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[Zankoku]

Have Nasty_Nate/TheKiest and vrud/Trail played yet?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i think trail thinks he is playing agsint rhan

 

[rhan]

I never signed up. lolol


I said might.

 

[HoChiMinhTrail]

haha get *****, ya i hadnt looked at the bracket in forever. vrud or w/e lets play sometime today or some ****

 

[vrud]

k i won 2-1 ggs man wp.

 

[HoChiMinhTrail]

k i won 2-1 ggs man wp.

cheese filled set

but who won the legit game

 

[rhan]

Who was the cheeser? lol

 

[HoChiMinhTrail]

Who was the cheeser? lol

haha we both were, only mine failed

 

[Roman.]

You good today? 5pm. Cst.

sorry, no good for me unless you're gunna be on for a few more hours...

i'll prolly be on like 11-2 est

tomorrow i might not be able to either but if we set up a specific time for after tuesday, i can definitely be on

 

[Zone]

hmmm thing is I go to sleep at like 8pm CST.

5 p.m. CST wednesday?

 

[Roman.]

sounds good

edit: lol i was just told that i have to work wed from like 2-8 so hopefully i'll see you a little bit after that

 

[TheKiest]

Nate won, 2-0.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

Nasty Nate wins 2-0

GG keist

 

[Sion]

ggs nate i lost

was hoping for a pvt lol

 

[Nasty_Nate]

Nasty Nate wins 2-1

GGs Sion. Me too, I hate mirror matches and PvP is the worst

 

[Zone]

I want to say Zerg is the worst >.> when it comes to mirror matches

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

yeah zvz is horrible

 

[rhan]

I agree with that.

Even TvT you can have variety in the match-up.. Still a snoozefest though..

 

[Zankoku]

I always considered TvT as one of the better overall matchups in the game.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

TvT is my favorite matchup to play. Definitely the best mirror, although PvP has become more interesting lately. I agree with Ankoku.

 

[Fernandez]

i still dont like pvp even after 4gate nerf its still broken =[
tvt is the most fun mirror imo
the funnest matchups are tvz and pvz imo, i dont really like tvp

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Ive been playing random, and P is my favorite race to play with because of the strong tech options

 

[Nashun]

Got joot 2-0 ggs wp

 

[j00t]

gg I lost 0-2

immortal drop was neat, I think I could of handled it if I didn't sit back though

 

[Nashun]

gg I lost 0-2

immortal drop was neat, I think I could of handled it if I didn't sit back though

yeah its risky. if i don't kill drones i have a long way to go. if you look at the econ graph you had about double my income before my attack came. best way to fight it is like, mass ling+queen i think. you may have been able to prepare since you saw it with overseer. make the queens target the prism and lings can handle everything else. just dont get caught with a sneaky forcefield on your ramp.

 

[Nashun]

i still dont like pvp even after 4gate nerf its still broken =[
tvt is the most fun mirror imo
the funnest matchups are tvz and pvz imo, i dont really like tvp

no way dude, 4gate is so much weaker now because you actually have options other than 4gate to beat it.

you still have to react properly; it's not nerfed to the point where you can do whatever you want and 4gate won't beat you. don't get greedy and you'll be able to handle it just fine.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

In my experience 4gating is like 70%+ of the time the way to go in PvP. Whenever I try to forcefield the ramp and tech they pylon it, and I cant kill it. It seems like theres a really strict position to keep from warping behind it and from letting zealots scout the high ground

Ive been playing random, and P is my favorite race to play with because of the strong tech options

O_o Terran says sup

And ZvZ isnt that bad. You can literally use every unit in that matchup (though broodlords are pretty rare). Same with TvT, but thats more than I can say for PvP

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

roach infestor with eventual hydras is definitely the best option in ZvZ. PvP you can explore any tech path relatively safely.

 

[Roman.]

zone when can you be on tomorrow/the weekend

 

[Nashun]

In my experience 4gating is like 70%+ of the time the way to go in PvP. Whenever I try to forcefield the ramp and tech they pylon it, and I cant kill it. It seems like theres a really strict position to keep from warping behind it and from letting zealots scout the high ground



O_o Terran says sup

And ZvZ isnt that bad. You can literally use every unit in that matchup (though broodlords are pretty rare). Same with TvT, but thats more than I can say for PvP

if they 4gate you have to 3gate and chrono units instead of warpgate. you'll be able to hold with sentry/zealot and have a gas/worker advantage. if its a later 4gate you can go pure sentry/stalker and just pick offr the zealots they warp up.

 

[Sion]

this is all assuming you have a choke to defend

maps with wider ramps like taldarim make it almost impossible not to 4gate attack/defend

 

[Nashun]

I think I can hold a 4gate on taldarim with 1gate robo.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

I think I can hold a 4gate on taldarim with 1gate robo.

? How if theres no small ramp?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

probably the robo

 

[Zone]

And ZvZ isnt that bad. You can literally use every unit in that matchup (though broodlords are pretty rare). Same with TvT, but thats more than I can say for PvP

I disagree unless your micro is so good that all your banelings and mutas have a mind of their own and are NEVER clustered and always spread out infestors shut those down so hard. And your lucky if the match even lasts that long, not to mention the way Zerg is played just because you scout your opponent and see no units it NEVER means your safe, it's extra hard to know when your opponent is going to start making units to attack without constantly having 24/7 intel. And we all know how well Zerg can explode with units out of no where

 

[Nashun]

? How if theres no small ramp?

No sentries, 1gate robo, by then you should know if he's doing a fast 4gate. if he is, stop probe production at like 20 and put up 2 more gates, dont spend any chrono on probes. chrono out first immortal, no stalkers except for your first one. by the time 4gate hits you should hve your immortal, 3-5 zealots, 1 stalker, and 3 warpgates when he comes with like 4 zealot 4 stalker or something. if its a slow 4gate then you dont have to cut probes as hard but you still gotta make dudes and chrono the immortal.

with 1gate robo you kinda want them to go up your ramp so that your immortal can hit stuff and your zealots can surround stuff. you'll normally have more zealots than him but less stalker. i can show you later today.

edit: i'm going to be @ the village for mvc3 around 7. i can show you firsthand if you're down for that, or we can play some matches when i get home. no matter to me.

 

[Omni]

Just an update. Jumped from Rank 1 Silver to Rank 2 Gold. Lol, sweet.

Been doing pretty well. My record against Protoss is impeccable, but that's probably because the BO I'm using is just really strong against FE Toss. And it does very well against 4 gate if scouted.

My TvT game is progressing slowly but surely. I've been watching a lot of TLO and I'm literally just going to start stealing his BO's. He's so solid in the TvT match. On small maps, I normally go for a Siege Tank Expand where get Siege Tanks asap and attempt to constrict him to one base while I expand. I've lost once or twice tho to a counter Medivac drop so I gotta be more ready since that is a pretty sensible counter attack. And on big maps like Tal I go for the 18 CC FE. If I start receiving Tank harass behind the mineral line I move my CC to my third where the breakable rocks are.

vs. Zerg, sigh. Banelings ruin my Marine/Tank comp. My positioning sucks, but I am learning to leapfrog my tanks.

 

[_Dice]

I disagree unless your micro is so good that all your banelings and mutas have a mind of their own and are NEVER clustered and always spread out infestors shut those down so hard. And your lucky if the match even lasts that long, not to mention the way Zerg is played just because you scout your opponent and see no units it NEVER means your safe, it's extra hard to know when your opponent is going to start making units to attack without constantly having 24/7 intel. And we all know how well Zerg can explode with units out of no where

Infestors should only shut down your mutas if you are using them wrong.

when infestors are in their base, harrass their army, and control the map (no overlords, zerglings ect) when infestors are with their army, harrass the base. always magic box them so they have to use 2-4 fungals to get the group in the first place.

and banelings should be burrowed and used in drop form once infestors are out. really they spent the time/money getting infestors and (if they are any good) glands, so you should get drop/speed for a similar time and money investment to keep your banes useful, also if you get air and harrass enough they need hydras then banes as a flanking unit dominate. every single unit has a purpose in ZvZ, even broodlords, except broodlords is pretty much a dead end tech if you can't keep your muta/corruptor alive.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

what if they have infestors spread out? whats your plan then?

I agree with zone, infestors shut down a lot of options in ZvZ.

 

[_Dice]

what if they have infestors spread out? whats your plan then?

I agree with zone, infestors shut down a lot of options in ZvZ.

if they are spread out then you can still control the map and harrass if you spread the mutas, 1 infestor cannot kill mutalisks, they need multiple infestors meaning they have to commit to a specific area, since the nerf to fungal time they can't use a queen + infestor to ward away mutalisks you actually need more than one, and if you are harrassing correctly (multiple areas, distractions, expanding, preventing scouting ect) then the majority of your actions net you in the positive.