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[Espy Rose]

As of right now, I'm a yes, unless something comes up.

You should!

idk if 3k's going or not...



@Kinzer: Yeah I saw that quote too. =/ Just means we need to start getting out and placing more!

If I go, I'll make sure to have some friendlies with you. It'll be great (assuming I do go).

 

[Nike.]

Espy was one kill away to making top3 and a rematch against infinity. And vids will be up around wed/thurs.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I don't know if I have to post video proof or anything... But I made a tourney back on dic 18 2008 at my college.

It was a 4-stock, item-low, 16-entrant tournament.

I got 2nd. Lost to a Zelda who stole the smashball. >_< But I was losing by 2 stock difference, and I had a superb comeback.

If it helps you with the numbers, I got 2nd, after beating: Zelda, Diddy Kong and a Yoshi. And I lost to another Zelda.

 

[ithrowthings]

Crew Battle! Akron Vs. West Salem
http://stepuptournament.freeforums.org/crew-battle-t289.html
December 13 2008
Out of 10
1st - 11 stocks taken Ithrowthings (Sonic)

 

[MalcolmM]

yo when is hobo14? i wanna c if i can convince NY/NJ to go.

 

[Spin-Dash]

God. America's kicking *** with all of this Sonic business...

We need more Canadian fsmashing. If I wasn't in Alberta (effing Melee CENTRAL around here), I'd be adding more fuel to the fire. Make y'all proud...

 

[MalcolmM]

CANDIANS ALL NIGHT!!! EFF THAT! U got this son....just find a wayoutta alberta and do what U GOTTA DO. REP BLUE BLUR TO THE FULLEST! and w/e happens....no tears. I dont care how beautiful or how heartbreaking it is....ABSOLUTELY NO TEARS. SONIC MAINS DONT CRY....today u have become a man.

 

[Spin-Dash]

I was about to cry until you reminded me how Sonic mains don't cry. Not even manly tears shall cut it. NO TEARS.

Sonic flies solo for me. He always WILL. With the power of a man, I shall shape the lands of Canada. I shall ride the moose bareback over the hills, Chaos Emerald in hand.

"I AM A MAN. JUST A GUY THAT LOVES ADVENTURE. I'M SPIN-DASH THE SONIC MAIN; NOW WHERE THE @#$% IS MY STEAK!?"

 

[MalcolmM]

I was about to cry until you reminded me how Sonic mains don't cry. Not even manly tears shall cut it. NO TEARS.

Sonic flies solo for me. He always WILL. With the power of a man, I shall shape the lands of Canada. I shall ride the moose bareback over the hills, Chaos Emerald in hand.

"I AM A MAN. JUST A GUY THAT LOVES ADVENTURE. I'M SPIN-DASH THE SONIC MAIN; NOW WHERE THE @#$% IS MY STEAK!?"

He's finally ready...

 

[Espy Rose]

CANDIANS ALL NIGHT!!! EFF THAT! U got this son....just find a wayoutta alberta and do what U GOTTA DO. REP BLUE BLUR TO THE FULLEST! and w/e happens....no tears. I dont care how beautiful or how heartbreaking it is....ABSOLUTELY NO TEARS. SONIC MAINS DONT CRY....today u have become a man.

....

Just smile.

 

[ithrowthings]

I'm goin to the Midwest championship circuit event this weekend representin nothin but the blue blur himself.

I have almost ascended to the next level and will hopefully be ready to take home first in this large event, wish me luck.

 

[Tenki]

I have almost ascended to the next level

oshi-

Trunks became slow and like, got pwnd by Cell last time that happened.

don't do itttt.


good luck >;3

 

[ithrowthings]

oshi-

Trunks became slow and like, got pwnd by Cell last time that happened.

don't do itttt.


good luck >;3

Lol, It's allright, last 3 tournaments I went to I pulled a revolver ocelot from MGS 3 and used a new strategy on the battlefield. Same thing happened to me as revolver ocelot, snake insulted me and then knocked me out.

 

[Kinzer]

Y'all can do it, just make sure you bring a piece of Steak for good luck.

 

[Camalange]

ITT's got this in the bag.

 

[Kinzer]

So he's packing the meat now?

 

[Camalange]

Yes Kinzer, he's packing the meat in a bag.

 

[Lawz.]

Yes Kinzer, he's packing the meat in a bag.

........ wow

 

[Camalange]

Sarcasm mah friend.

Sarcasm on teh interwebs.

 

[Lawz.]

Sarcasm mah friend.

Sarcasm on teh interwebs.

= slow

= fast

sarcasm.....I see

 

[memphischains]

Well, I knew it was coming. In fact, I predicted it quite a long time ago when I said that SBR would "solve" all our problems by talking them to death. And now that it has, we must sincerely tell you a little bit about SBR and its scummy harangues. In the text that follows, I don't intend to recount all of the damage caused by SBR's stultiloquent cajoleries but I do want to point out that I'm not very conversant with SBR's background. To be quite frank, I don't care to be. I already know enough to state with confidence that we are at war. Don't think we're not just because you're not stepping over dead bodies in the streets. We're at war with SBR's quarrelsome values. We're at war with its venal hatchet jobs. And we're at war with its disloyal artifices. As in any war, we ought to be aware of the fact that SBR claims that everything is happy and fine and good. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in its personal attacks. Then again, if SBR had lived the short, sickly, miserable life of a chattel serf in the ages "before technocracy" it wouldn't be so keen to create a Frankenstein's monster. Maybe it'd even begin to realize that it attracts illiberal nutcases to its camp by telling them that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. I suppose the people to whom it tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, the name SBR has become nearly synonymous with incomprehensible evil. In fact, I have said that to SBR on many occasions and I will keep on saying it until it stops trying to jawbone aimlessly.

Given SBR's record of shady dealings, we can say that every time it utters or writes a statement that supports gnosticism—even indirectly—it sends a message that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, contend that we mustn't let it make such statements, partly because it proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to promote autism's traits as normative values to be embraced, but primarily because we must operate on today's real—not tomorrow's ideal—political terrain. This call to action begins with you. You must be the first to beat SBR at its own game. You must be the one to step back and consider the problem of its pronouncements in the larger picture of popular culture imagery. And you must inform your fellow man that if my own experience has taught me anything, it's that if we fail to direct our efforts toward clearly defined goals and measure progress toward those goals as frequently and as objectively as possible then all of our sacrifices will be as forgotten as the sand blowing across Ozymandias's dead empire. The "decay of that colossal wreck," as the poet Shelley puts it, teaches us that I frequently wish to tell SBR that it is blinded by greed. But being a generally genteel person, however, I always bite my tongue.

Did SBR cancel its plans to toss quaint concepts like decency, fairness, and rational debate out the window because it had a change of heart, or is it continuing the same battle on another front? It would appear to be the latter. If SBR wants to complain, it should have an argument. It shouldn't just throw out the word "biblicopsychological", for example, and expect us to be scared. It's good that you're reading this letter. It's good that you're listening to what I'm saying. But reading and listening aren't enough. You must also be willing to help me demonstrate conclusively that SBR's protests are racism cloaked in the rhetoric of disaffected animalism.

SBR's revenge fantasies are a conduit that funnels beer-guzzling thoughts into the heads of silly stirrers, but given the way things are these days we must remember that I feel no more personal hatred for SBR than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of poisonous reptiles. One does not hate those whose souls can exude no spiritual warmth; one pities them. SBR argues that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: It has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which it has the mandate of Heaven to perpetuate myths that glorify frotteurism. Then again, just because SBR is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that the Universe belongs to it by right. SBR is too slaphappy to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that I am now in a position to define what I mean when I say that the fact that callous worrywarts find its ****-and-bull stories entertaining—indeed, titillating—is deeply horrifying to the past and potential victims of such campaigns. What I mean is that SBR's desire to paint people of different races and cultures as malicious alien forces undermining the coherent national will is the chief sign that it's a postmodernist pantywaist. (The second sign is that SBR feels obliged to seize control over where we eat, sleep, socialize, and associate with others.)

To the best of my knowledge, SBR's idea of cheeky obstructionism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a heinous blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a shameless and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a nugatory frenzy and then prompts them to ruin people's lives. Lest I seem like a hypocrite, I should tell you that it's quite sad that SBR chooses to squander its talent on this sort of antihumanist oligarchism. Let me recap that for you because it really is extraordinarily important: If SBR had two brain cells to rub together, it'd realize that there's a chance that it will hurt others physically or emotionally by the end of the decade. Well, that's extremely speculative but it is clear today that SBR wants to go to great lengths to conceal its true aims and mislead the public. Why it wants that, I don't know, but that's what it wants.

In the end, the most telling thing is that I recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of moral good. The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why if SBR truly believes that it has achieved sainthood, then maybe it should enroll in Introduction to Reality 101. We ought to educate the public on a range of issues. That'll make SBR think once—I would have said "twice" but I don't see any indication that it has previously given any thought to the matter—before trying to reduce us to acute penury.

Justice and humanity are completely on our side and nothing but illegality and barbarity are on SBR's. To cap that off, SBR talks a lot about interventionism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that I want nothing more—or less—than to scrap the entire constellation of belligerent ideas that brought us to our present point. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise.

It is both frustrating and frightening to observe the extreme ignorance—no, idiocy—present in SBR's termagant criticisms. The logical consequences of that are clear: SBR ought to unstop its ears and uncover its eyes. Only then will it hear that to which it has been too long heedless. Only then will SBR see that its entourage appears to be growing in number. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, unmistakably pray that this is analogous to the flare-up of a candle just before extinction yet I keep reminding myself that society must soon decide either to highlight all of the problems with its sneaky rantings or else to let SBR parlay personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire. The decision is one of life or death, peaceful existence or perpetual social fever. I can hope only that those in charge realize that you shouldn't let SBR intimidate you. You shouldn't let it push you around. We're the ones who are right, not SBR.

Even though one of the most mind-numbing mysteries for those of us who don't like SBR is trying to understand people who do, this does not negate the fact that SBR is always prating about how it can ignore rules, laws, and protocol without repercussion. (It used to say that honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless, but the evidence is too contrary so it's given up on that score.) The fact that SBR lacks the courage to confront me face-to-face is distressing, to say the least. One of SBR's gofers keeps throwing "scientific" studies at me, claiming they prove that it is not only acceptable but indeed desirable to discredit and intimidate the opposition. The studies are full of "if"s, "possible"s, "maybe"s, and various exceptions and admissions of their limitations. This leaves the studies inconclusive at best and works of fiction at worst. The only thing these studies can possibly prove is that SBR's primary goal is to take rights away from individuals whom only SBR perceives as mutinous. All of SBR's other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose. That's why you must always remember that SBR is reluctant to resolve problems. It always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that it has never disproved anything I've ever written. SBR does, however, often try to discredit me by means of flagrant misquotations, by attributing to me views that I've never expressed. In the end, I have to wonder where it got the idea that it is my view that it is the arbiter of all things. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is.

Allotheism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's SBR's favorite; it makes it easy for it to fan the flames of escapism into a planet-spanning inferno. SBR's précis are built on lies and they depend on make-believe for their continuation. Now, I am all for freedom of speech, but I undeniably hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before SBR does any real damage. Or is it already too late? We should be able to look into our own souls for the answer. If we do, I suspect we'll find that SBR's causing all sorts of problems for us. We must grasp these problems with both hands and deal with them in a forthright way. SBR plans to destroy that which is the envy of—and model for—the entire civilized world. It has instructed its peons not to discuss this or even admit to its plan's existence. Obviously, SBR knows it has something to hide. I would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that SBR can't discuss anything without talking about particularism.

Oh, and I think I am actually going to the event I previously posted about

 

[Spin-Dash]

. . . . .

What?

 

[Kinzer]

Replace "The SBR" with "The government" and watch the lulz you get from the comparisons.

Steak.

 

[Napilopez]

Steak Lords form above, that was verbose memphis. Very eloquently written I must say, even if a little trite in its execution. So much... vocab. And people call me smart XD.

 

[Kinzer]

Napi, I can beat you $5 that Memphis either took a week to do those write-ups, or he copy & pasted this from somewhere or somebody who must disagree with our government system a lot, and replace a couple of words around.

Still Steak regardless. It's really funny if you can take the time to read all that junk.

 

[Le_THieN]

Well, I knew it was coming. In fact, I predicted it quite a long time ago when I said that SBR would "solve" all our problems by talking them to death. And now that it has, we must sincerely tell you a little bit about SBR and its scummy harangues. In the text that follows, I don't intend to recount all of the damage caused by SBR's stultiloquent cajoleries but I do want to point out that I'm not very conversant with SBR's background. To be quite frank, I don't care to be. I already know enough to state with confidence that we are at war. Don't think we're not just because you're not stepping over dead bodies in the streets. We're at war with SBR's quarrelsome values. We're at war with its venal hatchet jobs. And we're at war with its disloyal artifices. As in any war, we ought to be aware of the fact that SBR claims that everything is happy and fine and good. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in its personal attacks. Then again, if SBR had lived the short, sickly, miserable life of a chattel serf in the ages "before technocracy" it wouldn't be so keen to create a Frankenstein's monster. Maybe it'd even begin to realize that it attracts illiberal nutcases to its camp by telling them that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. I suppose the people to whom it tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, the name SBR has become nearly synonymous with incomprehensible evil. In fact, I have said that to SBR on many occasions and I will keep on saying it until it stops trying to jawbone aimlessly.

Given SBR's record of shady dealings, we can say that every time it utters or writes a statement that supports gnosticism—even indirectly—it sends a message that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, contend that we mustn't let it make such statements, partly because it proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to promote autism's traits as normative values to be embraced, but primarily because we must operate on today's real—not tomorrow's ideal—political terrain. This call to action begins with you. You must be the first to beat SBR at its own game. You must be the one to step back and consider the problem of its pronouncements in the larger picture of popular culture imagery. And you must inform your fellow man that if my own experience has taught me anything, it's that if we fail to direct our efforts toward clearly defined goals and measure progress toward those goals as frequently and as objectively as possible then all of our sacrifices will be as forgotten as the sand blowing across Ozymandias's dead empire. The "decay of that colossal wreck," as the poet Shelley puts it, teaches us that I frequently wish to tell SBR that it is blinded by greed. But being a generally genteel person, however, I always bite my tongue.

Did SBR cancel its plans to toss quaint concepts like decency, fairness, and rational debate out the window because it had a change of heart, or is it continuing the same battle on another front? It would appear to be the latter. If SBR wants to complain, it should have an argument. It shouldn't just throw out the word "biblicopsychological", for example, and expect us to be scared. It's good that you're reading this letter. It's good that you're listening to what I'm saying. But reading and listening aren't enough. You must also be willing to help me demonstrate conclusively that SBR's protests are racism cloaked in the rhetoric of disaffected animalism.

SBR's revenge fantasies are a conduit that funnels beer-guzzling thoughts into the heads of silly stirrers, but given the way things are these days we must remember that I feel no more personal hatred for SBR than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of poisonous reptiles. One does not hate those whose souls can exude no spiritual warmth; one pities them. SBR argues that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: It has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which it has the mandate of Heaven to perpetuate myths that glorify frotteurism. Then again, just because SBR is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that the Universe belongs to it by right. SBR is too slaphappy to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that I am now in a position to define what I mean when I say that the fact that callous worrywarts find its ****-and-bull stories entertaining—indeed, titillating—is deeply horrifying to the past and potential victims of such campaigns. What I mean is that SBR's desire to paint people of different races and cultures as malicious alien forces undermining the coherent national will is the chief sign that it's a postmodernist pantywaist. (The second sign is that SBR feels obliged to seize control over where we eat, sleep, socialize, and associate with others.)

To the best of my knowledge, SBR's idea of cheeky obstructionism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a heinous blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a shameless and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a nugatory frenzy and then prompts them to ruin people's lives. Lest I seem like a hypocrite, I should tell you that it's quite sad that SBR chooses to squander its talent on this sort of antihumanist oligarchism. Let me recap that for you because it really is extraordinarily important: If SBR had two brain cells to rub together, it'd realize that there's a chance that it will hurt others physically or emotionally by the end of the decade. Well, that's extremely speculative but it is clear today that SBR wants to go to great lengths to conceal its true aims and mislead the public. Why it wants that, I don't know, but that's what it wants.

In the end, the most telling thing is that I recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of moral good. The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why if SBR truly believes that it has achieved sainthood, then maybe it should enroll in Introduction to Reality 101. We ought to educate the public on a range of issues. That'll make SBR think once—I would have said "twice" but I don't see any indication that it has previously given any thought to the matter—before trying to reduce us to acute penury.

Justice and humanity are completely on our side and nothing but illegality and barbarity are on SBR's. To cap that off, SBR talks a lot about interventionism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that I want nothing more—or less—than to scrap the entire constellation of belligerent ideas that brought us to our present point. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise.

It is both frustrating and frightening to observe the extreme ignorance—no, idiocy—present in SBR's termagant criticisms. The logical consequences of that are clear: SBR ought to unstop its ears and uncover its eyes. Only then will it hear that to which it has been too long heedless. Only then will SBR see that its entourage appears to be growing in number. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, unmistakably pray that this is analogous to the flare-up of a candle just before extinction yet I keep reminding myself that society must soon decide either to highlight all of the problems with its sneaky rantings or else to let SBR parlay personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire. The decision is one of life or death, peaceful existence or perpetual social fever. I can hope only that those in charge realize that you shouldn't let SBR intimidate you. You shouldn't let it push you around. We're the ones who are right, not SBR.

Even though one of the most mind-numbing mysteries for those of us who don't like SBR is trying to understand people who do, this does not negate the fact that SBR is always prating about how it can ignore rules, laws, and protocol without repercussion. (It used to say that honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless, but the evidence is too contrary so it's given up on that score.) The fact that SBR lacks the courage to confront me face-to-face is distressing, to say the least. One of SBR's gofers keeps throwing "scientific" studies at me, claiming they prove that it is not only acceptable but indeed desirable to discredit and intimidate the opposition. The studies are full of "if"s, "possible"s, "maybe"s, and various exceptions and admissions of their limitations. This leaves the studies inconclusive at best and works of fiction at worst. The only thing these studies can possibly prove is that SBR's primary goal is to take rights away from individuals whom only SBR perceives as mutinous. All of SBR's other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose. That's why you must always remember that SBR is reluctant to resolve problems. It always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that it has never disproved anything I've ever written. SBR does, however, often try to discredit me by means of flagrant misquotations, by attributing to me views that I've never expressed. In the end, I have to wonder where it got the idea that it is my view that it is the arbiter of all things. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is.

Allotheism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's SBR's favorite; it makes it easy for it to fan the flames of escapism into a planet-spanning inferno. SBR's précis are built on lies and they depend on make-believe for their continuation. Now, I am all for freedom of speech, but I undeniably hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before SBR does any real damage. Or is it already too late? We should be able to look into our own souls for the answer. If we do, I suspect we'll find that SBR's causing all sorts of problems for us. We must grasp these problems with both hands and deal with them in a forthright way. SBR plans to destroy that which is the envy of—and model for—the entire civilized world. It has instructed its peons not to discuss this or even admit to its plan's existence. Obviously, SBR knows it has something to hide. I would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that SBR can't discuss anything without talking about particularism.

Oh, and I think I am actually going to the event I previously posted about

LOL.

You're at war with the SBR?

Kiddo, it's just a video game.

I am and will continue to be the primary impetus behind the SBR's reconsideration of Sonic.

Sonic is good.

Chill the **** out.

 

[Kinzer]

Thien, MC has gone insane by this point, we all made a verdict on it when he made these long posts in the true SBR. Besides that I think he's kidding, because if he was serious about this. That is just sad to see yet another (good?) Sonic main go away.

Uh BTW, what do you think about Sonic after the tourney?

 

[Napilopez]

Napi, I can beat you $5 that Memphis either took a week to do those write-ups, or he copy & pasted this from somewhere or somebody who must disagree with our government system a lot, and replace a couple of words around.

Still Steak regardless. It's really funny if you can take the time to read all that junk.

Ahahaha, you were right, I found individual sections of his post by googling sentences in quotation marks XD.

Still, pretty darn funny, I can't believed I thought he wrote it all himself lawll.

LOL.

You're at war with the SBR?

Kiddo, it's just a video game.

I am and will continue to be the primary impetus behind the SBR's reconsideration of Sonic.

Sonic is good.

Chill the **** out.

<3 Hedgehog Tamer.

 

[Kinzer]

I always thought there was a program out there (IIRC, my school said they had this same thing) that would check over the internet to see how much of your work has been used if it isn't unique. But Google solves all problems. :X

Oh snap, I guess we'll have to take the title back, seeing as how he didn't tranquilize Espy and let him go on a winning Steak. :D

 

[Le_THieN]

Thien, MC has gone insane by this point, we all made a verdict on it when he made these long posts in the true SBR. Besides that I think he's kidding, because if he was serious about this. That is just sad to see yet another (good?) Sonic main go away.

Uh BTW, what do you think about Sonic after the tourney?

To be completely honest, I feel about the Sonic as did before I had to play Espy.

There were two people going into this past weekend that I wanted to avoid playing if at all possible: Santi (Toon Link) and Espy. Diddy Kong has a not very fun match-up against Toon Link, and I barely beat Mr. 3K through sheer force of will and temporary mind games that held up in the third match of our set. I haven't even had time to study the Sonic match-up deep enough to feel like I was ready to take on one of the best (if not the most premiere) Sonic main in the country, so I was pretty positive that my match with Espy would be 1,000 times more difficult than it was with 3K, especially since Espy had Diddy experience against FlipHop.

I told d4bA (Damien) of Dallas that I even though he was my friend, I was only rooting for him to win because I have almost a year's worth of match-up experience against Meta Knights. I've beaten every Meta Knight in the state of Texas in tournament, and the only one I haven't had to face in brackets to this date is Dojo (although I have to say the likelihood of me beating him is slim, based on our past friendlies). I had already beaten in Damien in two tournaments before that weekend, and would have much rather faced another MK than a Sonic I still had no experience against. I even told Espy long before our bracket face-off how scared I was of him. =)

And lo and behold, he wrecked me.

I'm not even close to upset about this fact though: deep down somewhere, I wanted him to place as well as he did because I wanted people to realize that he is very much a tournament-viable character. Espy has gone toe-to-toe with all the best Snakes, MKs, and Diddy Kongs in our region and has either prevailed or come frighteningly close. This may be purely an instance of Espy just being bad-*** with a bad character, but the fact of the matter is that he still did it with Sonic.

And that, my friends, is something to be saluted.

Sonic will be very good before Brawl is all said and done with. You heard it here first.

 

[Napilopez]

w00t w00t.

Just to acknowledge some stuff, I guess thats what we've been trying to get at, Sonic is indeed tourney viable. He may not have the obscene properties and attributes some of the top tier characters have, but there is something about him that gives him the tools to do well in tournaments in the right hands. I think probably his adaptability, and how matchups are almost more dependent on personal play style than on character attributes.

Espy is amazing regardless though.

 

[Spin-Dash]

I'm using a Melee example, but I think it kinda fits too.

In contrast to the many Fox, Marth, Captain Falcon, and Falcos out there that could chew a low tier/mid tier apart when in the right hands? I witnessed something amazing.

At Melee's End, December 2007, in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Kage is considered one of the best Ganondorf users in the world. Mid tier, to my knowledge. Big names such as FalseFalco, MikeMonkey, SuPeRbOoM were all competing as well.

They all used the high/top tier material and performed REALLY well with them. Kage went PURELY Ganondorf in this tournament, to my knowledge, and he took 1st place when FalseFalco was expected to win it all with his spacies, tippers, and falcon punches. And yet look at what hard work can do. Sure, Sonic's low tier in contrast to Ganon's mid tier status in Melee, but surprises do happen.

And potential in characters can be brought to the surface and open the eyes of many, and it's starting to happen in Brawl for characters like Sonic.

Sonic's tourney viable, if not capable of wiping the floor with some of the competition if the one using that character is willing to work hard enough for it. Long story short, anything can happen, and Sonic's the kind of character that has players to make it happen.

 

[Tenki]

I'm not even close to upset about this fact though: deep down somewhere, I wanted him to place as well as he did because I wanted people to realize that he is very much a tournament-viable character. Espy has gone toe-to-toe with all the best Snakes, MKs, and Diddy Kongs in our region and has either prevailed or come frighteningly close. This may be purely an instance of Espy just being bad-*** with a bad character, but the fact of the matter is that he still did it with Sonic.

And that, my friends, is something to be saluted.

Sonic will be very good before Brawl is all said and done with. You heard it here first.

lol part of the thing is this:
Even after you learn the Sonic matchup, aside from move tendencies, the thing you learn is that Sonic's AT's and such are almost all mixup moves. So even if you know what Sonic is capable of, the person playing Sonic has a few extra tools to use to mix up and fool you into a grab, smash, etc.

So it's still very possible that even after you learn the matchup, it's still very possible that you may still not have a good idea of what the Sonic player is doing, unless you learn the player's tendencies.

Brawl Singles

1.) Byaa! (Metaknight)
2.) M@v (Fox)
3.) ithrowthings (Sonic)
4.) Bowz (Falco)
5.) Phoenix Dark (Sonic)
5.) GW jumpman (R.O.B)
7.) Brad King (Snake)
7.) L (Snake)
9.) Camalange (Sonic)
9.) Vario (DDD)
9.) Skipper (Metaknight)
9.) Kawaii (Fox)
13.) Greg(Lucario)
13.) Mitchy
13.) Crews (samus)
13.) Colaya (Marth)
17.) Vegeta
17.) DeadVoldo
17.) RHCP fan (Lucas)
17.) Brett
17.) Lawz
17.) Menardi
17.) Bump (Kirby)
17.) Grant
25.) Nin
25.) miro
25.) Dr.Pepper
25.) C-Los
25.) Sigma
25.) Legato
25.) Bob
25.) Rohm
33.) Brandon
33.) Ryan


Brawl Low tiers

1.Byaa! (Ness)
2.Phoenix Dark (Sonic)
3.Ithrowthings (Sonic)
4.Camalage (Sonic)
5.kawaii (Pokemon Trainer)
5.L
7.Golden Joe
7.RHCP fan (Lucas)
9.bump
9. Vario
9.Brett
9.C-Los
13.Colaya (Pokemon Trainer)
13.Brandon
13.M@v (Samus)
13.Lawz
17.Will
17.Willshi
17.Skipper
17.Brad King
17.Dr.Pepper
17.DeadVoldo
17.MhCy
17.Miro

10woots for PD and ithrowthings.

and lmao @ low tier raep.

 

[ithrowthings]

lol part of the thing is this:
Even after you learn the Sonic matchup, aside from move tendencies, the thing you learn is that Sonic's AT's and such are almost all mixup moves. So even if you know what Sonic is capable of, the person playing Sonic has a few extra tools to use to mix up and fool you into a grab, smash, etc.

So it's still very possible that even after you learn the matchup, it's still very possible that you may still not have a good idea of what the Sonic player is doing, unless you learn the player's tendencies.



10woots for PD and ithrowthings.

and lmao @ low tier raep.

totally true. I fight BYAA! all the time and he still gets caught by my short hop down b shield cancelled shield grab (not sure what you guys call these AT's)

It's so unfair though cause I've trained BYAA! to be a pretty intense sonic killer... He kills Sonic with rather high efficiency because he's had SOOOO much training against the character. That's definitely the reason he won low tier and most likely didn't hurt him in singles when he knocked me out in semi-finals...

I just hope I don't have to sign any more shirts at the tourney I'm going to this weekend....

 

[Tenki]

totally true. I fight BYAA! all the time and he still gets caught by my short hop down b shield cancelled shield grab (not sure what you guys call these AT's)

the shieldcancel was the original "AT", and the grab was practical usage ;3

though I'm surprised he doesn't spotdodge it. People who play me online almost always either spotdodge the grab or just grab me before I do anything lol.

 

[Le_THieN]

lol part of the thing is this:
Even after you learn the Sonic matchup, aside from move tendencies, the thing you learn is that Sonic's AT's and such are almost all mixup moves. So even if you know what Sonic is capable of, the person playing Sonic has a few extra tools to use to mix up and fool you into a grab, smash, etc.

Mix-ups are a fundamental component to fighting games that all players (as opposed to characters) are capable of deploying. It is not something that is restricted to special button inputs. Quite literally everyone is capable of it. However, that's not to say that everyone uses mix-ups equally - top players will be the ones who demonstrate the highest level of efficiency in this area most frequently.

While some characters such as Sonic have "advanced techniques" that broaden the spectrum of mix-up options he has, this does not necessarily make his mix-ups more infallible, or even better. I admit that the few I witnessed this past weekend are quite cool and tricky, but they are certainly not unbeatable.

Espy is an amazing player, but the Sonic match-up is not quite as difficult as I previously imagined it to be. I don't want to divulge too much more information regarding this without properly testing it (or until I get chance to play Espy again), so I'll just leave this at that. =)

 

[Tenki]

Mix-ups are a fundamental component to fighting games that all players (as opposed to characters) are capable of deploying. It is not something that is restricted to special button inputs. Quite literally everyone is capable of it. However, that's not to say that everyone uses mix-ups equally - top players will be the ones who demonstrate the highest level of efficiency in this area most frequently.

While some characters such as Sonic have "advanced techniques" that broaden the spectrum of mix-up options he has, this does not necessarily make his mix-ups more infallible, or even better. I admit that the few I witnessed this past weekend are quite cool and tricky, but they are certainly not unbeatable.

Espy is an amazing player, but the Sonic match-up is not quite as difficult as I previously imagined it to be. I don't want to divulge too much more information regarding this without properly testing it (or until I get chance to play Espy again), so I'll just leave this at that. =)

erm, I should have worded it better as 'mixup options'.

But yeah, pretty much what you said.

There's almost always a right choice and a wrong choice when faced with one, and the point of it is to get your opponent to make the wrong choice lol.

 

[Le_THieN]

erm, I should have worded it better as 'mixup options'.

But yeah, pretty much what you said.

There's almost always a right choice and a wrong choice when faced with one, and the point of it is to get your opponent to make the wrong choice lol.

lulz I'M SO SMART

But yeah, we're arguing for nothing then. Whatever, I like good conversation.

Anyway, I will beat you, Espy!

 

[Espy Rose]

Anyway, I will beat you, Espy!

You probably will.

I'm going to have to get better. ;_ ;

 

[MalcolmM]

Espy u should come with texas to cot4