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Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 So now that we know MLG hosts ridiculous smash tournaments...

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What about fighting ICs on FD? That's a pretty blatant disadvantage.

Guess what? In the 9-starter system, we have DOUBLE the amount of strikes. USE THEM!
Double amount of stages to add worse stages and make me fight on a stage that is crapp? Thanks I appreciate that. As for fighting IC on FD i've never done that before so I really wouldn't know I'd strike the stage then ban. I've seen IC's lose on FD though it's by no way an auto win for them.

Except you are ignoring the context of the argument entirely.
This is in regards to stage striking.
You remove stages you're bad on.
He removes stages he is bad on.
You eventually reach a stage that is as close to "neutral" as you can get.
Where neither character gets boosted or suffers a disadvantage.
Now of course it is impossible to be completely neutral, but the attempt is to adhere to it as closely as possible.
Not start off on a stage you like.



Your argument goes both ways.
How is Frigate bad for Peach?
Or Delfino for Sonic?
Depending on the MU I can not start on a stage that will be fair for me and not influence the MU. Since a lot of MU's are stage dependent increasing the likely hood of me not going to a stage that would least influence the MU is silly.

I don't see how peach can recover on that right side. Her Up B lags and there's no ledge. A simply error can lead to her death like air dodging past the plat form.

I don't know if Frigate is good or bad for sonic. He's one of the few characters that I know very little about I just know that sonic is bad and sonic mains should feel bad for playing him.
 

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Double amount of stages to add worse stages and make me fight on a stage that is crapp? Thanks I appreciate that. As for fighting IC on FD i've never done that before so I really wouldn't know I'd strike the stage then ban. I've seen IC's lose on FD though it's by no way an auto win for them.
You are still completely missing the point, so this is the last time I'm going to explain it.

The fact that the stages added are poor for some characters and not for others is INTENTIONAL. We add additional stages, but with them comes the ability to strike according to your PREFERENCES, not just, "Oh, I have to strike those two or I'll get *****."

And if you've ever seen ICs lose on FD, they were either way worse than their opponents, or had no idea how to chaingrab.
 

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You are still completely missing the point, so this is the last time I'm going to explain it.

The fact that the stages added are poor for some characters and not for others is INTENTIONAL. We add additional stages, but with them comes the ability to strike according to your PREFERENCES, not just, "Oh, I have to strike those two or I'll get *****."

And if you've ever seen ICs lose on FD, they were either way worse than their opponents, or had no idea how to chaingrab.
/sigh. There's no point in continuing with you. If you're going to intentionally sabotage characters it seems pointless. Let the metagame fix it self. If it can start handing out bans.
 
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And you know why? Because the community will abruptly realize that just because MLG is behind the ruleset doesn't mean it's good. The old ruleset will return as strong as before, just because it's wanted by the majority. No one is willing to change because they are afraid of a sudden lack of attendance (and they should be), but the name of MLG is powerful enough to keep a steady attendance for a good year or so until people are drained of exhaustion from playing on these stages.

I don't know why Overswarm was ever given this much power to have so many people meatriding him. He may have a degree in writing, but.. come on.

It's overswarm, lol. The name wouldn't make anyone understand anything here other than God, but outside of these forums he's mocked.

You can do anything on a video game forum with a degree in writing.
So what's the solution?

KEEP THE STAGE LIST. Keep it, test it with TVs that aren't laggy and regional play and see if we still get results like this. If we do, we've found a really ****ing good stage list!

LMFAO at DIDDY/FALCO/IC'S ALWAYS START ON A GOOD STAGE ALWAYS

don't wanna argue because 9 stage starter system is beneficial to me anyway but cmon son, you being ********
In 5-stage? Yes, they do. They start on BF, FD, or SV. Those are all good stages for them.

Haha. Don't know why everyones hating on ADHD. I'm entertained by his comments.
He's stupid. And arrogant.

gonna agree with adhd and say MLG is not an accurate representation because of the tv lag. also MLG is the very first series of national tournaments to use this ruleset, so obviously we can expect changes in results from how they are now if this ruleset continues to be used as players become used to it/learn how to abuse it
Use it in other nationals then.

it's funny that you'd bring up politics because this country is being ruined. read a book watch glenn beck and get a clue.
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watch glenn beck and get a clue.
This is like saying "read Michael Moore, watch Fahrenheit 9/11, and get a clue". :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Oh my ****ing god you are thick.

your post is very supportive of my idea that those who want an expansive list of starter stages just want it so MK will dominate and then a ban will be justified
The system works great for everyone except MK. Solution? Adopt it to MK? **** no. And we haven't seen MK dominance either!

Nope, I have no interest in CA or any of their socialist practices.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

BEYOND THICK. A country is socialist because it has a very functional socialist medical system? No wonder america is so ****ed.

on topic. liberal stage list sucks.
Dude, we've ***** you in debate. Like, all 3 holes stuffed with 2 10-inch ***** each. Back up your statement or back up your *** right out of the topic.

I don't see how you can be a Marth main and advocate one of his worst stages as a starter.
Because we don't suffer from crippling character bias.

Where is the fair play at? If it's a starter and the stage adversely effect my character then why should it even be a starter?
... Not gonna bother.

TL;DR: Almostlegendary is a ****ing ******. And an ignorant neoconservative that puts Palin to shame.
 

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plz stop quoting me I don't want to respond you guys anymore. There's also a difference from a character bias and my character getting ****ed. Don't makes rules to intentionally make characters worse which is what you guys are doing and claim it's to make "fair play".
 

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plz stop quoting me I don't want to respond you guys anymore. There's also a difference from a character bias and my character getting ****ed. Don't makes rules to intentionally make characters worse which is what you guys are doing and claim it's to make "fair play".
You sir, for the past few pages, just got MULTIFISTED. I knew your idiocy and bias would shine through eventually. ;)

On topic: I also agree with Frigate replacing Delfino as a good idea for the reasons already listed.
 

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Double amount of stages to add worse stages and make me fight on a stage that is crapp? Thanks I appreciate that. As for fighting IC on FD i've never done that before so I really wouldn't know I'd strike the stage then ban. I've seen IC's lose on FD though it's by no way an auto win for them.
it isn't that its auto-win.


It is not about the extent to which they gain an advantage but the fact they gain a stage on which they do well on as a default stage
understand?
Big deal if you end up ona stage you don't like, that is the point of stage striking.
TO keep you from ending up ona stage that helps your character and opponents character.





Depending on the MU I can not start on a stage that will be fair for me and not influence the MU. Since a lot of MU's are stage dependent increasing the likely hood of me not going to a stage that would least influence the MU is silly.
How is it decreasing?
You really are not listening to the fact that this is within the context of stage striking.
So it would be dependent on whom you are fighting as well.



I don't see how peach can recover on that right side. Her Up B lags and there's no ledge. A simply error can lead to her death like air dodging past the plat form.
When hit, hold up.
Same for everyone else, you really shouldn't be recovering low.


I don't know if Frigate is good or bad for sonic. He's one of the few characters that I know very little about I just know that sonic is bad and sonic mains should feel bad for playing him.
It's a decent stage and besides, you play a fat character who kills with farts.
I don't think you should be commenting on whom plays whom.
Even more so since that character does well against yours.
 

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9 State Starter right?

Final Destination
Battlefield
Halberd
Lylat
Pokemon Stadium 1
Port Town Aero Dive
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Pirate Ship

Explanations on iffy Stages
Pirate Ship - The water doesn't cripple many people the downside is there mostly be star KOs and horizontal kills
Port Town Aero Dive - No ledges so it doesn't really favor anyone unless you are MK,Kirby,DDD, ROB


Uhh I think I could elaborate more if I got some disagreements or something like that.
AL you dont understand concept that there always gonna be stages where certain characters excel and other don't. Using your logic the stage list would like one or two stages because so and so character does bad on this and this one has a huge adv. Look at the whole picture. If it bothers you that much we have things called striking and banning.
 

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I understand that one character will out shine another character on a stage that's not the problem I have. I have a problem where their making rules to intentiolly sabotage characters by increasing stage list. Now their talking about a stage that just ***** people recoveries who don't have recoveries like MK, Pitt and RoB. When does it end ? Seriously I don't see the big deal about fighting Diddy IC or Falco on BF or SV. whatever i need to stop this is annoying

@ KBizzle with a name like that I wouldn't talk about anyones level of intelligence.
 

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9 State Starter right?

Final Destination
Battlefield
Halberd
Lylat
Pokemon Stadium 1
Frigate Orpheon
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Castle Siege

Explanations on iffy Stages
Pirate Ship - The water doesn't cripple many people the downside is there mostly be star KOs and horizontal kills
Port Town Aero Dive - No ledges so it doesn't really favor anyone unless you are MK,Kirby,DDD, ROB


Uhh I think I could elaborate more if I got some disagreements or something like that.
AL you dont understand concept that there always gonna be stages where certain characters excel and other don't. Using your logic the stage list would like one or two stages because so and so character does bad on this and this one has a huge adv. Look at the whole picture. If it bothers you that much we have things called striking and banning.
I removed port town.
Its a very very iffy stage.
I also replaced Pirate with CS.
 

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@ KBizzle with a name like that I wouldn't talk about anyones level of intelligence.
Lol crafty fishing attempt there, very original. I hereby dub you sir AlmostLegit...you may rise as soon as your grammatical skill surpasses that of a 5 year old.

On topic: Port Town is a terrible stage. Even though the obstacles are relatively easy to predict, the knockback is just too much for me to believe it is legal material.
 

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Lol crafty fishing attempt there, very original. I hereby dub you sir AlmostLegit...you may rise as soon as your grammatical skill surpasses that of a 5 year old.

On topic: Port Town is a terrible stage. Even though the obstacles are relatively easy to predict, the knockback is just too much for me to believe it is legal material.
Good point.

I removed port town.
Its a very very iffy stage.
I also replaced Pirate with CS.
Hmm why CS instead?
 

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Hmm why CS instead?
Pirate Ship is gay.

Okay on a serious note.
Primarily because pirate ship is similar to that of Aero Port Town.
Obstacles are easy to see but very punishing if they hit (though none of them kill till past 100).
Pirate ship is also more dynamic in the way the stage changes which can create a greater influence.
On the other hand, while Castle Siege also has these changes, they come in a set order, in a set amount of time.
It also does not interact with the player as Pirate Ship does.

Even though it does change, you know what to expect and can thus, plan what to do once the change occurs.
 
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9 State Starter right?

Final Destination
Battlefield
Halberd
Lylat
Pokemon Stadium 1
Port Town Aero Dive
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Pirate Ship

Explanations on iffy Stages
Pirate Ship - The water doesn't cripple many people the downside is there mostly be star KOs and horizontal kills
Port Town Aero Dive - No ledges so it doesn't really favor anyone unless you are MK,Kirby,DDD, ROB


Uhh I think I could elaborate more if I got some disagreements or something like that.
AL you dont understand concept that there always gonna be stages where certain characters excel and other don't. Using your logic the stage list would like one or two stages because so and so character does bad on this and this one has a huge adv. Look at the whole picture. If it bothers you that much we have things called striking and banning.
Pirate ship is banned for a reason. It's obscenely good for anyone with a good spike and who can water camp (G&W, Ike, TL, Marth all come to mind). It's banned for a reason.
PTAD should be a counterpick. As a starter, it's just too polarizing against characters with bad recoveries. Also, it still has FD which is a terrible starter.

Actually, a semi-reasonable 7-stage list:

Battlefield
Halberd
Lylat
Pokemon Stadium 1
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Castle Siege

Still feels worse than a 9-starter list, but...

Also, AlmostLessthanawful, it's less to do with "is it truly necessary" and more to do with "is it nice". i cud rite all my stuff liek dis but iz it nice to reed or wud u h8t reeding it?
 

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sweet another BBR ****
Lol, aren't they all the same?

BBR members can only type well. Nothing more.

Pikachu gets ***-***** by metaknight, they'll learn to abuse the stage against him later.. peach on green greens wouldn't be able to do anything once he presses B, I don't see how it changes anything.
 

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Yes, they do use the same TVs for all set ups. They're not some garbage monthly that borrows set ups from random people. >_<

Look up the Viewsonic TVs that MLG uses. I don't feel like doing that again. And until you do that, no one has proof that they lag either.


Let's not get started with the whole "Guilty until proven innocent" shtick okay?
 

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Lol crafty fishing attempt there, very original. I hereby dub you sir AlmostLegit...you may rise as soon as your grammatical skill surpasses that of a 5 year old.

On topic: Port Town is a terrible stage. Even though the obstacles are relatively easy to predict, the knockback is just too much for me to believe it is legal material.
lol @ AlMoStLeGeNdArY bashing your name

Pirate Ship is gay.

Okay on a serious note.
Primarily because pirate ship is similar to that of Aero Port Town.
Obstacles are easy to see but very punishing if they hit (though none of them kill till past 100).
Pirate ship is also more dynamic in the way the stage changes which can create a greater influence.
On the other hand, while Castle Siege also has these changes, they come in a set order, in a set amount of time.
It also does not interact with the player as Pirate Ship does.

Even though it does change, you know what to expect and can thus, plan what to do once the change occurs.
Why are you guys so scared of stage interaction? It's the more passive features of these stages that would lead me to ban them - lack of ledges on PTAD, and water on PS. The cars and bombs are not really legitimate reasons to ban these stages, since both stages have safe zones that will let you avoid these hazards.
 

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Wait wait wait wait WAIT.

The two people we're arguing against happen to be a junior in high school and some guy from New Jersey that watches Glenn Beck?


Too easy, not worth my time.

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Wait wait wait wait WAIT.

The two people we're arguing against happen to be a junior in high school and some guy from New Jersey that watches Glenn Beck?


Too easy, not worth my time.

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Yeah, we got this one O-man. We'll call you if anone who actually matters shows up and presents arguments that mean anything worthwhile.

EDIT: ADHD, you were asked for what, in your opinion, is a starter stage. And then you gave 5 stages with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever. Why do you think that those 5 stages are starters?
 

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I agree with Port Town and Pirate Ships as counterpicks, but not in a starter stage list. We want to balance the stages, not polarize them completely. If those two stages were on the list, they'd get striked almost every time. They're just too disruptive to be starters, and so they belong on counter.

What ShadowLink suggested is what I use at the biweeklies that I co-host, and it has worked great thus far.
 

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Yeah, we got this one O-man. We'll call you if anone who actually matters shows up and presents arguments that mean anything worthwhile.

EDIT: ADHD, you were asked for what, in your opinion, is a starter stage. And then you gave 5 stages with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever. Why do you think that those 5 stages are starters?
I wish you'd realize that essentially everybody ignores your posts.

Why are you posting here, anyways? get back to properly balancing Brawl-, because as of now you've done an asstastic job.
 

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Lol, aren't they all the same?

BBR members can only type well. Nothing more.

Pikachu gets ***-***** by metaknight, they'll learn to abuse the stage against him later.. peach on green greens wouldn't be able to do anything once he presses B, I don't see how it changes anything.
They are what I don't get is if 9 stage starter are so grand and great how come the BBR didn't have 9 as it's recommend stage list. Instead of just sucking off what mLG says the BBR should asking stick to their guns about their stage list and their rules. Also remove the MW people.
 
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I wish you'd realize that essentially everybody ignores your posts.

Why are you posting here, anyways? get back to properly balancing Brawl-, because as of now you've done an asstastic job.
We're actually working on that right now. But I'm not exactly good at balancing when all I have to go by is testimony. So I take the backseat on that ****.

Also, **** you. If I have valid points in an argument, why the hell shouldn't I state them?

EDIT: @AlmostLegallyretarded: The problem is, you guys have given us absolutely no reason whatsoever to not think that this is superior beyond "hurr durr don't nerf diddy".
 

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They are what I don't get is if 9 stage starter are so grand and great how come the BBR didn't have 9 as it's recommend stage list. Instead of just sucking off what mLG says the BBR should asking stick to their guns about their stage list and their rules. Also remove the MW people.
Lol u mad? MW is best, we put your sister to the test. <3

Have you ever considered the possibility that the 9 starter list was indeed not their initial intent but they may simply be going off of the results displayed at MLG under said stagelist and decided it as a possible route to further explore?

The point is that Results/Data > Talk. Are you able to comprehend this, AlmostLactatingInYourPants?
 

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Lol u mad? MW is best, we put your sister to the test. <3

Have you ever considered the possibility that the 9 starter list was indeed not their initial intent but they may simply be going off of the results displayed at MLG under said stagelist and decided it is a possible route to take?

The point is that Results/Data > Talk. Are you able to comprehend this?
Show me the data on how often the new CPs were chosen, by whom, and what characters people were playing.

I guarantee the number of actual data points is so small as to be statistically useless. I'd advise you don't talk about data, because it certainly isn't going to help you right now.
 

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Show me the data on how often the new CPs were chosen, by whom, and what characters people were playing.

I guarantee the number of actual data points is so small as to be statistically useless. I'd advise you don't talk about data, because it certainly isn't going to help you right now.
Fair enough. Perhaps calling it "data" at this point is a bit of a stretch, but all the more reason to further explore it all and test the results on a consistent basis to see what we get. It couldn't hurt right?
 

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Lol u mad? MW is best, we put your sister to the test. <3

Have you ever considered the possibility that the 9 starter list was indeed not their initial intent but they may simply be going off of the results displayed at MLG under said stagelist and decided it as a possible route to further explore?

The point is that Results/Data > Talk. Are you able to comprehend this, AlmostLactatingInYourPants?
ARe you white or black ? I'm leaning towards white.
 

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ARe you white or black ? I'm leaning towards white.
...what? The grammatical failure, it burns my eyes. T.T

I'm Puerto Rican, Ponchito chiquito.

@BPC- True, but I'm trying to tone it down for him to understand what I mean, as condescending as that sounds. Poor guy.
 

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Actually, KB, I think the correct thing would be "arguments > ad hominems and other rhetoric". Where's your argument against the 9-stage list?
The two stages past the 7-stage starter list don't make any other characters viable and instead aid in the viability of characters we're not trying to buff (Even though I disagree completely with inhibiting / boosting specific characters with the stagelist sans MK, but whatever).

I think the best part about this entire argument is that because we have terrible ways of determining matchups everybody will:

- have a different opinion on which two stages I'm referring to, and
- disagree about which characters are good or better on specific stages
 

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If you refuse to show up to a MAJOR, SPONSORED TOURNAMENT because of a single stage you could either take the time and effort to learn and understand, or simply ban...you're stubborn.
I'm sorry. That's all it is.

Also hi Thio and BPC :V
 
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