said it wasn't possible just not plausible

I don't see Bowser doing anything that concerns him actually attacking he's more of a Defense kinda guy. And if Gannon plays Defensive (which isn't his style) he can just avoid and attack, Bowser is easily dead. How many of scenarios does Gannon have now what +1,000,000?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

*interjects*

"As Ganon climbs onto his back, Bowser stands on his hind legs in effort to cause Ganon to lose grip, but to no avail. Ganon holds on and attempts to climb closer to the Koopa's neck with all his strength. But Bowser, out of desperation, pushes backwards on his hindlegs, resulting in him falling backwards. Ganon, surprised, attempts to use what strength he has left to bail, but his legs are utterly crushed and severed from the crushing force of Bowser's entire shell. Ganon wails in agony as Bowser flips himself over. Ganon makes a feeble atempt to fend off the monstrous turtle with his dagger, but all is in vain. Bowser dines on his new found meal and let's out a victorous roar.*

That's the end result. And where did her get a dagger?

I'll give this a go.

But Bowser, out of desperation, pushes backwards on his hindlegs, resulting in him falling backwards.

Bowser manages to push Ganon off his back, but this hindered his own performance, results with Bowser tripping himself due to his enormous weight. Ganon manages to get back on his feet, while Bowser's still lying on the ground in pain trying to get up, Ganon finds this as the perfect moment to impale Bowser in his stomach.

 

[justaway12]

he's a dark lord of evil he can manage a dagger.

Did he use one in his games? I'm pretty sure that's how we give people weapons in this thread.

I also thinkthey get given it if it makes sense, it would make sense for the Ice Climbers to have Climbing equitment.

(Did we take the ICs stuff away?)

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Did he use one in his games? I'm pretty sure that's how we give people weapons in this thread.

I think the extra weapons were taken out with the ICs, even if we didn't, it would make sense for the Ice Climbers to have Climbing equitment

he could just use one of the swords from WW they look pretty light what 15 pounds? not much more considering what he already has on wouldn't weigh him down in the slightest.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

he could just use one of the swords from WW they look pretty light what 15 pounds? not much more considering what he already has on wouldn't weigh him down in the slightest.

OoT Ganon would be the better choice here.

 

[Rsflone]

I don't see Bowser doing anything that concerns him actually attacking he's more of a Defense kinda guy. And if Gannon plays Defensive (which isn't his style) he can just avoid and attack, Bowser is easily dead. How many of scenarios does Gannon have now what +1,000,000?

Defensive? he's a 10ft 2,600lbs monster with like 4ft arms plus claws teeth spikes fire strength

why would he be defensive against a 7ft uman with heavy armor and either a huge/toothpick sword he'd laugh and blow ganon away

yet again he's got more power to throw plenty of reach fire strong scales untoucable back, just more options out of 1000 battles he'd take ganon more then half

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Defensive? he's a 10ft 2,600lbs monster with like 4ft arms plus claws teeth spikes fire strength

why would he be defensive against a 7ft uman with heavy armor and either a huge/toothpick sword he'd laugh and blow ganon away

yet again he's got more power to throw plenty of reach fire strong scales untoucable back, just more options out of 1000 battles he'd take ganon more then half

Ganon could hold his own weight. Better than any other character in this thread.

 

[justaway12]

@Sephiroth: Yeah, about that....why wouldn't he get weighed down by his armour? >.>
I'm pretty sure that's not realistically possible.

And Swords can be surprising, http://www.thedailyblitz.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/zelda.jpg
accoroding to Adumb, this sword is very heavy, the only way Zelda could hold it was because she has the proper stance, the only way to hold this is with proper training, or something like that, it was a discussed a long time ago >.>
I would say to bring Adumb...if he wants that is, or some sword expert, I'll try to find something as well.

EDIT: GAH! I'm too slow

 

[Rsflone]

OoT Ganon would be the better choice here.

OoT Ganon would be a terrible choice he has no armor bowsers hands have to be massive one hit would crush Ganon atleast break bones or dig huge gashes

ten i dont care how fit ganon is hes impaired and lunch

 

[REL38]

Bowser manages to push Ganon off his back, but this hindered his own performance, results with Bowser tripping himself due to his enormous weight. Ganon manages to get back on his feet, while Bowser's still lying on the ground in pain trying to get up, Ganon finds this as the perfect moment to impale Bowser in his stomach.

Too bad that doesn't happen as Ganon gets his legs crushed under the Koopa's shell while trying to jump off.

He doesn't expect it so he's given less time to react. As a result, he doesn't jump off quick enough and still gets part of his body crushed, being his legs.

Bowser can take his precious time getting up as Ganon's got everything in his legs plastered on the ground.

 

[adumbrodeus]

he could just use one of the swords from WW they look pretty light what 15 pounds? not much more considering what he already has on wouldn't weigh him down in the slightest.

15 pounds?


Have you ever held a longsword? Your higher-weight specimens ran like 5 pounds. 15 pounds is insanely heavy.


For reference, 2 handed claymores ran five and a half pounds.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Too bad that doesn't happen as Ganon gets his legs crushed under the Koopa's shell while trying to jump off.

He doesn't expect it so he's given less time to react. As a result, he doesn't jump off quick enough and still gets part of his body crushed, being his legs.

Bowser can take his precious time getting up as Ganon's got everything in his legs plastered on the ground.

Ganon drags Bowser down with his weight, and then jumps off before Bowser falls over, thus giving him the chance to impale him in the stomach.

@Adum: Ganon's strong. I'm pretty sure that he could hold a 15 pound sword(s).

 

[Rsflone]

Ganon drags Bowser down with his weight, and then jumps off before Bowser falls over, thus giving him the chance to impale him in the stomach.

@Adum: Ganon's strong. I'm pretty sure that he could hold a 15 pound sword(s).

#912 Custom German Two Hander

Overall Length:68 1/2", Blade Length: 51", Blade Width: 1 3/4", Guard Width: 15 1/2", Grip Length 16 1/8", Weight: 6.7 lbs.

Ganons is about that, thats about 6ft tall and under 7lbs his maybe wider but still no more then 10lbs maxed

 

[REL38]

Ganon drags Bowser down with his weight, and then jumps off before Bowser falls over, thus giving him the chance to impale him in the stomach.

@Adum: Ganon's strong. I'm pretty sure that he could hold a 15 pound sword(s).

Ganon's weight wouldn't be enough to pull him down at all. He weighs, what, 300 lbs?

Bowser got enough hindleg strength to hold over 2 tons. Sorry, not happening.


15 lbs. in a weapon is very heavy and would make slashes insanely slow and lacking in power. That's more of a hinderence than an upgrade.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Ganon's weight wouldn't be enough to pull him down at all. He weighs, what, 300 lbs?

Bowser got enough hindleg strength to hold over 2 tons. Sorry, not happening.


15 lbs. in a weapon is very heavy and would make slashes insanely slow and lacking in power. That's more of a hinderence than an upgrade.

Ganon's weight won't be enough to pull Bowser down by itself, but due to the current situation (the scenario) it will.

Now that I think about it, the heavier a weapon, the better in this match-up. Slower + heavier sword = stronger and more damage.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

Ganon's weight won't be enough to pull Bowser down by itself, but due to the current situation (the scenario) it will.

Now that I think about it, the heavier a weapon, the better in this match-up. Slower + heavier sword = stronger and more damage.

Incorrect. Heavier weapons take more force to move than a smaller, lighter weapon. The more effort you have to put into it, the less effective it will be. Weight ≠ Power and Damage unless it has to do with body slams, fists, and feet melee, because those are easy to put your body weight into. A medium such as a weapon is harder to act your body weight upon because there only so many ways to do it, especially hand-held weapons like swords.

With weapons, Heavier = more unwieldiness, especially since the sword's center of gravity is in the blade. A 15-pound blade would be extremely unwieldy because it's center of gravity would set your's off-balance.

The same goes for Ganondorf. The heavier the blade, the more gravity centers on it and the more unwieldy it becomes. It doesn't matter how strong you are.

 

[REL38]

@Ray

Are you in denial or something? None if what you said would make sense.

Ganon's weight won't be enough to pull Bowser down by itself, but due to the current situation (the scenario) it will.

If Bowser has the leg muscles to lift well over 2 tons, then an additional 300 lbs. wouldn't pull him over.
And as I said, Bowser would fall back on his own will as an attempt to kill him. Ganon doesn't expect the Koopa to fall back on his own, so he wouldn't be able to get his entire body out of the impact area, being Bowser's shell.
His legs or other apendages would get crushed.

Now that I think about it, the heavier a weapon, the better in this match-up. Slower + heavier sword = stronger and more damage.

IRL the heavier the weapon, the more difficult it is to use.

Swords get their effectiveness from being heavy enough to have momentum, but light enough to have velocity to actually pierce.

At that weight, the swing would be very slow giving it very little velocity to actually cut through much of anything. Not to mention the immensive cooldown after every swing.

The lighter the sword, the more velocity it has to actually pierce.
In this case, the 15 lb. sword would absolutely not slash through Bowser's skin.

Ganon would have to use it like a spear and ram into Bowser with it which is suicide and worthless.

 

[Rsflone]

Ganon's weight won't be enough to pull Bowser down by itself, but due to the current situation (the scenario) it will.

Now that I think about it, the heavier a weapon, the better in this match-up. Slower + heavier sword = stronger and more damage.

current situation nothing bowers 2,600 lbs ganons 300 lbs thats a 9th of bowser

lets say your 150 lbs a 9th of you is about 17 lbs your gonna tell me a 17 lb baby around your backs going to pull you down?

my daughters 34 lbs and doesnt phase me

 

[Ray_Kalm]

The "current situation" had Ganon hanging on Bowser's back, so it's very much possible for Bowser to a.) trip on his own b.) trip with the help of Ganon's weight.

What can Bowser do if Ganon just stays behind him at his sword range all the time?

 

[xepherthree]

The "current situation" had Ganon hanging on Bowser's back, so it's very much possible for Bowser to a.) trip on his own b.) trip with the help of Ganon's weight.

What can Bowser do if Ganon just stays behind him at his sword range all the time?

Bowser, if I am correct, is 10 feet tall. If Bowser was a human, that would work. But he has has shell. Bowser could A( shift his weight forward or B( Fall down on all fours. Also, Bowser wouldn't trip. I don't see how he could fall forward, and again, ganon weighs how many pounds again? A ninth of Bowser? That's redonkulous. Or Bowser could fall backwards on purpose, going down even harder then if he had "tripped", and ganons 7ft, armor-heavy frame would be impaled by the spikes.

And how would ganon get behind Bowser? I can't say bowser is slow, but ganon isn't fast, by any stretch of the imagination. And notice one key word: If.

 

[JOE!]

not get hit because he has a giant shell?


dude, 300lbs will never move something 2600lbs from gravity alone....EVER (directly at least....)

On top of that, bowser is about 15ft long....not exactly gonna "teeter"

As for options, bowser has many more ways of killing ganon:

Lucky with his fire
Claws
Bite
Pummel
Land on him

Ganon has about 1 option:

Lucky stab to his belly

given bowser's HUGE arms, and the metal braces on them, i can see him blocking a sword then lunging. This is similar to Pit vs Roy in that the one with better options wins


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now, Peach vs ICs....they have never shown having other eqipment....

 

[justaway12]

Peach has...blunt weapons >.>, not good enough for their Ice Picks, if they have them.

 

[Salem]

Bowser is an stupid animal now though(No offense. >_>) due to this being IRL or even semi IRL.
And Ganon is smart, Ganon has more options then Bowser by just using his intellect alone.

ICs vs Peach?

ICs no longer have huge hammers as they don't exist due to this being as close as possible to IRL, maybe they would have those small hammers, they're kids, giant hammer wielding is dumb and unrealistic.

And Peach would have her nades and a "sharp" Parasol.

 

[xepherthree]

@salem
A sharp parasol?

Really?

 

[Salem]

@salem
A sharp parasol?

Really?

Theres diffrent kinds of parasols, she would have the sharp one cause how do you think she's able to hurt anything in Super Princess Peach?

I think she even hurt Bowser with the parasol once in Super Princess Peach.

 

[JOE!]

dont bring that game up, that is a game mechanic, much liek how her emotions cause fire and stuff.

as for bowser's intellect vs ganon: the only way it'd help in a fight like this is if ganon set a trap beforehand....which wouldnt be happening due to no foreknowledge between fighters.

You can be 3x as smart as a wild animal attacking you, but what good will it do if thay have size, stength, and claws over you?

 

[REL38]

@Salem

If we can switch IC's oversized/overweight mallets for 2 regular sized mallets, then we can switch Peach's bombs with grenades.

No.

They get what's in their games. They can't be substituted in such a manner.

Peach is a tall blonde with bombs

VS

Two overweight, muscle degenerated 10-12 year olds that can't even use their own giant mallets.

 

[xepherthree]

Theres diffrent kinds of parasols, she would have the sharp one cause how do you think she's able to hurt anything in Super Princess Peach?

I think she even hurt Bowser with the parasol once in Super Princess Peach.

...

First off, it TALKS. That proves that it is magical, thus meaning that all of it's game qualities don't exist in real life. Second, it has frills, so he can't spin it. Third, the top is rounded. That parasol doesn't have one point on it.

 

[JOE!]

so, Peach....actually...won? :O

 

[xepherthree]

@JOE

I think she did.
And despite the fact that peach probably won, there's a large chance that the ICs are Inuit. Inuit's are naturally short and stocky, evolving to have shorter arms that are closer to there core so they don't get frostbite as easy.

 

[REL38]

so, Peach....actually...won? :O

:D

Huzzah!

@Xeph
That may be true, but not at that age.

 

[Salem]

Umm...

Doesn't mean Bowser would use his claws or grab or anything, espcially grab...

He's still a turtle and basicly would do that useless attempt to charge in and bite, like most animals do.

Also, Bowser shouldn't have fire nor should charizard, it's suppose to be acid, it's more realistic.
We are trying to be realistic here, right? >_>

 

[xepherthree]

:D

Huzzah!

@Xeph
That may be true, but not at that age.

I was just pointing that out.

ITS POPO!

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Eh, I'll admit, Bowser does seem to be stronger here, but Ganon has a ton of ways he could out-smart Bowser to kill him.

For example, he could use his weapon(s) as a projectile, throw them at Bowser's belly repetitively.

 

[REL38]

@Xeph

That only suggests the possibility that the IC's are actually 3-6 year olds.
That kid's gotta be 3-4 years old.

Yeeeah.


@Ray

He only has one sword though.

Not to mention it might not even pierce from lack of force.

And Bowser wouldn't be on his hindlegs unless he had to.