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Then don't play on those stages. In non ditto match-ups those stages almost always give massive advantage and will get struck as a result. In ditto match ups its all preference and if you don't think that the stage should be played on or it is not a stage you can win on you can strike it.
It's not a bad idea. You should make a thread and see what other people think
I don't care for large threads and I don't play in tournament anymore due to work so I have little advantage to doing so, but someone like twinkie, bpc, grim, or ghostbone (hint hints) should jump on that idea.
Yeah that's what happened.
Not true. Not only do the ideas of what stages 'should not be played on' vary amongst top players and experienced players, but players that are completely new to the scene will have almost no idea why stages like Temple and BoE are bad. So if 2 inexperienced players play against each other, they could end up practically anywhere. Or, if an inexperienced player plays a higher level player, they may end up on a stage best suited for the higher-level player's character (Sonic on Temple, Falco on BoE, etc)
I understand that "should" is the wrong word but I was not trying to convince someone who agreed with me to agree with me more. I was using language that would get the message across at the sacrifice of being slightly inaccurate.
Not really my thing anymore, I debate ledge-grab limits.
I pick metaknight (if you want I can choose to assume metaknight is banned and strike using someone else). I feel metaknight soildly wins on all of the stages left but thats mostly because I think he is a better circle camper than sonic.
If you ban that stage, then why not ban every other broken stage?
There is a way to choose the Mushroomy Kingdom stages. You have to press X or Y for one stage and L or R for the other
I never knew that. Do you know what happens if people input conflicting button presses? (one player presses L or R and the other player presses X or Y)
I'm not sure what happens if they do that. But what happens if one player wants to ban 1-2 but not 1-1?
They simply have to choose ban both since there is only one stage (it just happens to have a randomly generated layout)*. Its the same as how pictochat won't cycle through every transformation but you can't choose to ban pictochat + whale transformation, you simply choose to ban pictochat.
I have not tested it yet but I have a hunch that if players input conflicting inputs for the stage then it will be random.
Or we can keep everything legal and take note of the fact that 1-1 and 1-2 are not separate stages.
This, and circle camping does not even destroy competition when you use full list striking.
How are they not separate stages? Are Samus and ZSS not separate characters?
Zelda and shiek are not seperate characters they are a single character in the same sense pokemon trainer is a single character. You may be able to select one form and ignore the others but it is still one larger collection of tools should you choose to use it or not.
I meant to say Samus and ZSS (You can't go back to Samus once you turn to ZSS without the Smash ball)
They are also one character. We have removed the player's ability to alternate between the two at will during a match but they are still a single character.
It is fair in the sense that by banning circle stages we are changing what the median of bias is.
They are one character who has the ability to switch between two different move sets/sprites. We create different match-ups since the different movesets play differently and many people choose to ignore the weaker set over the stronger.
Thats different. Thats one matchup. I'm talking about stages that are never fair.
Ok, but we get to choose what character of the two or three we want to use. Why can't we do the same for this stage?
Stages have no level of fairness outside of match-ups much like how match-ups don't exist outside of stages. It applies to every match-up in which a character is better capable of circling than the opponent.
Simply because an option should never be taken does not mean it should not exist or we should use it as an excuse to alter game balance for many characters.
That is correct and players will choose which version to play on via the button inputs you mentioned. If one version happens to always out prioritize the other than that version will see more selection, or if a port slot decides than the port slot rule will decide which version gets picked, or if it is random then the version selected will be random.
