theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
I'm sure he considered it.
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So you know they hacked Wavedashing into brawl right?
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null55
Smash Master
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Lol@this evaluating Brawl discussion. If they tinker with Brawl to make it Melee-like with a bigger roster, I'm in. They're just games. If Brawl was kind of disappointing and you can tinker with it, by all means do so. That sounds like fun...
Bottom Line: I just want to play Ike with l-cancel and WD. -_-;;
Bottom Line: I just want to play Ike with l-cancel and WD. -_-;;
Kamano
Smash Journeyman
I'll go ahead and say right now that Ike + WDing is pretty awesome.
Tripping effects everyone negatively, even people who only play for fun with smashballs, items 10 min matches coin matches bonus matches stamina matches 1 hand matches only the b button matches w/e.
Tripping is dumb, its negative in all aspects, there no positives to it.
No one likes tripping, like..no one. Even Casual players. My friends think tripping is ******** to the poitn where they dont even play the game lol.
XIF
Smash Master
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
XIF's new sig = win
Brawl = Fail
Meta Knight = Broken
Wavedashing in Brawl = Makes the game .01% better
All the people bashing it = can suck my ****
I'd like to reiterate = XIF's sig is awesome.
Brawl = Fail
Meta Knight = Broken
Wavedashing in Brawl = Makes the game .01% better
All the people bashing it = can suck my ****
I'd like to reiterate = XIF's sig is awesome.
Metroid_01
Smash Journeyman
XIF's sig is win.
Tripping is fun times if you dont care about the outcome imo. Brawl is generally just good for some lols, not for tournaments.
Tripping is fun times if you dont care about the outcome imo. Brawl is generally just good for some lols, not for tournaments.
nevershootme
Smash Master
XIF's signature reminds us that we live in America and boobs are totally awesome... I wonder if they're real or not....
back to the topic... hackers need to fix the sweetspot of falcon's knee and he can move up a tier rank with the wavedash cheat...
back to the topic... hackers need to fix the sweetspot of falcon's knee and he can move up a tier rank with the wavedash cheat...
Mankosuki
Smash Champion
The Wavedash code has been updated like 4 times now so all the initial problems I originally stated are no longer around. Every character can now wave dash, even after transforming, and Nana will WD with you as well though she doesn't always keep up. I imagine it will make ICs a lot harder to contend with though. Possibly improve other characters chain throws / set ups as well.
Samus (and Link & T.Link) has been altered so that you don't get 3 air-dodge + grapples. You just get one, and fall afterwards like you would Melee. If you z-air without using air-dodge though, you still get to do it 3 times so it doesn't effect her z-air game. It does still improve your aiming/mobility using it near the ground though and you can practically keep the person from moving if you really spam it. Also, the newest version seems to have a mini grapple jump, but it's not like Melee where it was longer than up-b.
You may not be able to jump out of shine with Fox, but now you short hop and use it in the air then wave land to follow. The air one is quicker anyway, so you're basically back to the shine canceling method of Smash 64.
Aerial heavy characters make really good use of the wave landing. If you try to waveland off a platform/ledge though it will stop you at the edge. So you have to waveland, dash off, then do your attack. You get basically the same effect but you have to input a little bit more.
Diddy & ROB are able to pick up their banana/gyro by WDing over it. This speeds you up alot since you don't have to stop short, or get punished from a predicted dash attack pick up. Angled levels was also really hard to pick up a gyro before since you could only grab it if you were level or below it. Now you just WD where a dashattack would miss picking it up. You are also more mobile when charging the gyro since you can short hop, start charging (reversed if desired), then waveland.
So as you can see it changes things quite a bit. It's really interesting playing this way and highly recommend that everyone at least tries it. There's a lot of potential here.
Samus (and Link & T.Link) has been altered so that you don't get 3 air-dodge + grapples. You just get one, and fall afterwards like you would Melee. If you z-air without using air-dodge though, you still get to do it 3 times so it doesn't effect her z-air game. It does still improve your aiming/mobility using it near the ground though and you can practically keep the person from moving if you really spam it. Also, the newest version seems to have a mini grapple jump, but it's not like Melee where it was longer than up-b.
You may not be able to jump out of shine with Fox, but now you short hop and use it in the air then wave land to follow. The air one is quicker anyway, so you're basically back to the shine canceling method of Smash 64.
Aerial heavy characters make really good use of the wave landing. If you try to waveland off a platform/ledge though it will stop you at the edge. So you have to waveland, dash off, then do your attack. You get basically the same effect but you have to input a little bit more.
Diddy & ROB are able to pick up their banana/gyro by WDing over it. This speeds you up alot since you don't have to stop short, or get punished from a predicted dash attack pick up. Angled levels was also really hard to pick up a gyro before since you could only grab it if you were level or below it. Now you just WD where a dashattack would miss picking it up. You are also more mobile when charging the gyro since you can short hop, start charging (reversed if desired), then waveland.
So as you can see it changes things quite a bit. It's really interesting playing this way and highly recommend that everyone at least tries it. There's a lot of potential here.
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
Im really interested to try this at home, how do I get it working manko? Do I just need to pick up an action replay or whatever or does it involve that homebrew channel thing? (I haven't touched my wii in months so I know nothing about it)
also, does this make L-Canceling exsist?!
*edit* to nevershootme - yes those are real, you can tell this difference between real and fake very easily ecspecially when they are bouncing like that.
also, does this make L-Canceling exsist?!
*edit* to nevershootme - yes those are real, you can tell this difference between real and fake very easily ecspecially when they are bouncing like that.
nevershootme
Smash Master
you need an SD card, twilight princess, and some files
go to www.wiibrew.org. they have instructions
Mankosuki
Smash Champion
There's no Action Replay for the Wii. It's all done through the homebrew channel. It's a software mod only, so it's doable for everyone.
You can install it either by downloading the DVD iso if you have a mod chip, or the most common way of downloading a modified Twilight Princess save file to crash the game and install the channel. It works by making Eponia's name longer than is allowed so when it's referenced at the start of the game, it errors out and runs the installer. You have to make sure to get the correct modified save file though as there's different versions of Zelda. You just check the back of the disk though, like finding your version of Melee. I went the DVD iso route though, so I'm sure someone else can help you in finding the save file you need.
Once the Homebrew Channel is installed, all it does is act as a new menu to run whatever programs you have stored on your SD card. The actual program to run the code is called Ocarina or you can use its successor, GekkoOS. The read me file will tell you how to load up & use the codes.
I did a lot of random searching around for information since I had to research mod chips as well, but one site I remember that would help is WiiBrew.org You should be able to link to the rest from there.
Also, this code is for Wave Dash only, no L-Cancels.
You can install it either by downloading the DVD iso if you have a mod chip, or the most common way of downloading a modified Twilight Princess save file to crash the game and install the channel. It works by making Eponia's name longer than is allowed so when it's referenced at the start of the game, it errors out and runs the installer. You have to make sure to get the correct modified save file though as there's different versions of Zelda. You just check the back of the disk though, like finding your version of Melee. I went the DVD iso route though, so I'm sure someone else can help you in finding the save file you need.
Once the Homebrew Channel is installed, all it does is act as a new menu to run whatever programs you have stored on your SD card. The actual program to run the code is called Ocarina or you can use its successor, GekkoOS. The read me file will tell you how to load up & use the codes.
I did a lot of random searching around for information since I had to research mod chips as well, but one site I remember that would help is WiiBrew.org You should be able to link to the rest from there.
Also, this code is for Wave Dash only, no L-Cancels.
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
sweet sounds like I got a project for my next rainy day im off of work.
Yeah I was in doubt about the L-Canceling, but whoever made the youtube video mentioned something about it in the more info sectoin, which I really felt they didnt know what they were talking about in refrence to the L-Cancels. Not to mention they didnt do any of the stuff a melee vet would do with the first chances to wavedash, as in no attacks, no platform dashes or anything. not to mention they had items on lol they were just going back and forth, back and forth
I did see another video which I found through DA's site, which showed off many of the characters and actually doing attacks.
Yeah I was in doubt about the L-Canceling, but whoever made the youtube video mentioned something about it in the more info sectoin, which I really felt they didnt know what they were talking about in refrence to the L-Cancels. Not to mention they didnt do any of the stuff a melee vet would do with the first chances to wavedash, as in no attacks, no platform dashes or anything. not to mention they had items on lol they were just going back and forth, back and forth
I did see another video which I found through DA's site, which showed off many of the characters and actually doing attacks.
Mankosuki
Smash Champion
just discovered some more Samus related stuff.
The classic Grapple Cancel from Melee is back. This time though, you just air-dodge into the bomb without using grapple at all. The time that you get out of the air-dodge is the same time that the bomb goes off. So you bomb-jump and get your air dodge back again. Since you don't need the grapple, you can do it multiple times too. In fact, if you do use the grapple it won't bounce you. You can however air-dodge and grapple to land on an exploding bomb on the ground though and cancel that way.
The grapple jump isn't nearly as high as Melee's and probably shorter than up-b. You can get a lot more DI though as up-b doesn't get you very much horizontal. Conversely, grapple dropping gets you back on the ground a lot quicker than her floaty nature allows normally. Unlike Melee which had lag when landing with grapple though, there's nothing to slow you down here.
Her general movement is a lot more fluid now as well with all the wave landing. It's so easy to finish a combo with an air-dodge grapple too. This seriously makes me want to play Samus again. She's back to how she should have been in the first place. Too bad it won't be a tourney standard any time soon.
The classic Grapple Cancel from Melee is back. This time though, you just air-dodge into the bomb without using grapple at all. The time that you get out of the air-dodge is the same time that the bomb goes off. So you bomb-jump and get your air dodge back again. Since you don't need the grapple, you can do it multiple times too. In fact, if you do use the grapple it won't bounce you. You can however air-dodge and grapple to land on an exploding bomb on the ground though and cancel that way.
The grapple jump isn't nearly as high as Melee's and probably shorter than up-b. You can get a lot more DI though as up-b doesn't get you very much horizontal. Conversely, grapple dropping gets you back on the ground a lot quicker than her floaty nature allows normally. Unlike Melee which had lag when landing with grapple though, there's nothing to slow you down here.
Her general movement is a lot more fluid now as well with all the wave landing. It's so easy to finish a combo with an air-dodge grapple too. This seriously makes me want to play Samus again. She's back to how she should have been in the first place. Too bad it won't be a tourney standard any time soon.
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
I really need to get ahold of a twilight princess and try all this out, some one let me borrow their copy or some one bring in a wii with this all already done to nexus some time. maybe it will make samus not feel like shes underwater in brawl, thats the number one thing I hate about her.
Well I lied, the main thing I hate about samus in brawl is how shes the biggest ***** ever now, all amazon samus and ****. WHY make her SO big
Well I lied, the main thing I hate about samus in brawl is how shes the biggest ***** ever now, all amazon samus and ****. WHY make her SO big
Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
QFT, if it's garbage then pinch your nose
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
yeah **** having fun!
Umby
Smash Master
You all wouldn't have this problem if you all just went low tier and played Sonic.
err
Smash Journeyman
just played 8-10 matches with my brother
with wavedashing and l-cancelling on, tripping off
aside from having to remind myself to click the trigger, L-canceling is actually hella easy. I think you jsut have to hold R/L and your shield will come right up when you land, and if you're holding Z you grab immediately (read: broken)
but otherwise, it's pretty nice ****.. gdorf stomp -> sideB anyone?
how about stomp->stomp->stompstomp? yea, its there.
and Fair is back, baby!
^_^
Phantom Wings said he's done hacking the melee stuff back into brawl,, but we seriously need to beg him to put dash canceling back in there and we'll be one step closer to having melee-mobility
oh btw playing footsie with ZSS's bair was hella fun. esp with that deadly sideB!
oh and i had fun with Gdorf's jab followed by a WD .
~~my feelings, however, are that the game will be extremely broken by some of the other characters out there.. like i can imagine falco's d-throw bringing ppl to really high percentages thanks to pivot grabbing and wavedashing. . . but given that i kinda just brawl for ****s, it's been pretty **** fun. if i want something serious i'll play melee, ya know?
with wavedashing and l-cancelling on, tripping off
aside from having to remind myself to click the trigger, L-canceling is actually hella easy. I think you jsut have to hold R/L and your shield will come right up when you land, and if you're holding Z you grab immediately (read: broken)
but otherwise, it's pretty nice ****.. gdorf stomp -> sideB anyone?
how about stomp->stomp->stompstomp? yea, its there.
and Fair is back, baby!
^_^
Phantom Wings said he's done hacking the melee stuff back into brawl,, but we seriously need to beg him to put dash canceling back in there and we'll be one step closer to having melee-mobility
oh btw playing footsie with ZSS's bair was hella fun. esp with that deadly sideB!
oh and i had fun with Gdorf's jab followed by a WD .
~~my feelings, however, are that the game will be extremely broken by some of the other characters out there.. like i can imagine falco's d-throw bringing ppl to really high percentages thanks to pivot grabbing and wavedashing. . . but given that i kinda just brawl for ****s, it's been pretty **** fun. if i want something serious i'll play melee, ya know?
err
Smash Journeyman
just host hacked brawl smashfests, and the micro-tournies will follow
@ PEOPLE NEEDING TUTORIAL
I followed the video description + readme files of the associated packages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4LVKN2f1YI
(rough breakdown of what to expect)
1. get the twilight hack as save data on your SD card
2. get the homebrew channel .elf file on your SD card (store in top directory)
3. copy twilight hack save data to wii. load (appropriate) save file and walk backwards. follow installation instructions.
4. get Ocarina on your SD card.
5. use codemanager (comes with Ocarina) to bundle a code (stored in txt file) and store it on the SD card
6. with SD card and Smash in Wii, enter HomeBrew Channel and Ocarina.
Credit for the codes:
Airdodge & L-cancel : Phantom Wings
No-tripping code: Hacked by Y.S. for NTSC-J, ported by Kirby is cool. MAJOR thanks to Y.S. for his support.
i... am bad at doing the text boxes, so sorry this is getting posted in raw form.. just COPY the following into a .txt file (DONT REMOVE THAT TOP LINE, IT NEEDS THE GAME ID I THINK) and open it up with codemanager (you'll know what i'm talking about when you get there):
RSBE01
Smash Bros Brawl (US)
Melee Airdodge 2.1
42000000 80000000
80000000 80623320
80000001 00000000
60000006 00000000
80000002 806212BC
4A001000 00000000
36000024 00000007
92210003 00000024
86100003 000001C4
88000002 00000003
4A001002 00000000
92210002 00000000
4A001002 00000000
DE000000 80008180
92210003 00000010
92210004 00000014
86A00003 40000000
86A00004 40000000
60000003 00000001
4A001000 00000000
4A101001 00000000
36000000 00000032
58010000 00000004
DE000000 80008180
58010000 00000060
92210006 0000007C
92210007 00000014
58010000 00000088
92210008 00000058
92210009 00000064
4A001006 00000000
30000038 00000021
4A001007 00000000
36000040 41C00000
4A001006 00000000
58010000 0000002C
58010000 00000004
100000E4 00000001
1000010C 00000001
10000120 00000001
10000134 00000001
10000170 00000001
4A001008 00000000
1400000C 3E300000
4A001007 00000000
36000041 41000000
4A001008 00000000
94210004 0000000C
4A001009 00000000
94210003 00000008
4A001007 00000000
34000041 41000000
4A001009 00000000
14000008 00000000
4A001007 00000000
34000041 41000000
9001000A 00000040
4A000000 805A0100
92210005 00000000
86A00005 3FC00000
8891000A 00000005
E2000002 00000000
4A001006 00000000
32000038 00000021
32000038 0000007F
32000038 00000080
32000038 00000083
58010000 0000002C
58010000 00000004
100000E4 00000000
1000010C 00000000
10000120 00000000
10000134 00000000
10000170 00000000
E2000004 00000000
80100001 00000008
62000000 00000001
E200000F 00000000
80000001 00000000
80100000 00000244
62000000 00000000
C27816DC 00000004
8963FFFC 2C0B0001
40820008 48000010
39600000 9963FFFC
98030000 00000000
E0000000 80008000
<!--[!include:Melee Airdodge]-->
No Tripping!
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000
<!--[!include:No Tripping]-->
L-Canceling
80000000 80623320
80000001 00000000
60000006 00000000
60000003 00000001
4A001000 00000000
4A101001 00000000
36000000 00000032
58010000 00000004
DE000000 80008180
58010000 00000060
DE000000 80008180
92210002 0000007C
58010000 0000007C
58010000 0000002C
92210003 00000004
4A001002 00000000
34000038 00000015
36000038 00000019
4A001003 00000000
10000084 00000080
E2000002 00000000
80100001 00000008
62000000 00000001
E2000003 00000000
80000001 00000000
80100000 00000244
62000000 00000000
E0000000 80008000
<!--[!include:Lag-Cancelling]-->
nevershootme
Smash Master
do they have a video of the l-cancel hack working? cuz i would be convinced enough if we see both link's d-air l-canceled
nicaboy
Smash Champion
i dont see the big deal who cares
Mankosuki
Smash Champion
the L-cancel one needs to be worked on though. It doesn't just reduce the lag, it removes it completely. I don't think anyone wants that.
The Executive
Smash Lord
You should be deducted one post. Do not come into a thread just to make a generic apathetic statement. If you don't like hacks, don't use them.
Back on topic, the wavedashing looks incredible, not quite as functional but still incredible. I'll proably keep Brawl airdodge on (or is that needed to be disabled for WDing?)
Kamano
Smash Journeyman
To WD you need the melee airdodge. The momentum from the directional dodge is what causes you to slide when you hit the ground with it. I suppose it's possible if you did some tweaking to the code to allow for multiple directional dodges, but that would make things pretty messy in terms of general game flow.
The Executive
Smash Lord
Gotcha. Thanks.
MusicalMike
Needs to try harder
Seriously this man won the thread. Don't modify MY game just because YOU don't like how it is. If you want to wavedash, please play melee.
Kamano
Smash Journeyman
10thismans
Pritch
Smash Lord
First of all, ginger =/= man. Second of all, it's not YOUR game, and people can play it how they **** well please. Consider this a subset of casual players.
I mean, I don't even have a wii, but this idea of brawl players freaking out because the people who didn't like brawl and weren't playing it anyways are now playing something that looks like brawl but is a functionally different game just confuses me. I mean, what does it really change for you?
I mean, I don't even have a wii, but this idea of brawl players freaking out because the people who didn't like brawl and weren't playing it anyways are now playing something that looks like brawl but is a functionally different game just confuses me. I mean, what does it really change for you?
I dunno, smash64 z-canceling worked basically the same way. Admittedly there were some pretty busted combos in that game, but I'd think that was at least as much a product of the lack of DI as anything else.
The Executive
Smash Lord
"Your" game? Who ever said anything about modifying your Wii or your copy of Brawl? If you're going to pitch a fit about hacks then you should also be condemning every other Game Genie, Codebreaker, Action Replay, and any other cheat/modification devices in the history of video games for the same reasons. While we're at it, ban modchips, Freeloaders, and all other hardware modifications because that's not how the manufacturer designed it. In fact, no one should ever modify anything ever again because someone will inevitably dislike it.
Frames
DI
lcancel is awesomeeeee
i actually am starting to enjoy this game now
i actually am starting to enjoy this game now
This post won the thread easily.
I cant wait to try this out, GGs to the inventer.
~AFro at Equi's house.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
people on the internet are funny plz tell me where do you get off saying i dont like hacks. really find me somewhere in this thread saying i dont like hacks. you sir can stfu wtf i can say post mumble etc whatever the **** i want. and what if i get deducted a post omg im so hurt anyway the hack is great honestlt though i dont care its just for kicks. odds are they wont use this except for kicks. this is not gonna be use in a tournament so ya.. i never said anything bad about thisi just said who cares.
ps i really dont have anything against you. your probably a good guy/girl but really what you said to me is out of place homei. you made such a bold statement too a sentence of what i said
then telling me what to do on the internet
The Executive
Smash Lord
Apologies. I automatically jump on one-line, seemingly non-contributive posts waaaaaaaaay too often. That happens when all you do on SWF is idle around the Pool Room. (or GBD, if I'm feeling brave)
anyway the hack is great honestlt though i dont care its just for kicks. odds are they wont use this except for kicks. this is not gonna be use in a tournament so ya.. i never said anything bad about thisi just said who cares.
ps i really dont have anything against you. your probably a good guy/girlbut really what you said to me is out of place homei. you made such a bold statement too a sentence of what i said
It's been a long week at uni, I need a vacation.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
ok its cools i guess i can cool down too i didnt need to jump like that this is why i like smashers we get things resolved . like i said your probably i cool GUY so w/e no big deal. also you seem very intellectual the executive huh? fits you man
The Executive
Smash Lord
I do way too much thinking for my own good, save when it comes to college at which point I try and get by with an A on minimal effort. So far it has an 80% success rate.ok its cools i guess i can cool down too i didnt need to jump like that this is why i like smashers we get things resolved . like i said your probably i cool GUY so w/e no big deal. also you seem very intellectual the executive huh? fits you man
Honestly, the screenname is an old inside joke no one gets and I wanted to change it but apparently they don't do that anymore. Ah well.
Just a tip: your location says "in my girl's friend bed"; is that a typo or an inside joke?
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don't bring this topic in here. on this site. ever. you're asking for a ban.