Super Smash Bros. Infinite Project (Finally Finished!???)

[BowserKing]

While Dark Bowser has been eliminated from being playable, I’m defiantly glad that Dixie Kong got in. Now it’s 2 characters in my top 10 most wanted (joining Bandanna Dee)

 

[PeridotGX]

Last First-Party Echo Results
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Echo + Submitter	Votes
Morgan	0
Blaziken	2
Dark Bowser	3
Black Shadow	4
Leon Powalski	4
Mr. Sandman	4
Gooigi	5
Raichu	5
Spring Man	5
Ninten	5
Dry Bowser	6
Alph	9
Black Knight	10
Pauline & Tiara	10
Birdo	15
The Amazon	15
Anna	18
Funky Kong	18
Dixie Kong	30!!!

Discussion Round
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How will this echo differ from their original fighter counterpart? Is there a certain gimmick, will the echo only have animation differences, or will they only have some unique moves? Please discuss how this echo will stand out. We look forward to the ideas that will get thrown out. After this round, we'll start opening up moveset and misc. submissions.

i was the only person to vote for blaziken...

 

[ivanlerma]

Morgan was a long shot but i still give her noticement.

Sigh

 

[cashregister9]

I'm kind of glad at least a few other people were on the same wavelength as me with Pauline and Tiara .

Time to start writing my essay about a Fire Emblem character.

 

[GolisoPower]

I think Dixie Kong should have stronger throws than Diddy considering how her hair is strong enough to throw Kiddy Kong in DKC3. Maybe give her a tether grab/Z-air, too?

 

[Janx_uwu]

Dixie should probably have one special that’s unique to her, and most normals would be the exact same. Some of them would be functionally similar but just have her use her ponytail instead-for example, up air would have her swing it up instead of Diddy kicking up.
Also kinda sad that Funky lost. I submitted him for every one of these rounds so obviously I’m somewhat nostalgic, but this was also basically the last chance he could’ve had-whereas Dixie could’ve gotten in as an original newcomer later on. It’s kind of like how Leon getting in meant Zero was gone for good. It was, however, an admirable second place finish and I had a lot of fun with that most recent write up, which is my favorite part of this thread anyways.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Ooo ooo ooo

Mmmm, Monkie!

 

[airConditioner]

dixie_tower_defense.exe​

Spoiler: the zmobie on ur lawn

	Melon-pult (Plants vs. Zombies) Category: Primary Type: Attack Class: Advanced ★★ Ability: Can be Enhanced at Lv. 99 Puppet Fighter: Piranha Plant [Green], Piranha Plant [Blue], Crazy Dave Stage: House Music Track: I forgot what the rooftop song is called and I don't want to check Match: Stamina Conditions: Stamina Battle Player [100 HP] David [200 HP] Plant [150 HP] The enemy prefers Side Specials [Crazy Dave] The enemy prefers Neutral Specials [Plant] The enemy's neutral special has increased power [Plant] The enemy starts the battle with a Freezie [Blue Plant]
	Winter Melon (Plants vs. Zombies) Category: Primary Type: Attack Class: Ace ★★★ Ability: Unflinching Charged Smashes Enhance the Melon-pult spirit
	Phat Beet (Plants vs. Zombies 2) Category: Support Type: Neutral Class: Novice ★ Ability: Earth Attack Up Puppet Fighter: Barista [Purple], Crazy Dave Stage: Beaumonde Arena Music Track: Whatever song fits Neon Mixtape Tour Match: Stamina Conditions: Stamina Battle Player [100 HP] David [200 HP] Barista [150 HP] The enemy prefers Down Specials [Crazy Dave] Periodic Earthquakes will shake the stage The enemy starts the battle with a POW Block [Barista]
	Disco Zombie & Backup Dancers (Plants vs. Zombies) Category: Primary Type: Neutral Class: Advanced ★★ Ability: Easy Rhythm Puppet Fighter: King Dedede [Cyan], 4x Waluigi [Red] Stage: Beaumonde Arena Music Track: The nighttime song Match: Stamina Conditions: Stamina Battle Player [100 HP] Dedede [200 HP] Waluigis [150 HP] The enemy likes to taunt Enemy reinforcements will appear after a little while [Waluigis] Defeat the main enemy to win [Dedede]

 

[GolisoPower]

Does anybody else think Dixie could have better air control, too? I mean, the girl's signature trick is air-based as is, so why not give her better air control than Diddy Kong, right?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Hey, Dixie won! Pretty rad.

That said, as her submitter, I wanna give a shoutout to Wario Wario Wario for his submission of the Amazon - what a cool idea! If Dixie hadn't won, I would've wanted this guy to. I'm actually doing a similar project to this as a personal idea for a Youtube series as an homage to this thread, and I may just have use for this one...

As for differences, as others have said, a bubblegum popgun with a sticking/slowing property, maybe her dash attack could be her spin, and the obvious hair-copter move. Diddy's kit got some changes that in Ultimate that actually make it work better for Dixie (no longer using his tail, which Dixie does not have), so hopefully that comes across better.

Her guitar? Cool as it is, I feel it should work as a taunt and victory animation.

 

[Jondolio]

I don't remember if I actually voted in the end or not, but I'm glad Dixie won!

 

[Tankman from Newgrounds]

Yeah, Monkey definitely won!

 

[Golden Icarus]

I'm really glad that we added Dixie. Both Impa and Dixie are probably the most deserving echoes, so the fact that they both made it in at the last minute makes me quite happy.

In terms of differences with Diddy, I don't feel that it's all that important to change up her stats, as she could reasonably have near identical size, weight, speed, damage output, knockback, etc. Instead, our focus should definitely be on changing up her moveset. Having her ponytail as her up-B is mandatory and if we could also alter some of her tilts, aerials, throws, etc. to incorporate her hair, then that would be awesome. Honestly, it would only take a few changes to make her feel like Dixie.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Impa could have been a unique character

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Dixie Kong Moveset and Stat Submissions​

We heard your voices and we made a decision regarding Dixie and her Echo moveset. Below will dictate the requirements for the submissions.

For Stats and Gameplay...

Please submit how Dixie would differ from Diddy in terms of stats and gameplay. Being an Echo, Dixie should be similar to Diddy to a degree but we are shooting for a Chrom/Ken situation for the character.

Below is the stat readout for Diddy Kong. This submission should also provide additional information in regards to how she could possibly play as...

Number of Jumps	2
Weight	90 Units (61/87)
Dash Speed	2.006 (21/87)
Air Speed	0.924 (74/87)
Fast Fall Speed	2.8 (24/87)
Special Attributes	Crouch Walk, Wall Jump, Wall Cling

For Movesets...
We will be changing up two of Dixie's movesets, the Neutral Special plus the Up Special. Below is how we will be doing this...

Neutral Special: Bubblegum Popgun
How would this attack work? What is its properties? Provide a short explanation how this attack would work.

Up Special: New Move
Dixie will have a new move aside from Diddy's, Please provide an explanation of this new move and how it works. If we don't get a submission or one that isn't realizable, we will go with Diddy's current one.

For the Final Smash,
We will be accepting submission for a new Final Smash for Dixie Kong. Much like above, we will go with Diddy's if a submission isn't submitted.

 

[Glubbfubb]

Dixie has slower running speed to reflect her stats from the classic dkc games and will have a lighter weight due to being the arial kong.
Natural Special

The projectile is weaker than the peanuts, but they have longer range, a fully charged bullet can also stun opponents with the gum

Up Special
Dixie Quickly uses her ponytail to pop off and then be sent into free fall, however this freefall is unique in that she can guide it more accurately and lightly damage enemies that collide with her, based off her rolling attack from dkc classic

 

[ivanlerma]

I thought about an idea for Dixie's Final Smash for a while now, Would if She summons Kiddie Kong and they use that motor vehicle from DKC3 to ram opponents in the water.

Edit: I don't know what else to put since i have not played Donkey Kong Country 3

 

[GolisoPower]

Neutral Special: Bubblegum Popgun:

A chargeable projectile like Diddy's Peanut Popgun, but charging is indicated by a large pink bubble being blown out of the barrel of the gun. It is usually slow upon release, but deals 1.3x more damage than a peanut. However, if you're hit while charging this attack or your attack reaches maximum charge, it deals as much as a peanut, but your opponent will be dealt the Gum effect, which limits their movement to about 1 Pichu to the left or right, and greatly reduces their jump height. This lasts for about as long as K. Rool's pre-nerf D-throw or until the afflicted is hit.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Mmmm monkie

 

[Krookodilian]

More Plants

Spoiler: More Plants

	Snow Pea (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Novice ★ Type: Primary Shield Effect: Water/Ice Attack ↑ Puppet Fighter: Ice Climbers (Blue/Green) Stage: House (Day) Music Track: Grasswalk Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy favors Neutral Special, Hazard: Ice Floor
	Repeater (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Advanced ★★ Type: Primary Attack, 2 Slots Effect: Can be Evolved at Lv. 99 Puppet Fighter: Ivysaur x2 (Green), Crazy Dave x2 (Green) Stage: House (Day) Music Track: Grasswalk Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy favors Neutral Special, The enemy favors Side Special (Crazy Dave)
	Gatling Pea (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Ace ★★★ Type: Primary Attack, 3 Slots Effect: Weapon Attack ↑ Evolve from Repeater
	Puff-shroom (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Novice ★ Type: Primary Neutral, 0 Slots Effect: None Puppet Fighter: Tiny Luigi x10 (Purple) Stage: House (Night) Music Track: Moongrains Match: Stock (1), Time (1:00) Conditions: The enemy favors Neutral Special, Defeat a Horde of enemies
	Fume-shroom (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Advanced ★★ Type: Support Attack, 3 Slots Effect: Poison Damage Reduced Purchase From Beedle's Shack
	Blover (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Advanced ★★ Type: Support Shield Effect: Fog-Immunity, 2 Slots Puppet Fighter: Piranha Plant (Green), Crazy Dave (Green) Stage: House (Fog) Music Track: Rigor Mormist Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy Favor's Up Special (Crazy Dave, Piranha Plant), Hazard: Strong Wind
	Garlic (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Advanced ★★ Type: Support Shield Effect: Irreversible Controls, 2 Slots Puppet Fighter: Wario (White), Crazy Dave Stage: House (Roof) Music Track: Graze the Roof Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy favors Neutral Special (Crazy Dave), Your controls will suddenly flip
	Marigold (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Novice ★ Type: Support Neutral Effect: Lip's Stick Equipped Purchase from Timmy & Tommy's Store
	Sun-shroom (Plants Vs Zombies) Class: Novice ★ Type: Support Shield Effect: Hothead Equipped Puppet Fighter: Tiny Inkling, Inkling, Giant Inkling (Default) Stage: House (Night) Music Track: Moongrains Match: Stock (1) Conditions: Defeat the enemy in a no frills battles
	Umbrella Leaf (Plants Vs. Zombies) Class: Advanced ★★ Type: Support Shield Effect: Perfect-Shield Reflect, 1 Slot Puppet Fighter: Pit (Green), Crazy Dave (Green) Stage: House (Roof) Music Track: Graze the Roof Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy favors Down Special (Pit), The enemy favors Up Throw (Crazy Dave), Only Certain Pokémon will appear from Poké Balls (Gardevoir)

 

[chocolatejr9]

I know we've technically moved on by this point, but it still feels a little bizarre we actually added PVZ to this game. I haven't played this series in AGES...

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I know we've technically moved on by this point, but it still feels a little bizarre we actually added PVZ to this game. I haven't played this series in AGES...

You should see some of the series we have as Others spirits.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

You should see some of the series we have as Others spirits.

AMONG US!!!

 

[Krookodilian]

Our New Third Parties Other list is certainly interesting to say the least. I've sorted them into a couple categories for your viewing... pleasure? This is only referring to spirits, though there are some series which we've added such as Space Invaders and Darkstalkers which haven't got any spirits yet.

Spoiler: Other Series that have been in previous smash installments which didn't have spirits in Ultimate, but now do in Infinite

Dig Dug
Mappy
Fallout
BIT.TRIP
Rabbids

We should probably be focusing most on this category, which includes series such Assassin's Creed, Undertale, Skyrim, Tales of, Goemon, Devil May Cry, and plenty of Namco ones featured in Namco Roulette or Retro Medleys, which are all without spirits yet have some other form of content in smash.

Spoiler: New Series whose parent companies were involved in Ultimate

Sega:	Capcom:	Bandai Namco:	Square Enix:	Microsoft:	SNK:	Ubisoft:
Puyo Puyo Ristar Super Monkey Ball Billy Hatcher Catherine	Captain Commando Cyberbots Versus Rival Schools Ace Attorney	Xenosaga Namco x Capcom	The World Ends With You Balan Wonderland	Battletoads Conker Viva Piñata	The Last Blade	Buck Bumble

Quite a few here, but also quite a few more we could add like Frogger, Chrono Trigger, Tomb Raider, Okami, Klonoa, NiGHTS, Samba de Amigo, SMT, Metal Slug etc.

Spoiler: New Other Series

Bubsy
Bioshock
Drawn to Life
Angry Birds
Cut The Rope
Fortnite

Could be worse... However, there are some glaring omissions here such as Cooking Mama, Professor Layton, Yokai Watch, Ninja Gaiden etc.

Spoiler: New Indie Series

Alien Hominid
Cave Story
Braid
Castle Crashers
Super Meat Boy
Binding of Isaac
Skullgirls
Crypt of the NecroDancer
Rivals of Aether
Dead Cells
A Hat in Time
Celeste
Among Us
Blade Strangers
Bloodstained
Untilted Goose Game
The Stretchers
Bug Fables
The Longing
Fall Guys

This is without including all the series that have been sent to Spirit Limbo or Spirit Hell...

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I know we've technically moved on by this point, but it still feels a little bizarre we actually added PVZ to this game. I haven't played this series in AGES...

While I haven’t been much of a fan of the series direction under…. EA, the first game will always have a special place in my heart and I’m glad we added it in the end. And the series itself has more than earned a spot in Smash in terms of how big it’s become in the genre of tower defense and gaming in general.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Do we have a plan for completing all the alts by launch day?

I was thinking we could partially outsource some of the later ones to those respective characters' Socials, but that could come off as annoying or disruptive.

 

[Tankman from Newgrounds]

Dixie's Side Tilt:
Tail Whip.
She turns back and whips her tail like Whip that gives you moderate damage.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Do we have a plan for completing all the alts by launch day?

I was thinking we could partially outsource some of the later ones to those respective characters' Socials, but that could come off as annoying or disruptive.

While we are trying to get everything ready before launch, alts are not a huge concern. We get 3-6 max per job which leads me to think they aren’t as important as some of our other jobs.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Will effort be made to declone the Daisy/Richter type Echoes?

 

[airConditioner]

Will effort be made to declone the Daisy/Richter type Echoes?

I believe we have made some efforts in the past, they both have new final Smashes if I remember correctly

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Will effort be made to declone the Daisy/Richter type Echoes?

We gave both new Final Smashes as well as Daisy a new neutral special.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I will be posting our final decision regarding Dixie Kong’s Specials and gameplay in a little bit but I do want us to move into adding the additional content for Dixie Kong

This includes:
Taunts (4)
Entrance Animation (1)
Idle Poses (2)
Victory Animations (3)
Kirby Hat (1)
Boxing Ring Title (1)
Snake Codec (1)
Palutena’s Guidance (1)
Classic Mode (1)

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Boxing Ring Title: "Diddy's Damsel, Never in Distress"

 

[Yiptap]

Kirby Hat: Dixie Kong's cap

 

[GolisoPower]

Entrance Animation: A barrel explodes and Dixie floats down with her Propeller Ponytail maneuver and lands on the ground.

 

[Glubbfubb]

Victory Pose 1
Dixie is turned around blowing a bubble of gym which pops followed by dixie giving a thumbs up

Victory Pose 2
Dixie does some air tricks with her ponytail followed by some quick gymnastics before pointing her finger up in victory.

Victory Pose 3

(Of course you cant have the guitar.)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Idle poses:

Idle pose 1: She blows bubblegum and drinks out of a juice box.

Idle pose 2: She does air guitar and then a jump swinging her arms.

First can be found at 0:20 of this video, the second at 2:48.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

As for the Dixie Kong moveset and gameplay,

Dixie’s Gimmick: Ponytail Float
Much like Peach and Daisy, Dixie can float in the air temporarily by spinning rapidly. It has. A longer duration than those two and has been priority but also suffers from landing lag.


Neutral Special: Bubblegum Popgun GolisoPower
A chargeable projectile like Diddy's Peanut Popgun, but charging is indicated by a large pink bubble being blown out of the barrel of the gun. It is usually slow upon release, but deals 1.3x more damage than a peanut. However, if you're hit while charging this attack or your attack reaches maximum charge, it deals as much as a peanut, but your opponent will be dealt the Gum effect, which limits their movement to about 1 Pichu to the left or right, and greatly reduces their jump height. This lasts for about as long as K. Rool's pre-nerf D-throw or until the afflicted is hit.

Up Special: Haircopter Glubbfubb
Dixie quickly uses her ponytail to pop off and then be sent into free fall, however this freefall is unique in that she can guide it more accurately and lightly damage enemies that collide with her. Based off her rolling attack from DKC classic.

And while we never considered this in asking for submissions…

Dixie largely differs from Diddy in her grab game.She has distance grab where she stretches out her ponytail and grabs the nearest opponent. She then things the opponent back to her and holds them with her hair. The throws fundemtanlly remain the same with a few slightdifferences.

Pummel: Pony Crunch
She squeezes the opponent with her hair

Forward Throw: Heaves back and throws the opponent. Based on her barrel throw from the DKC games. Very siniliar in application and results as Diddy’s

Back Throw: Nearly identical to Diddy’s. Simple back throw.

Down Throw: Nearly identical but with some start up lag.

Up Throw: Much unlike Diddy’s but she chucks the opponent straight into the air instead of kicking them.

As for her Final Smash, I thought of an idea that uses the idea put forth by ivanlerma while also keeping true to Rocketbarrel Barrage. I feel this is the best alternative considering Dixie is already very different than Diddy.

Rocketbarrel Family Barrage
Dixie calls forth her cousin, Kiddy Kong. Together, they straight on Rocketbarrels and zip zap about the stage; dealing generally more hits than Diddy but with less damage to balance it out. Kiddy will loose his rocket which homes into the opponent as Dixie lets her go and floats back down to the stage

 

[Mushroomguy12]

You guys think we should include Kiddy in the victory animations and taunts like Morgana, Slime, and Rex?

 

[Tankman from Newgrounds]

You guys think we should include Kiddy in the victory animations and taunts like Morgana, Slime, and Rex?

Good idea, tell Venus about your Idea!