TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[Llumys]

If Olimar's his Brawl size, and has that many Pikmin, Bowser doesn't stand a chance.

10 Red Pikmin alone could handle the fire breath.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

If Olimar's his Brawl size, and has that many Pikmin, Bowser doesn't stand a chance.

10 Red Pikmin alone could handle the fire breath.

Bowser is his actual size. Which is 10' 0" tall. A ten foot giant turtle would pretty much slaughter them, and he weighs 4000lbs do not forget.

The Pikmin are doomed.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

This is slaughter. It's over the second Olimar commands his Pikmin to attack.

 

[BG3]

Olimar and his pikmin would be like little ants pecking at Bowser's foot. Bowser wins definitley.

 

[payasofobia]

...joe!....

 

[bobson]

I still don't think Olimar should be counted out entirely; the whites are very toxic, and Bowser has no foreknowledge that they are poisonous.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

I still don't think Olimar should be counted out entirely; the whites are very toxic, and Bowser has no foreknowledge that they are poisonous.

Blasted and killed by his flames. Owned.

Gored by his claws. Owned.

Smashed to a pancake. Owned.

Pikmin stand no chance bobson.

 

[REL38]

They'd have more of a chance if their strength carried over to their new size.

They were able to down a machine at dime size.
Imagine the kind of strength they'd have against a giant turtle.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

They'd have more of a chance if their strength carried over to their new size.

They were able to down a machine at dime size.
Imagine the kind of strength they'd have against a giant turtle.

The question remains if they would be able get close enough to use that strength. Thats highly unlikely. The white ones will die instantly from any of the above, and if they start to swarm him, he will likely retaliate with a stream of flames. The red Pikmin would likely be the only survivors, but then there are likely only ten of them left. Its doubtful ten Pikmin are enough to handle two-tons of weight.

 

[bobson]

Blasted and killed by his flames. Owned.

Gored by his claws. Owned.

Smashed to a pancake. Owned.

You can smash a skunk to pieces with your foot, but you still end up smelling bad. Except in this case the smell will kill you.

 

[payasofobia]

The whites only deal damage in the games by being eaten.

They are kamikaze units.

A fairer comparison would be: You can smash a lady bug to pieces with your foot and as long as you don't eat it, you will be fine.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

You can smash a skunk to pieces with your foot, but you still end up smelling bad. Except in this case the smell will kill you.

Wrong, the White Pikmin are IMMUNE to poison, they do not emit it. Crushing them will not result in Bowser's death.


Face it, Bowser's size, strength, weaponry, and armor-like shell make him nearly impossible for Olimar to topple.

 

[Infinite Emerald]

I think that Olimar would win, 100 plus Olimar himself vs. Gaint Reptile with a shell. What if the pikmen get inside of bowser's shell. He has no way of attacking them. Plus Bowser's intense wieght probably means he eats a ton, so he may just end up eating the white pikmin instead of burning them.

 

[Beren Zaiga]

Not plausible IE, He would more likely roast them all before he even thinks of eating them. Plus, Olimar is only being allowed 50 Pikmin.

 

[bobson]

The whites only deal damage in the games by being eaten.

In the games, yes; they also emit a visible poison gas with their breath. The toxicity of this in a realistic setting was explained at length by adumbrodeus during the Olimar VS ICs debate and is what won that match for Olimar. Relevant quote, in reply to my post saying enemies died instantly upon swallowing whites:

Instantly upon swallowing? Yhem means that the poison is extremely potent because only a tiny amount will be absorbed by the digestive system immiediatly. Injested poisons are generally slower acting because of this (unless they're incredibly potent). Fundamentally ingesting a poison is also one of the least effective ways of being poisoned because animals (including humans) have a variety of defenses against ingested poison. Of course the higher concentration can make up for it, but not so soon.

This means that if they're constantly expelling those little clouds of gas, they should be killing enemies from them, to do otherwise is simply unrealistic.

Bowser himself is a headstrong bruiser; he'd see a bunch of small targets and start crushing them as soon as possible. It's not really realistic to suggest that he would destroy Olimar and all his Pikmin before taking in a breath, and the whites would have created a poison cloud just by breathing by the time Bowser got to them.

 

[Emperor Time]

^Don't bother responding to IE's posts.

He be trollin' hard, sawn.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Bowser himself is a headstrong bruiser; he'd see a bunch of small targets and start crushing them as soon as possible. It's not really realistic to suggest that he would destroy Olimar and all his Pikmin before taking in a breath, and the whites would have created a poison cloud just by breathing by the time Bowser got to them.

That's not what he does in the games when you fight him.

 

[payasofobia]

In the games, yes; they also emit a visible poison gas with their breath. The toxicity of this in a realistic setting was explained at length by adumbrodeus during the Olimar VS ICs debate and is what won that match for Olimar. Relevant quote, in reply to my post saying enemies died instantly upon swallowing whites:



Bowser himself is a headstrong bruiser; he'd see a bunch of small targets and start crushing them as soon as possible. It's not really realistic to suggest that he would destroy Olimar and all his Pikmin before taking in a breath, and the whites would have created a poison cloud just by breathing by the time Bowser got to them.

Wouldn't it be more realistic for the poison to act like an actual's plant poison?

Plants do not release toxic fumes after being crushed, or spores for that matter. They only poison the predator by contact or by having one of their toxic parts eaten.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants

The most that the whites would do realisticaly is cause damage after being eaten, or maybe cause itching when touching Bowser.

Instead of releasing instant-acting fumes, it would be more realistic if they were to poison Bowser by letting him eat them and then wait till the poison comes into effect.

And it would be closer to the games's depiction of the whites.

 

[UncleSam]

guys catch me up...

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Sam just read my posts, their pretty much the essence of the Bowser argument.

And Adumb's.

In fact, just read the past 3 pages lol it'd be easier.

 

[JOE!]

Paya, look up the last time Oli was up. a cloud of poison type defense is plausibe because of whites

 

[payasofobia]

But how can they create clouds of poison if neither plants nor pikmin work that way?

You are giving them an ability they don't have.

EDIT: http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/White_Pikmin

They release SECRETIONS, not fumes.

Secretion: 1)A substance, such as saliva, mucus, tears, bile, or a hormone, that is secreted.

2) The process of secreting a substance, especially one that is not a waste, from the blood or cells.



And if you are talking about them using a poison scrren as a defense, then you are basically killing or leaving behind 4/5 of your pikmin on a rush that will most likely be a disaster.

And then there is the thing of where the whites will find poison fumes in a neutral arena.

 

[JOE!]

theres a vid of them breathing out toxic gas. When you first meet them actually.

Over time the gas will build up

 

[payasofobia]

First, just the fact alone that plants relistically can't do that is reason enough to take that stuff away from them.

Second, even with the poison, by the time the poison fills up the room, Olimar and his pikmin will be burned into a crisp.

Also, unless it is in a closed space, it won't do much.

 

[payasofobia]

Double post, sorry.

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

JOE!, I would not bother.

Bowser has this either way. The pikmen are just...way too fragile to pose a threat to Bowser.

The poison will take too long to work, the other pikmen either are not heavy enough to damage bowser or lack a realistic way of damaging Bowser and then there is the fact that Olimar himself is still very vulnerable, and without him the pikmen are worthless.

Also, the pikmen are very easy to shake off.

 

[kirbywizard]

JOE what were you thinking when you made this match?

I mean it's not as bad as Bowser vs Charz but it's still very one sided.

 

[JOE!]

i thought having a small army may help, but i guess not...

 

[kirbywizard]

i thought having a small army may help, but i guess not...

Olimar would need at least 100 pikmin, Bowser is like last Pikmin boss material >_>

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Maybe against someone like IC's, but not vs. Bowser lmao.

 

[REL38]

Pikmin are alien species. That could allow for them to create said gas.
Have Whites use it, have the rest fall back, out of the way.

If Olimar had 100, then he'd have an easier time.

Pikmin are part plant which could possibly explain their strength despite their size. Maybe the plant cells release certain enzymes that unleash their herculean strength.
Or maybe I'm just trying too hard :/

 

[PowerBomb]

Red Pikmin > Fire?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Bowser's claws>Red Pikmin.

GGs

 

[PowerBomb]

Bowser's claws>Red Pikmin.

GGs

Bitter Spray?

Does that still work?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Bitter Spray?

Does that still work?

Could you like, read the thread? We've already covered this.

 

[Shadow13]

Red Pikmin > Fire?

Bowser's claws>Red Pikmin.

GGs

That is basically the whole thing right there. 100 Pikmin aren't even that good against anything that isn't either small or has a huge weak point like lots of Pikmin enemies. The only Pikmin that don't die real easily by getting hit be fire are red ones. Only having red Pikmin means the only way to hurt Bowser is physical hits. They would need to hit Bowser for a long time for him to hurt bad. Bowser just slashes, stomps, or whatever he wants and wins.

 

[REL38]

@Shadow13

Have you even played Pikmin 2?

1) 100 Pikmin **** just about every enemy. 100 purple is overkill. It's not you typical RTS. Zerg Rushes don't work too well. It's always: attack, fall back, attack , fall back.

2) it's a game. Of course every enemy is going to have an exploitable weakness. This is Nintendo. They make it obvious.

 

[Shadow13]

@Shadow13

Have you even played Pikmin 2?

1) 100 Pikmin **** just about every enemy. 100 purple is overkill. It's not you typical RTS. Zerg Rushes don't work too well. It's always: attack, fall back, attack , fall back.

2) it's a game. Of course every enemy is going to have an exploitable weakness. This is Nintendo. They make it obvious.

Those are Purple Pikmin, and unless Red Pikmin lose their thunder for being the only ones immune to fire, then those get burned by Bowser.
I said weak point, as in an area that gets damaged much easier than the rest of him.
Bowser could kill Pikmin that are near him with his claws or by stomping on them. Bowser would be at the level of the final boss in a Pikmin game if not much higher. Also, don't forget that if Olimar is down, he loses. He isn't immune to fire.

 

[kirbywizard]

Those are Purple Pikmin, and unless Red Pikmin lose their thunder for being the only ones immune to fire, then those get burned by Bowser.
I said weak point, as in an area that gets damaged much easier than the rest of him.
Bowser could kill Pikmin that are near him with his claws or by stomping on them. Bowser would be at the level of the final boss in a Pikmin game if not much higher. Also, don't forget that if Olimar is down, he loses. He isn't immune to fire.

Actually his suit does get a fire proof upgrade, but that still won't help him.

 

[REL38]

His fire proof upgrade would only allow him too venture into the flames unscathed.

@Shadow13
What I'm trying to say is that 100 Pikmin would give Olimar better options. Appraching is his biggest problem and having more Pikmin means he can sacrifice some without having that cripple him on a higher degree.