Sonic Tournament Results CHANGING THIS TITLE

[Jim Morrison]

No way to spread it?

Smashboards.

Dutch people need to lrn2internet :/ There's like 40 Dutch people on here, spread trough the country, all too lazy/young to travel more than 100 kilometres. It won't happen in Rotterdam.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i see...

that blows.

my suggestion?

everytime you meet somebody who plays brawl, money match them, smack the hell out of them and take their money. eventually some of the people you play with will want to get good, and at that point you canget better with them.

 

[Jim Morrison]

You don't know who plays Smash and who doesn't. And stealing their money by owning them would probably discourage them to actually play me. If you keep losing 5 EUROS to a person that you play with, would you still bother after 3 matches? O_o

 

[Deleted member]

he can't warn/infract me if he wanted to.

the sonic boards are the running joke of the SBR/ Staffer Shack. You guys could at least attempt to make yourselves less...awful.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Any ideas on how to do that? Frankly we're one of the more productive boards o.O...
Also, likewise, SBR is usually the joke of Sonic boards... D-tilt, seriously?

 

[Camalange]

Yeah, do please explain.

Hey guys, I'm leaving for my tournament this Friday, any advice? It's my first legit tournament, and they're expecting 40-50 people.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Want to know something funny?

the SBR are the running joke of the Sonic Boards. You guys could at least attempt to make yourselves less...awful.

fits wayyy too easily...

anyway, if you want to see us be less awful...

you could check any of tenkis threads.
JBs Sonic Lab
My AT thread...

theres a bunch others but i figured ill give you a place to start

i mean how many other boards are still advancing their characters and improving their metagames?

and no "OH EM GEE, WE CAN TECH FALCOS CHAINSPIKE!!" doesnt count...
we have the fifth worst character in the game and hes been a steady 20th on ankokus rankings...

i think this board has at least a little to do with that.

 

[Chis]

he can't warn/infract me if he wanted to.

the sonic boards are the running joke of the SBR/ Staffer Shack. You guys could at least attempt to make yourselves less...awful.

That explains these:

It's a red herring XD


Sonic is mostly limited by his low priority. MK's d-tilt in place > everything Sonic has.

I beat Anther's Sonic, after being down a stock, because OS was standing right there and said "dastrn: don't move and hit down tilt."

It worked. Sonic is garbage.

Past that, Sonic is pretty bad. Doesn't his dash attack go over Diddy Bananas, without picking them up. I think Prime told me that once.

Sonic definitely is a top tier character with items on. He gets the items, they work for him, and they solve his KO problem.

What does Mr. 3000 and the like do with him that is different? From what I've seen, all the "good" Sonic players do is no different than the "bad" Sonic players... the good sonic players just do it better and call their opponent on more.

It seems Sonic's entire game is based around punishment.

I think the best way to fight sonic is to throw out attacks as quickly as possible and to pretend his attacks don't exist. It works alarmingly well.

BTW, can a mod edit the OP? It would be way to much bother to remake. Also when does Memphis get unbanned?

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

he can't warn/infract me if he wanted to.

the sonic boards are the running joke of the SBR/ Staffer Shack. You guys could at least attempt to make yourselves less...awful.

Awful in what way? I personally would like some explanation please

 

[da K.I.D.]

thats part of the joke, hes not going to help us...

it doesnt matter whne MC gets unbanned, hes just going to pop his mouth off and get banned again. Hes going the way of Boxob, the only difference being that MC probably wont come back after his permaban.

when I get all the results down, ZV is going to edit the OP with all of them.

 

[Deleted member]

good ****, earnest replies.

the sonic boards are considered awful mostly because of spam, not the character progression. Today is the first time I've ever seen the sonic boards, and the first thing I see is ~ 30 consecutive spam posts with haunter. To the SBR/staffer shack, that looks pretty bad (the SBR is mostly mods now anyway). The fact that you guys gave me some good posts shows that you guys care, idk why there's so much spam otherwise.

As for the quote thing you pulled out.

1. I skipped OS and Dastrn, I disagree with them on literally every subject available and I think that they are both wrong 100% of the time. If you pull out quotes from people that I like (ankoku, kishprime, marc, m3d) then maybe I'll be in trouble. OS also plays a different copy of smash than we do where he lives snake's upair with MK @ 180 at the top of Lylat Cruise. In our version of the game, it kills pretty solidly around 100%. lol.
2. I haven't said anything useful in any character review yet and I don't plan on starting now. I don't even think they're useful.

I don't think spam is entirely a bad thing. Like all social things, it can build up the room in its own ways. Just not the majority of topics for the majority of posts. Maybe we should request Xiivi to make a thread specifically dictated for spam (without warnings/infractions) so it doesn't blatantly own this character discussion board? It seems like a happy medium solution to me.

I've seen Tenki discussed for mod status I think and then ~5 people shut down the idea in that no one from the Sonic Boards should ever make SBR/Mod status. I didn't read it much, but I'm just saying. The community rep is really bad, and apparently it doesn't have to be.

edit: almost every infraction in this thread is covered by the locked sticky topic about reporting spam.

 

[Chis]

I don't think spam is entirely a bad thing. Like all social things, it can build up the room in its own ways. Just not the majority of topics for the majority of posts. Maybe we should request Xiivi to make a thread specifically dictated for spam (without warnings/infractions) so it doesn't blatantly own this character discussion board? It seems like a happy medium solution to me.

The Sonic boards love sir.

A chat room thread should do it. If Xiivi approves, I will make one.

I've seen Tenki discussed for mod status I think and then ~5 people shut down the idea in that no one from the Sonic Boards should ever make SBR/Mod status. I didn't read it much, but I'm just saying. The community rep is really bad, and apparently it doesn't have to be.

They should be thrown out IMO. Just because he mains Sonic, he can't be a moderator? They don't even know him. I wont go as far as discrimination, but their opinions should be ignored. Mind naming them?

 

[Kinzer]

Alright, before I go off-topic, I'll start by saying that I'll be going to the Play N' Trade weekly next Monday, because my mother will be taking me. I'm tired of having to rely on my father who never wants to go because "it's too cold!". @#$%, if it was too cold, I'll just bring a sweater and @#$%, but it wasn't cold to begin with! I'll see if I can do better this time around going all Sonic again. There's going to be doubles as well, and I might just go Ike/Sonic or just full Ike since he seems to do better for me in teams.

As for Umbreon:

Welcome to the Sonic boards, A.K.A. the back-alley of SWF!

But seriously...

This place would be very boring, and Sonic as a character doesn't roll like that, he goes for excitement, and that's what we're having everytime we go to this place.

That's good that you disagree, because we'll probably never let the junk about Sonic's "priority" and stuff die. I mean that stuff was too golden.

I'm glad you see it our way, just because we go a little off-topic doesn't mean we can't be productive. the posts about that kind of stuff just keeps us optimistic. It's really depressing to play the 5th worst character, you know. Also we already have a place to escape infractions, it's called the Editted: You'll never find our secret hideout, yeah boi!!, you should know what that is.... I think.... hehehehehe....

I dunno about Tenki becoming a mod, AFAIK, he said he never wanted to be a mod, and by this point, no Sonic boarder has a ghost of a chance to acheive mod status. It's true, we have a bad rep, and even if any of us did have a shot, we would have to work extra.

 

[da K.I.D.]

@ chis
SBR dont name dudes like that.

and if thats the case with the mods, than we are lucky we got xivii as far as somebody that one of us knows personally, and is willing to discuss things with us.

The weird thing is that you say sonic doesnt get a bad rep for character progress, which i am happy to hear, but it confounds me more as to why he got and is going to be shafted on the tier list again. but im past the point of worrying too much and its neither here nor there.

and yes that is discrimination.

also <3 umbreon again. hes a chill dude

btw umbreon, are you coming to rochester again? we got a 2 day melee/brawl tourney coming up the end of next month.

EDIT: i think i could be a decent mod, but i think you have to have like a spotless record and a complete understanding of the rules. which is bad for me since, ive been banned once. and ive gotten 2 points and a warning in the 3-4 days since xivii got here
and you should have seen tenkis SBR application...
IT SUCKED BALLS...

 

[Kinzer]

LOL, nobody from the Sonic boards can be moderators, they have to have an udnerstanding of the rules and a spotless record (as K.I.D. said), and not only that, but they have to be intellectual and active at the same time.... I fill the active portion of that requirement. Not so sure about the smartness, but I think I'm a better choice than some random person... >.>

Seriously though, if you see a red name with a Sonic icon, I bet the world would explode.

Is it okay to post Haunter? Maybe not...

 

[Deleted member]

here's a gem that made me laugh:

The sonic boards are good for seeing what would happen if evolution never took place. Lets not give them the power to hurt themselves.

No, I can't give names, it's a private forum.

If Sonic is considered bad, just be happy when you humiliate people with the 5th worst character. I play Ike, who is probably moving down to low tier, which makes no sense because he gays the **** out of low tier. I would just take your free victory and move on, lol.

For the record, my main in Melee is Zelda. One time I entered a low tier teams tournament and averaged 7.6 KOs per match. If the tier list is stupid, abuse it.

I think I'll be *********** by the weather and school and money issues as usual, but since I got my car there, it might be good to take it to the dealer to get it checked up. I told Kelvin I'm not going, but I'd really like to.

 

[da K.I.D.]

for the record, i stopped posting pogaymon about 5 posts after i figured out how to do it.

lol, I hope you guys remember my, "sonic ***** low tiers" thread...

awwww... sucks about the tourney, we need as many ppl as we can get...

 

[Kinzer]

K.I.D., I don't think I was around then.

And can somebody tell me the subliminal message behind Umbreon's quote? Like we would be better off if we couldn't moderate ourselves? I don't really get it.

If that's the case, I wouldn't abuse power, I promise!

 

[Boxob.]

mobile

you know what's gay?

i post haunters after every single post i make. if i was making a one line, flame post, threat all at the same time directed at a moderator. or if it were a full fledged guide that was amazignly well put together. they'd both get haunters.

i don't understand why everyone automatically affiliates haunter with spam. especialy considering that a majority of my posts now and days are well thought out and help at least one person.

haunterspam, ive seen it refferd to as. why? for what reason? the only people who go around mindlessly spamming them are those who mock it.

in all honesty, as something that i'm known for, im kinda upset that its so infamous. :/

 

[Camalange]

Umbreon, I think I can speak on behalf of the rest of the boards here that we truley appreciate this discussion we're having right now. Most mods usually would just be like "lol, sonic sux, u guys r dum. /discussion" but you come off as a respectable person and actually care. I appreciate it.

I can understand where the whole spam thing can come into play, but like stated before, that's what keeps us going. We're one of the most active and productive boards, and we're low tier. Most low tier character boards are dead :/

What I don't understand is how some of the SBR won't take the time to understand Sonic as a character and just say nonsensensical things like Chis brought up. Isn't the SBR supposed to be like all knowing intellectual smashers? Doesn't that include a complete understanding of each character's metagame?

Oh, and the Haunter thing is just cool, like Boxob stated. But to prove how earnest I am, I won't post it in this discussion. I want to get our point across as clearly as possible.

EDIT: Oh, and the fact that they wouldn't consider Tenki for a mod because he's a Sonic main is downright moronic, distasteful, and is discrimination. Tenki is one of the most intelligent posters I've ever seen on the boards.

 

[Kinzer]

Camal, you have to remember that they're humans, and even though they showed their real ignorance for Sonic when it was his due time, I really think we got to look past that and if they take a 2nd shot at Sonic, we should let them. Some of them have even gone ahead and tried Sonic... Anther (sorry for the namedrop man, but I gotta get a point across) is a good example of a SBR who shows Sonic's potential (even if he does SD with SDR a lot... :/). That's just Anther who most of the Sonic boards know well, I've heard XeeVee has a mean Sonic, and then there is SP. That's just three, I'm sure there are others in the SBR that are at least giving credit where credit is due.

Still... people like OS... never let them do anything pertaining to Sonic ever again...

Sure, these boards are kind of dead after the raid, but at least we're still trucking. You know, even if I were the only member of the Sonic boards, I would still do my best to update the threads in any way I can and keep discussions alive, because Umbreon is right, even if your character is underrated, you can't let that get you down, and I just love Sonic that much.

As for Tenki... we can't speak for him, he has to say what he plans to do himself.

 

[Camalange]

Well Kinzer, I did say SOME SBR members. Not all. But I think a requirement should be an understanding of every characters metagame >_> It just makes sense.

And if they truley don't understand a character's metagame, THEY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THAT CHARACTER'S DISCUSSION.

I wasn't saying Tenki SHOULD be a mod, I don't even think he WANTS to be
I'm just saying that if he WANTED to be a mod, he shouldn't be overlooked just because he's a Sonic main.

EDIT: I played "XeeVee"s Sonic. It's pretty solid. Like I said I don't mind him. I think he's a chill guy and is doing a good job with our boards.

Even if I already did recieve a warning and an infraction, lol.

 

[Xiivi]

Umbreon stop derailing the topic. *bans* PS: I love you MiaMax.

Also, Tenki was not discussed for mod specifically at all. :/

I've seen other mods toss around the idea of a chat topic where spam would be ignored. I also remember the idea being shot down. So I'm going to have to say no to that one. ):

Editted: You'll never find our secret hideout, yeah boi!!

Mods can see every single edit you make to any of your posts. Mods also have access to view all social groups. So there is no hiding anything really. :D

That's just Anther who most of the Sonic boards know well, I've heard XeeVee has a mean Sonic, and then there is SP. That's just three, I'm sure there are others in the SBR that are at least giving credit where credit is due.

Clarification, I'm not SBR. ):
I also doubt how mean of a Sonic I can play when it's a character I've put virtually no practice into.

EDIT: I played "XeeVee"s Sonic. It's pretty solid.

That's a better way of putting it. I play a "solid" everyone. But not a "mean" everyone as Kinzer said.

Now please let's get this topic back together. That means you too MaxMia. Whenever someone gets the results ready, I'll edit them into the first post for you.

 

[da K.I.D.]

a few last notes...
Boxy, you shouldnt have been going around handing out haunter privledges to whoever. that should just be and stay you thing, it should be indicative of boxob the same way as your king avatar. when other people do, its now under their discretion as to how they want to use it.

Tenki, would make a half decent mod, but he would be terrible in the SBR just because like you guys said, you are supposed to have a well rounded knowledge of all the characters for that and he doesnt.

ZV: his Snake, Fox, and Peach are above average. his sonic might be better than average too, but if it is, its only because of diffusion from me. lol
also, im going to gather the results and crap up tomorrow, and ill have them all formatted and ready to be editted in at some point.

 

[Boxob.]

I'm seriously considering revoking the rights of Haunter, I don't like that it has a bad name.

Internet seriousness is serious.

Xiivi's helping derail the topic by responding to off-topic posts.

lol

Who else is pumped for christmas? If I get Unleashed, you can say goodbye to me for a few days, as I plan on finding ever little thing in the game.

 

[Napilopez]

To get on topic... Any particular advice for Sonic in teams? Me and my friend who I call my cousin are likely entering one as Sonic/Snake. The dude is very smart and surprisingly good for someone who doesn't visit smashboards(started nade countering on his own), but he's still missing out on alot, so I'll try to train him some.

My Sonic is growing more polished recently, which I like alot, so I think I may become competent in tourneys now, once I actually start going to them =P My main problem is usually sloppy play, like I know what I should do, but I mess up inputs. Learning to player has helped, however.

I also gotta work on counterpick stages, since I usually stink at them, I mostly only play neutrals =/

 

[Boxob.]

Sonic in teams, try to stay as far away from the team mates opponent as possible. You're fast enough that if they do need help, you can rush in in under a second from wherever they are.

Dthrow set-ups.

Nades really puts you in a bad position, try not to get hit by them.

Snakes a queer.

 

[Deleted member]

I was SBR status way before Brawl was released (I was accepted July 2003 from my join date of November 2002, which is really good) and I can honestly say that I don't know **** about Brawl at all. My sole purpose in the SBR at this point is to make sure that we aren't giving Tournament Organizers (TOs) a ******** rule set and to otherwise facilitate community growth.

Which brings me to you guys. If you have all of your **** together, I see no reason as to why this particular forum has to get all the crap.

I will be on AIM later tonight Eastern Standard Time after all of my Christmas festivities are over, and I'm sure some of you will be the same. Catch me @ MycatgoesMow so we can BS. I'm looking @ Xiivi, Kinzer, Camalange, KID, Chis specifically, but anyone is free to message me. I think I have a plan to fix this err.

I have also requested modship for this forum, if that's cool with you guys.

edit: yeah can we stop flipping **** at the offensive stuff I gave you guys? The point was that you'd see it and help me fix it, not to get mad about it and complain. Thanks.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I've seen Tenki discussed for mod status I think and then ~5 people shut down the idea in that no one from the Sonic Boards should ever make SBR/Mod status. I didn't read it much, but I'm just saying. The community rep is really bad, and apparently it doesn't have to be.

This is bull****. I don't personally care about WHO is mod as long as the section is watched over and Xiivi is doing his job well so I won't complain about that. HOWEVER I think that the idea that no one from the Sonic boards can ever be in the SBR/Mod is bull. Making generalizations like that is discrimination. Look at the person not the background. Very few things if any piss me off more than bigotry whether it be over race, sexual orientation, financial background, choice of a video game character or whatever. I feel as though some of the Sonic boards are guilty of that as well. Saying all SBRoomers are idiots because of the comments of some. If you feel as though a person's value in a community can be determined based on certain affiliations you deserve to rot in hell.


Sorry for the spam.

 

[da K.I.D.]

terios is right.

mow, that whole reverse psychology thing was a **** move, but its w/e

i dont have AIM, i gots da yahoo.

as for sonic/snake, its a great team. down throw into up tilt.
protip, have snake put C4 on you. Sonic is so fast that its impossible for him NOT to transfer it to someone else.
sonic actually gives snake a reason to do up throw, cause up/back/forward throw to (spring) up air, is sexy.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I had a neat "combo" once. I was stuck with a C4 Dthrow to Snake Ftilt to Sonic Uair to spring uair C4 transfer Splosion. Not practical but neat.


Wait. Why are we talking about this here? We have a teammate thread don't we?

 

[da K.I.D.]

this is the tourney thread, we talk about anything that has to do with tourneys.

doubles tourneys count as well

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Bah, I missed out on all the fun
I do agree with what the Sonic mains said though - generalizing is a big no-no. Besides, if you can't have fun, why bother visiting these forums?
(And just for the record, I'm completely clean. No warnings, no infractions, no nothing. I'm a good little boy)

Moving back on, I thought doubles tourney results didn't contribute towards things such as Ankoku's list/rankings? The rankings are solely based on Single Offlines right?

 

[ROOOOY!]

Got another smashfest next month, should be a bigger turnout then last time. Probably a tourney the month after, which I'd like to but may not top 8 in, as it's likely to bring in the best Brawl players in the UK D;

=========================================

Anyway, a lot has happened since I've been missing for a few days. The one thing that has annoyed me for such a long time, like everybody else has already picked up on, is the generalisations. We have more productive MEMBERS then any of the other character boards, I'd put money on that being the case. Kinzer, Napilopez, Infzy, Camalange, Terios, Tenki and many others are unbias and intelligent members. We have a max of 4 or 5 people who spam occasionally, and even then, this 'spam' is usually included with perfectly intelligent posts. Yes, it's unneccessary, but it stops the forums getting boring. Brawl is a boring game, people are doing what they can to keep people coming to this site. It's not like we're even the worst spammers here, from what I've seen, old Lucario boards ( before they died D; ) Lucas boards and Jiggz boards (I love those guys) are pretty much worse then we are.

Umbreon, I'd like to thank you for being honest to us. We pretty much knew we were the laughing stock of the whole site, anyway. This funnily enough isn't down to our doing, at least not entirely.

Now, I'm one of those Sonic mains that did post outside these boards to contribute towards general discussions (tier lists, match ups, that kind of thing) before we became 'spammy', but I could feel massive bias towards my point of view basically every time I said anything, even when discussing things with intelligent members. Myself and the few others who used to talk outside sort of gave up after anything we said was diregarded simply because we mained a 'joke' character. We've proven countless times that Sonic is not one of the worst characters in Brawl (being consistantly better then more or less half the cast in Ankoku's results list for example) yet we still couldn't be taken seriously. We stayed in our boards after this, got bored because we've discussed everything there is to Sonic 21434532453434 times because Brawl is a shallow as hell game, and so 'spammed' (apparently posting Haunter at the end of perfectly legit posts is considered spam now :/ ) to avoid getting bored.

Speaking of which.

 

[Napilopez]

I like Umbrreon :D

Lolz Thanks guys,

KID, I had already thought of that XD.

Grabbing Snake into bthrow offstage for the KO is awesome too.

Or mortar slide>projectile hit, Uair chase death.

Also, Sonic can get by nades fine so long as he isn't spinning all over the place. He can actually use them to his advantage.

 

[Kinzer]

Which brings me to you guys. If you have all of your **** together, I see no reason as to why this particular forum has to get all the crap.

I will be on AIM later tonight Eastern Standard Time after all of my Christmas festivities are over, and I'm sure some of you will be the same. Catch me @ MycatgoesMow so we can BS. I'm looking @ Xiivi, Kinzer, Camalange, KID, Chis specifically, but anyone is free to message me. I think I have a plan to fix this err.

I have also requested modship for this forum, if that's cool with you guys.

edit: yeah can we stop flipping **** at the offensive stuff I gave you guys? The point was that you'd see it and help me fix it, not to get mad about it and complain. Thanks.

Rawr okay, I don't know what **** your talking about, but okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about how when we post outside of the Sonic boards, usually people take us as a joke or something? Whatever you have to say, it out to be good.

I don't see what problem there could be, if for whatever reason XeeVee decides to quit moderating us, you could take his job or something. Two mods though... eh, I don't know how you guys work back there.

Also IT'S A TRAP! Yeah okay but no seriously, I could only laugh when you said your "offensive" remarks. You said we were the joke of the SBr/Staff Shack, but the SBR is our joke when anybody talks about Sonic/s "priority" and how every DTilt in the game is better than Sonic as a character in whole.

Also Terios is right, I'm not completely angry at the SBR, just the morons that don't take the time to seriously accept Sonic as a serious character. Anthuh (no namedrop) alone should be my basis to say that I can respect some SBR members, and of course there are many others that I won't go to mention because they should know who they are if I say they do a good job.

As for staying on-topic... I don't think I'll be able to find a partner by the time I go to Monday's tourney, I think people are strongly discouraged when you play with the Wiimote, moreso you're almost a random person who plays Sonic. Even if I don't participate in the doubles tourney, you can bet I'll try to kick some a** in singles. XD

Oh BTW, I find the actual tournament results, it just so happens that the TO's girlfriend happen to record the information on AiB.

http://allisbrawl.com/profile.aspx?id=16837

That's my AiB profile, if you look at the placings, I really did get 17th out of 45 people, I thought it was 44 but whatever. Now if you people doubted me for a second (you know who you are) you can go suck on some rotten Steak.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Moving back on, I thought doubles tourney results didn't contribute towards things such as Ankoku's list/rankings? The rankings are solely based on Single Offlines right?

yes but this isnt ankokus thread, and as the sonic tourney thread we have free reign to speak about anything that has anything to do with sonic in tourneys, whether it be singles, doubles, on line, off line, items,

Spoiler

lol

or even low tiers.

Spoiler

Sonic ***** low tiers.

 

[Kinzer]

Sonic is top-tier with items on.

Trufax.

 

[da K.I.D.]

especially smash balls

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

A Smash fest/possible tourney ROOOOY?

*sigh* I wish I could go so much...I'd like to prove my worth just at least once